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(Sorry, wrong thread.)

(I'd better pretend to have a relevant anecdote.)

For fifteen years, I was driving home from work down Wilshire through Beverly Hills between 1:00am and dawn. Little white guy going grey, toddling along in a number of not-flashy cars. I probably got pulled over about six or eight occasions... Not for doing anything wrong, but just because they wanted to be sure I wasn't casing out Rodeo Drive, Gucci or whatever. (And I used to get hit on, hooker-style, by a gorgeous black woman in some kind of Lexus… After the third time, I figured out that it wasn't that I was lonely-looking, she was just doing shallow undercover duty for the BHPD.)

So that was about six pull-overs, always concluded in thirty seconds or a minute… Sober, license and paperwork, 'bye now.

But I saw dozens of black and Hispanic guys getting pulled over. And always with flashing lights and a backup cruiser a few feet away, and the 'investigations' seemed to be going on for quite awhile.

That tram is too cute.

I used to pay protection to the Philadelphia police. That is, various police organizations would call me up for money destined to go to widows and orphans of deceased officers, and it sounded good to me, and then I got stickers in my mail. They came with a note saying the stickers wouldn't get me out of tickets. But the stickers totally got me out of tickets.

And this means that your being killed for taking the wrong exit in any of a dozen or so American cities is completely justified?

How do you propose stopping blacks from killing over 93% of all blacks murdered?

Blaming yourself, in some witless application of mirror-neuron sadness expressing itself as guilt?

Who can possibly believe that if they just sacrifice more, it will magically elevate others?

Right in front of you, you also have a culture traveling a thousand miles and jumping a border to get to a job another culture won't take a bus to - they just blame you.

And you believe them.

Realize the hoax that has been sold to you every day: the endless kowtowing, the lowering of standards, the acceptance of obscenity and ignorance as a cultural virtue.

The high performers near you are nowhere near the mindless thugs also near you, and until somebody is honest about that, a) thugs have your permission to do anything they want, and b) others in society cannot be held to any standards, either.

> And you believe them.

We're just sheeple, Radwaste.

Try being white in parts of the south. I know a doctor who emigrated from India who then moved to Texas from Louisiana for exactly this reason. Though he faced discrimination from both whites and blacks.

For a second observation, most of these stories I hear about driving while black come from areas where the Democrat party has ruled for generations.

Driving while White. In my 20's I got pulled over every week and got a ticket every month or so. Why, because I was white male in a sports car. Got pulled over in a parking lot looking for a parking place, had my vehicle searched. I moved away and the same thing happened.

Does the same thing happen to blacks, sure, and depending on the area probably worse. What I've found are some places are worse than others, some cops are worse than others. I moved around a lot and the place I'm in now only pulls me over when I'm actually speeding.

The point? If you don't like it there, move. You will eventually find a place that is tolerable, at least until it turns blue.

Yea, law enforcement profiles. So does Israeli airport security that Amy so badly wants us to emulate.

The only thing worse than profiling is non discriminately checking everyone, which requires an even more massive bureaucracy that never goes away, (witness the TSA)

Driving while White. In my 20's I got pulled over every week and got a ticket every month or so. Why, because I was white male in a sports car. Got pulled over in a parking lot looking for a parking place, had my vehicle searched. I moved away and the same thing happened.

Does the same thing happen to blacks, sure, and depending on the area probably worse. What I've found are some places are worse than others, some cops are worse than others. I moved around a lot and the place I'm in now only pulls me over when I'm actually speeding.

The point? If you don't like it there, move. You will eventually find a place that is tolerable, at least until it turns blue.

“Try being white in parts of the south. I know a doctor who emigrated from India who then moved to Texas from Louisiana for exactly this reason. Though he faced discrimination from both whites and blacks.”

I have a friend, now retired, who was once the head of the petroleum engineering department at a large university. He had a couple of Indian PHD students who worked with him. One treated the other one just horribly, and had to be removed from any supervision.
The problem? The senior one was a Brahmin. The other student was a much lower caste.

At one point I dated a black man who is both wealthy and famous. He drove a fancy, exotic British car and lived in a fancy place in LA. He was stopped countless times by police, the implication being he'd stolen his car.

How much of that story is about things no longer done?

Before the practice was labelled "profiling" and banned, the Florida Highway Patrol used to randomly stop expensive imported cars being driven by young black men heading north on I-95. When asked why they did it, on captain said, "it works."

95 was a major smuggling route from Miami. Young gang members would move drugs north, usually in stolen flashy cars. I always wondered why the drug smugglers didn't pay some old white couple with a Buick to drive their drugs to Jacksonville.

But the stickers totally got me out of tickets. ~ NicoleK at June 12, 2020 4:22 AM

I once knew a woman whose father was an NIS* investigator. He gave her a medallion to put on her license plate. Whenever she got pulled over, the officer would ask where she got the medallion. She'd tell them she got it from her father and they'd send her on her way.

Only cops and immediate family members were supposed to have the medallion. The sticker meant you gave money, but the medallion meant you were one of them.

* NIS became NCIS in 1992.

95 was a major smuggling route from Miami. Young gang members would move drugs north, usually in stolen flashy cars. I always wondered why the drug smugglers didn't pay some old white couple with a Buick to drive their drugs to Jacksonville.

Conan the Grammarian at June 12, 2020 7:55 AM

The smart ones, who maintain a low profile, are never caught.

My father always told me, the best way to stay alive is to blend in. Don’t drive a red sports car or hot Mercedes. Don’t wear flashy clothes or jewelry.
I know a lot of millionaires. They are driving Ford F-150s, and subaru outbacks, not flashy foreign sports cars, and no diamond rings on their pinkies, or gold chains around their necks or Rolexes. Wearing Apple watches or fit bits for the most part.

Do not call attention to yourself. If the cops notice you, so do the criminals.

Read about the sad case of Ennis Cosby.

Is there discrimination? Yes, But less than the activists think / claim. Because some is how people behave.
Do Black men get pulled over more? Yes, but they also get hit disproportionately more with red light cameras, And speed cameras, so some is how people drive.
It is also visible in sentencing and who is shot or killed by police.
Likewise Men get pulled over , shot by police, and longer sentences than women. The difference between men and women is much larger than between black and white. With sentencing the numbers I had seen were about 25% different by race. But 300% different by sex. Some is sexism some is how men/ women act. But no one is marching or rioting for men.

It's only the 90% of black men, of whom the police assumptions are true, that ruin things for everyone else.

The protesters need to take their beef to them.

From parenting educator/author Rosalind Wiseman, in 2007:

"Let me give you a concrete example. If you're a white parent of a teenage son who drives, have you ever sat down with him and told him what he should and shouldn't do when pulled over by a police officer? Probably not. In contrast, every black parent with whom I've spoken—no matter their socioeconomic status—carries the fear that the police will assume the worst about his or her child and act accordingly. In fact, it's common for black organizations to sponsor programs called 'Driving While Black' for their sons and daughters for just this reason. Black parents teach their sons to immediately place their hands on the steering wheel so the police won't assume they have a gun."

Note to any knee-jerkers - Wiseman said "probably."

And I'm reasonably sure MY mother didn't give any such speech to my brother when he started to drive. Granted, she wasn't exactly a hands-on mother in the first place; she didn't talk to us about things like politics or religion either. (She was very big on manners, though.)

How does one profile your race in the middle of night? that said, many black people who attain a reliable income of adequate amounts buy nice cars. Pulling those people is dumb. Very dumb. Run the plate if you have to, and if it isn't wanted for anything, don't even bother stopping them.

On the other hand, I live in a town with a historically black university. More than a few of those kids are driving a car provided by mom or dad. And some of them are driving like complete morons. I don't want to hear one damn word about you getting pulled for DWB when in reality you were speeding, weaving in and around traffic and treating traffic laws as suggestions.

Nice try Amy, but we're gonna need the name of the guy you dated.

Jk (but seriously)

And I'm reasonably sure MY mother didn't give any such speech to my brother when he started to drive. Granted, she wasn't exactly a hands-on mother in the first place; she didn't talk to us about things like politics or religion either. (She was very big on manners, though.)

Lenona at June 12, 2020 11:20 AM

Ok, so no dad. Figured as much.

I told both my children *exactly*what to do when stopped by the police.

Also first moving violation you pay yourself. Second ticket lose the use of the car until you are 21 and buy your own vehicle

If you're a white parent of a teenage son who drives, have you ever sat down with him and told him what he should and shouldn't do when pulled over by a police officer?

My parents did. They advised us to be polite and comply with the police commands if we're ever pulled over. Don't get arrested for being obnoxious. Any dispute of the ticket can be done in court.

The senior one was a Brahmin.

My department accepted an Indian student I thought might have been a Brahmin. He would ask me to do something and expect me to drop everything I was doing to work on his problem. That didn't go over very well. He left after getting a master's degree, but I don't think any one missed him.

Let's just say we had a good chuckle two years later when he applied to get into our phd program.

Do not call attention to yourself.

That there is all kinds of wisdom. In captivity, cockatiels have variety of color mutations. But in the wild, those mutations don't survive because they stand out and a predator can fixate on the ones that are different.

“If you're a white parent of a teenage son who drives, have you ever sat down with him and told him what he should and shouldn't do when pulled over by a police officer?”

My parents and other mentors did, and I’m a white female. I don’t have any boys but we’ll be having the same talk with our girls. We have already discussed how to talk to and interact with police, the principal, and other authorities in regular life. (Our youngest is a foster child for now, so we have regular interaction with CPS.)

On not calling attention to yourself...
One of our (now retired) law enforcement buddies told us that they learn at the academy that the more bumper stickers you have, the more likely you are to have drugs in your car.

I don’t even like to have a car with a color on it. My last two vehicles have been black suburbans. The two before that were silver SUVs. The next one I get will probably be a white or silver SUV/Crossover/wagon. No bumper stickers! I don’t want anything on my car that makes it easily identifiable.

The local cops love to ticket my husband. (I’m a much better driver, so they never have an excuse to pull me over.) They recognize his truck because of his stupid political stickers.

To all of you who're saying you have kids.

This is the essential guide to talking to the police.

It is a fast moving, digestible presentation… Listen and understand the *simple* power of each item he discusses.

You should hear the first twenty seconds of the second guy, too.

Amy posted this years ago: There's nothing new under the sun.

I have been observing cars around me to see if I can identify who is driving. From behind 0% success. Cars going the other way most no success esp with tinted windows. How can you profile if you can't see the person?

In certain parts of town, someone driving crazy is probably black, male, and high. Good odds. To the point above, car thieves never take a camry.

The essential guide to talking to the police

But they'll arrest you if you refuse to answer their questions or give them the information they want. Then they'll tell you you have the right to remain silent and anything you say will be used against you.

The essential guide to talking to the police

But they'll arrest you if you refuse to answer their questions or give them the information they want. Then they'll tell you you have the right to remain silent and anything you say will be used against you.

Ken R at June 12, 2020 2:22 PM

Watch the video

The first and only words out of your mouth after, “Am I free to go?” is “I want an attorney”. End of discussion.

There are far worse things than being arrested. And they can’t hold you for long without charging you.

So, shut up. It is in your best interest.

Here are some interesting comments by a police chief of Milwaukee responding to a lawsuit by the ACLU.

"You absolutely cannot discuss or understand the impact of police strategies and tactics if you refuse to acknowledge the hyper-victimization of our disadvantaged communities of color inhabiting the cities of America."

"It is morally and intellectually dishonest and it’s a form of a lie to try and disentangle those two essential conversations."

"At no community neighborhood meeting... in any neighborhood, but most particularly our most challenged neighborhoods, have they ever asked for less policing... The people that actually live in the neighborhoods punctuated by gunfire and non-fatal shootings every night of the week demand effective and responsive policing."

"One of the ways we try to figure out where to deploy our resources are where crime and violence are the highest. Why? Because people need to be protected there."

"We looked at the rate per 100,000 of each of our groups… and their rate of victimization, because this is data the police department is obligated to respond to. The homicide rate per one hundred thousand for Caucasians was 4.6. For African Americans and Latinos, it was 64. For non-fatal shootings for Caucasians, it was 5.7. For Blacks and Latinos, it was 274. The aggravated assault rate for Whites was 307. For African Americans and Latinos, it was 1,206."

"Now what is my moral obligation in light of those statistics? To carefully deploy my department so it doesn’t get sued? To carefully make sure that every neighborhood gets precisely the same dose of policing regardless of the body count? The answer is no."

"Disparity is not the same as bias. The significant disparities in victimization don’t prove bias on the part of violent criminals. And the disparities in the application of police tactics are driven by the gross disparities in the crime victimization in this community... The people that live in those neighborhoods have a right to expect that we’ll protect them."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwp3rHWhzts&fbclid=IwAR1N51I-mUDsL1bFgZTMcszbg6LVR3HD5TjkqQgCouddWro2n3Td1fzv0QM

Interesting blog post, as well as 45 seconds of my life gone forever. My wife and I discussed this earlier today; my sympathy and tolerance for blacks is gone. I still did have some sympathy for them, up to the evening of May 26. I've had it. I'll work with them to the extent required, and I'll be polite and civil, and I'll deal with them in public to the extent required, and I'll be polite and civil. Apart from that, I don't want to hear about blacks and their issues, and I no longer care about blacks and their problems with the police and society at large. I no longer give a shit.

Blacks have opened a Pandora's Box, and they aren't going to like what flies out. You can push white people so far, but you back an angry white person into a corner and you won't like the results. Whites can no longer speak in public, but every day in every way they are becoming more and more angry. The pot has been simmering for some time now, but it's beginning to boil.

Shit will soon be getting real.

Years ago I worked in health services in a big jail in a big city. I worked at night in the booking department.

One night four cops - one black, two Mexicans, and one very short Asian - brought in four black guys in their 20's to early 30's.

One of the cops told me he and his partner were sitting at a four-way stop at a dark intersection near a commercial area. They heard a loud noise approaching at a high rate of speed from their left. It was a huge, early 70's model, four-door Buick, oxidized paint, no grill, one headlight, one fender and driver's door different colors from the rest of the car, the driver's window broken with remnants of duct tape hanging around the edges, windshield with lots of cracks. The exhaust pipe had disconnected near the front of the car, the engine noise was deafening, the exhaust pipe and muffler were dragging on the pavement with a rooster tail of sparks trailing behind. It engine was pouring out a trail of white smoke. They blew through the stop sign at high speed, the car bouncing high as it went over a dip going into the intersection, and swerved to the wrong side of the road on the other side. When they pulled the guys over the car wreaked of marijuana and there were empty beer cans and partially empty liquor bottles in the car. All four guys in the car had active warrants.

They were complaining loudly about racism, discrimination, profiling and driving while black. Pretty funny guys.

Lenona, come back with some real statistics. Get actual data. Not one guy's comment. Not a random article. Get something real and verifiable. Over and over you do this where you push your own racism on other people. It is a terrible habit.

You also need to recognize most of the news isn't informative. Can't find news articles on something? Guess what, all it means is stories about that aren't commercially valuable. People just aren't buying. And that is all it means. It in no way states (or even implies) something is or isn't happening.

> they'll arrest you if you
> refuse to answer

Know what's worse than mere arrest?

Can't find news articles on something? Guess what, all it means is stories about that aren't commercially valuable. People just aren't buying.
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Thanks. You just proved my points about Fox News, in the other thread.

For the record, I texted my brother yesterday and asked him if she ever gave him such a lecture (it would have been about 32 years ago). His answer:

"No, I don't think so. We're not black, so no talk."

But, he added (referring to when he was even younger and we were living in Barcelona):

"I do remember her telling me not to make eye contact with the military police with sub machine guns guarding public buildings...so I guess that's one example."