Sense On Police And Policing
"Funding and reforming the cops stands a much better chance of reducing the toll in black America from both cops and civilians than defunding, demonizing and demoralizing them."
Sullivan leads up to this with this bit below (excerpted by me from his longer piece):
The disproportion for African-Americans killed by civilian shootings is almost twice as skewed as that for those killed by cops.And the scale of it is on an entirely different level. In 2019, 243 black men (including only 13 unarmed black men) were shot dead by cops. In comparison, a whopping 7,484 were killed by civilians. If you believe that black lives matter, where is the outrage about that 7,484? If Travis Nagdy, a young man of color, had been killed by a cop, you would know his name by now. Because he was killed by a civilian, you probably don't.
Yes, I know. A killing by a representative of the state is a much, much graver offense than that by a fellow civilian. We should take it much more seriously than regular crime. That's why I favor every measure to increase accountability from the police -- tackling their unions, de-militarizing their equipment, ending qualified immunity, putting more resources into de-escalation training, and so on. Nonetheless, a murder is a murder. A grieving mother and family is a grieving mother and family, regardless of who the killer is. And when the likelihood of an African-American being killed by a civilian is almost thirty times the likelihood of being killed by a cop, it seems to me perverse that almost all the attention is on the police.
It's even more perverse to respond to this by calling to abolish the police altogether. In order to tackle three percent of black lives lost, you favor removing the primary force trying to prevent 97 percent of them! However problematic the police, what kind of practical sense does that make? And the immediate results in a city like Minneapolis show just how reckless -- how deeply dangerous to black lives -- this kind of strategy is. Demoralized cops are quitting in droves; gangs are re-taking the streets; neighborhoods are becoming war-zones.
Yes, I know many now insist that abolishing or defunding the police is not their real agenda. And for some, that may be true. But the record is quite clear: abolition of the police and of incarceration was exactly what many BLM activists and critical race theorists demanded, and still demand. It's what the Minneapolis City Council voted for last June.
...Abolition, in fact, is integral to critical race theory, and its view of the police as mere extensions of "white supremacy", even when police departments are often very racially diverse or majority black, and run by black police chiefs.
It is no accident that the killing of George Floyd prompted a massive outpouring of protest while no such national movement emerged in response to, say, the killing of a one-year-old child in Brooklyn. Black lives matter, it seems. But some black lives matter more than others -- depending entirely on who took them.
This left-progressive view is not one shared by most African-Americans. Or, for that matter, by leading and successful black pols like Barack Obama and James Clyburn and the late John Lewis. Polling in 2018 showed that only a small minority -- 18 percent in one survey -- opposed hiring more police officers, while 60 percent want more cops and more funding. A Gallup poll this summer found that "61 percent of Black Americans said they'd like police to spend the same amount of time in their community, while 20 percent answered they'd like to see more police, totaling 81 percent. Just 19 percent of those polled said they wanted police to spend less time in their area." So mostly white leftists last summer campaigned for something a hefty majority of actual African-Americans oppose. And, of course, it is the African-American community that endures the murderous consequences.
The notion that the cops are universally reviled in the African-American population is just as false. In a Vox/Civis analysis poll, 58 percent of black Americans said they have a favorable opinion of their local police. In the Gallup survey, 61 percent are "very confident" or "somewhat confident" about "receiving positive treatment" by police. That's much lower than it should be. There remains a real problem with police interaction with African-Americans. There is more to police misconduct than shootings -- and some police departments are indefensible, as we saw most graphically in Ferguson. But that's not an argument to defund or abolish the cops; it's an argument to investigate and hold the miscreants responsible; and to reform, retrain and invest in the overwhelming majority doing their best.
If black lives matter, all black lives matter. If we feel agony and grief at a video of a black man killed by cops, we should also feel agony and grief when far more are gunned down by civilians with no video to show it, when law-abiding African-Americans are blindsided by carjacking and murder, when the fear black citizens feel when cops are around is dwarfed by the terror when cops are absent.
Funding and reforming the cops stands a much better chance of reducing the toll in black America from both cops and civilians than defunding, demonizing and demoralizing them. This may not satisfy those who are on an ideological crusade against "whiteness". But if black lives really matter -- and they do -- all of them matter. And it's worth re-upping our efforts to see the background noise of disproportionate black death as the national emergency it is.








Police departments are most often reflective of the (corrupt ) governments that employ them . This not only happens in Portland Oregon and NYC but also places like Guernsey Wyoming.
There is no federal “reform” solution here, it’s all lip service, and bureaucratic paperwork as no policy can cover the million or so individual situations law enforcement is faced with on a daily basis.
I really wish we could stop the bean counting by skin color. How many of the blacks killed by civilians were killed by other drug dealers or gang members? How many had prior arrests? How many were actively involved in a crime at the time of their death? This ridiculous category “killed by civilians” doesn't tell you anything.
Isab at December 6, 2020 9:12 AM
Don’t get caught up in sound bites or language. Most of what the article is saying is reflected in the most common beliefs where it comes to defund the police.
While there is always that fringe, what most people mean by defund the police is using the same measures of accountability that you mentioned and perhaps shifting some work to mediators and trained counselors, perhaps relieving some burden to the police in handling non-violent or minor situations.
We all need to take a deep breath and realize 90% of people agree that changes need to be made so that people feel comfortable around police officers. Body cams that are always on when interacting with the public is another piece of the puzzle that was not mentioned.
Jen at December 6, 2020 10:04 AM
What "toll in black America from...cops"?
This is what's known as the fallacy of argumentum ad nauseam. You keep on saying something until it's accepted as true. Nazi propagandists used the same tactic. Worked very well for them, too.
Cops are killing blacks! Cops are killing blacks!
Yet every effort to prove that cops are disproportionately targeting blacks has failed to show the results we keep hearing about.
Patrick at December 6, 2020 10:09 AM
This is an important point.
Politicians too often look upon police departments as revenue centers, generating government revenue through fines and the resultant court fees. You can win the case and avoid the fine, but you're still on the hook for court fees easily ten times the fine amount.
These same governments treat their publics as limitless ATMs, raising fines and court fees when tax increases are rejected by the voters. That turns the police into revenue agents for a corrupt government, increasing the public hostility toward them, especially among people more likely to be trapped by cumbersome government rules and regulations - i.e., the working poor.
Between license requirements and fees, usage fees, fines and court fees, and every other nickel-and-dime fee with which the government can burden the public, the public is reaching the breaking point. The police are, more often than not, the agents enforcing these burdens and, thus, the targets of public ire.
Conan the Grammarian at December 6, 2020 10:34 AM
"what most people mean by defund the police is ..." ~Jen
No Jen. Words have meaning. If I run around saying 'I hate bubble gum.' but what I really was trying to communicate was 'Gasoline has an energy density of 12.7kWh/kg.' then I am a lunatic.
Defund the police means exactly that. A number of places implemented it. Those places have spiking violent crime. There was no secret code. No hidden messages. Just plain simple language.
Ben at December 6, 2020 2:44 PM
Ben's right - if defund is intended to mean something else, why are so many municipalities defunding their police under the banner of defunding the police?
And it's not like those budgets are being reallocated to create some alternate service. They're just reducing the size and capacity of police forces.
Do more moderate Progressives wish that defund meant something else? - sure, but that doesn't make it so.
gomando at December 6, 2020 4:04 PM
It's widespread madness, associated with the disease I postulated which accompanies Asperger's and autism: Reasoning Deficit Disorder.
Sufferers are unable to recognize cause and effect.
For instance, over 93% of murdered blacks are killed by other blacks, less than 0.007% are kiiled by police of all colors, and the ratio of fatal shootings, pitting young black men vs. police, is over 18:1. Yes, police are losing that game.
But since the narrative for over 55 years is that blacks are too stupid, fragile, etc., to do anything for themselves, it is again the white man's burden to fix them - even in jurisdictions where blacks run the city, the schools and law enforcement.
Interestingly, the link does not conform to Facebook's "community standards" - because the problem, even where whites are simply not present, is that whites exist somewhere and hold blacks down.
This is probably amusing to Asians and Hispanics.
Radwaste at December 6, 2020 5:23 PM
Another unmentioned aspect is a police shooting has a significant chance of a big $ payout by the governmental entity that employs said police whereas private/personal shootings are extremely unlikely to result in an economic bonus to the grieving family. Cities with a few hundred thousand citizens typically payout $10-20M/yr for police related citizen assaults, bigger cities run $100-300M for same annually.
sch at December 8, 2020 2:27 PM
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