Advice Goddess Free Swim: Update
Saturday, still feel like death: fever, chills, brain fog, weak, racing heart, etc. Hope to be better tomorrow.
It's Friday night, and I got Moderna vaccine #2, and I have a runny nose, runny eyes, weariness, and brain fog. Hope to be myself again tomorrow. Trying to stay up long enough that I won't be wide awake at 3 am.
So...you pick the topics.
P.S. One link per comment or my spam filter will eat your post.








Heard the best counter to the oft repeated accusation of needing proportionality in the Israel/Gaza fight.
Sure I believe in proportionality, Israel should indiscriminately fire 4000 rockets indiscriminately into Gaza. That would be fair.
Joe J at May 21, 2021 8:45 PM
Democrat and Republican politicians when they're on vacation:
https://twitter.com/MAstronomers/status/1395801567736078339
Sixclaws at May 22, 2021 8:33 AM
Sleep a lot! That's what husband and I needed, anyway, after we got each of our Moderna shots. Hope you feel 100% soon.
RigelDog at May 22, 2021 8:51 AM
Via Amy's twitter feed, a 70's beat that no one can resist… Bah-day-yah!
Crid at May 22, 2021 12:57 PM
The second Moderna shot has been really rough on a lot of people. Feel better soon.
Isab at May 22, 2021 9:01 PM
She's already described a week of Hellish hard work, why are people eager to blame the vaccine?
Crid at May 23, 2021 3:10 AM
My wife and I both got Moderna jabs. She went to work after the second one. My second one was scheduled the same day movers came to our house. Bad timing.
In my case, the Vax Crud lifted, rather suddenly, on the evening of the second day. Wife's experience was similar. In any case, Miss Alkon, I hope you're feeling better!
Note: Middle daughter (also fully vax'd) suggested that asking whether you were Pfizer or Moderna might wind up being a slimy pickup line over the next couple of years.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at May 23, 2021 5:52 AM
My wife, my mother-in-law, and I got the Pfizer vaccine. Second one left me exhausted, my arm sore, and with said arm virtually immobile. My wife had a sore arm, but no other complications. My 87-year-old mother-in-law had no complications at all. Nor did my 90-year-old uncle when he got his (also Pfizer).
By the second day, I was fine. Both my wife and I still had sore arms, but otherwise, we were functional.
Hope all goes well for you, Amy, and that your side effects disappear as quickly as did mine.
Conan the Grammarian at May 23, 2021 6:49 AM
(I'm older and heavier than Amy; sore arm at site of each injection for 30 hours or so, interfering with life not-at-all.) People seem horny for a narrative of punishing side effects. Which is weird.
This is a cool thing for kids.
Crid at May 23, 2021 8:08 AM
The author of this never states this, but I get the idea she feels the transgender athletes are only saying they identify as female solely for the wins and scholarships.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/05/22/transgender-athletes-girls-women-sports-track-connecticut-column/5149532001/
Fayd at May 23, 2021 8:45 AM
Also: Team ᴍᴏᴅᴇʀɴᴀ 👍
Crid at May 23, 2021 8:46 AM
Also: A T-thread to amuse Fayd.
Also—
> athletes are only saying
> they identify as....
Do the motives for how "they identify" matter whatsoever?
When TF did "identify" become a respectable word?
In the good old days —and I mean that seriously— to consider how someone "identified" described very precisely the horror for someone* on the the street being rousted by constabularies† for papers authorizing their free movement in public space.
That this language was so briskly seized by naive wokies neatly demonstrates their historical ignorance.
I don't give a fuck how you "identify."
You'd hate life on a planet where I did.
Crid at May 23, 2021 9:03 AM
Crid it's because of all the articles and public notices telling us if we feel horrible side effects it means our immune system is working... which suggests if we don't, it might not be.
NicoleK at May 23, 2021 9:55 AM
"someone* on the the street being rousted by constabularies† for papers authorizing their free movement in public space."
Interesting comment on a thread about Covid vaccines. Soon we can experience horror-lite when we try to board a bus, board an airplane, attend an entertainment venue, or go to university.
"Your health passport, please."
They'll even say please. And, since the virus continually mutates, you'll have to have regular updates to your vaccines and your electronic health records.* Or, you can wear the blue mask of shame. For the pharma companies this is a cash cow.
Instead of a shot in the arm it would be more appropriate to have people drop trou to get poked.
* Fauci discusses vaccine adjustments as Covid evolves.
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007577897/fauci-vaccine-virus-strains.html
Spiderfall at May 23, 2021 10:15 AM
The Monaco Grand Prix was on ABC this morning and I watched it on and off. I was reminded of something I learned a few years ago when watching it.
At one point, when the cars were exiting the tunnel under the casino, the announcer mentioned them chaving to slow down due to the upcoming “chicane.”
I’ve always loved the word “chicanery” so my ears perked up.
I’m generally not a fan of auto racing so I never knew that a “chicane” is “an artificial narrowing or turn on a road”, so that’s related to “chicanery”: “the use of trickery (or artifice) to achieve a political, financial, or legal purpose.”
JD at May 23, 2021 12:33 PM
“Saturday, still feel like death: fever, chills, brain fog, weak, racing heart, etc. Hope to be better tomorrow.”
Sorry to hear you had that kind of reaction. Of course, far better that than getting the virus and struggling to breathe.
(I had a severe allergy-related asthma attack about five years ago. I could barely breathe and had to drive to my hospital’s ER at 2:00 in the morning. It was terrifying.)
I had my second shot (Pfizer) back on April 1st. No reaction whatsoever to the first shot but felt kinda funky — although nothing like what you’re describing— for about a day after the second shot (the reaction began about 24 hours after I got the shot.)
JD at May 23, 2021 12:59 PM
NicoleK, that's interesting. Besides soreness, all I had was chills, sensitive skin, and tiredness. It was gone in a day.
But it was nice to have an excuse to sleep with an extra blanket. (I always look more forward to winter than summer. After all, in the summer, there's only so much you can remove.)
lenona at May 23, 2021 1:03 PM
Get well soon, Goddess.
Hans Tholstrup at May 23, 2021 1:51 PM
Women and people with allergies seem to have more of a reaction to the shot, as do people who have already had Covid.
In spite of what Crid says, there are a lot of people, especially those who have already had Covid, and people with certain immune system disorders, who have been advised not to get the vaccine, or if they had a bad reaction to the first shot, to not get the second one.
Isab at May 23, 2021 2:10 PM
Maximal fear, resentment, and suspicion in all contexts! A lot of people!
Crid at May 23, 2021 3:02 PM
When you stare into the abyss and the abyss stares back, don't forget to shout "Psspsspsspsspss" to it.
https://twitter.com/catsshouldnt/status/1396452224000135170
Sixclaws at May 23, 2021 3:10 PM
“I always look more forward to winter than summer. After all, in the summer, there's only so much you can remove.)”
Lenona, here in Seattle, I look forward to summer way more than winter because: (1) with all the rain and gloomy skiies, winters are miserable and depressing and (2) for the most part, Seattle summers are glorious (warm, but not hot and not muggy.)
However, I understand what you’re saying in that if I had to choose between a hot — and especially hot & humid — summer and a cold (but not rainy) winter, I’d definitely choose winter for the reason you mentioned.
JD at May 23, 2021 3:20 PM
> They'll even say please.
Two questions:
1. Have you ever known, or even met, someone crippled by poliomyelitis?
2. How do you feel when you read about kids in the Montana section of West LA who are skipping their MMRs? Do you admire their rejection of "passport" enforcement?
Crid at May 23, 2021 5:44 PM
They can't all be Bueller! Sometimes the best part of a movie is that it's been thirty years since you saw it.
Crid at May 23, 2021 5:55 PM
The fractional stutter at :23 is stunning.
Crid at May 23, 2021 6:09 PM
> Two questions
1) Only two with polio. But that doesn't prove anything. I don't know anyone who's had Covid 19, but I know it's a real thing.
2) Skipping MMR inoculation is a poor choice. I had M,M, and chicken pox by the time I was six. Miserable, but no long term effects.
But these are childhood diseases for the most part. And once kids are immunized, no more shots. Not really a comparison with Covid 19; which is more dangerous for the elderly. And Fauci is telling us that Corona virus vaccines may be a lifelong commitment. Of course you'll need to keep your vaccines current. And of course there will need to be a database that third parties can access. And of course if you don't provide the documentation you will be treated as a lower caste.
Spiderfall at May 23, 2021 8:55 PM
> But that doesn't prove anything
…He/she says, right away. Not defensive or anything, but he/she just knows when things have meaning, and it's important to ward off arguments as soon as possible! Even if one hasn't heard them yet. It's a brilliant dialectic technique: "But that doesn't prove anything."
> Miserable, but no long term
> effects.
"Effects" aren't the problem. Everyone else was put at risk by you (or your Mom's) choices.
This is what I was saying the other day: Idiots can't imagine that a policy isn't concerned with their individual well-being that very instant. They don't have the intellectual understanding of biology, or of probabilities — or the broadness of concern for those around them — to fight these monstrosities in the population-level warfare that's required… The species-level warfare.
"Caste," you say? Fucking India has got its shit together more than you do: Read up on their new national health app.
Stupidity like this is an irresistible argument for health passports. I'd dump on you onto a windblown skiff to Cuba and never miss you.
Crid at May 24, 2021 3:49 AM
"I don't know anyone who's had Covid 19, but I know it's a real thing." ~Spiderfall
Now you do! If you are young and in reasonable health it isn't a big deal. Sleepy and hungry for a week. Nothing more.
Ben at May 24, 2021 5:14 AM
I don't know anyone who's had Covid 19, but I know it's a real thing." ~Spiderfall
Now you do! If you are young and in reasonable health it isn't a big deal. Sleepy and hungry for a week. Nothing more.
Ben at May 24, 2021 5:14 AM
I’ve had it. Horribly sick, but not go to the hospital sick. But, I’m older.
It is one of those diseases that makes you feel like you will never be well again.
But somehow, I still don’t favor trading liberty for the illusion of security.
In my opinion, almost everyone exposed gets it. Half or more are asymptomatic.
The masks don’t seem to do a damn thing.
Isab at May 24, 2021 7:55 AM
For younger people it is very similar to having poorly controlled diabetes for a week. Not painful. Not that congested. Just really hungry and really sleepy.
I know several other people who've caught it too. Some jobs just don't let you bubble up and masks/plastic walls/etc at best slow things down for a bit. Nothing more. For the under 50 crowd my experience is pretty standard.
Which is why lying about this stuff is stupid. Everyone knows someone who has smoked a joint. Reefer Madness where some guy smokes a joint and then goes off on a murder spree is pretty obviously fake. Same with covid. It is contagious enough you can't sell a lie about millions of young people dying from it. Too many people know someone who had it and got over it.
Ben at May 24, 2021 8:34 AM
Fauci is an example of government workers failing upwards. He has often been mistaken or lying in a career that dates back to the early days of the AIDS epidemic. His record with AIDS was bad; with COVID it's been worse:
1) At the start, he lied to keep non-medical people from seeking masks. I understand why he did that, but how do you know when he's lying again?
2) Then he reversed course and exaggerated the effectiveness of non-medical masks to justify requiring everyone to wear something resembling a mask.
3) He has been trying to conceal the probable origin of the virus, because he carries part of the responsibility. When experiments with viruses were deemed too dangerous to be allowed in the USA, he approved US funding of these experiments in a Wuhan laboratory with poor safety protocols. These experiments were with genetic modifications to enable a bat corona virus to infect humans. I don't think it's just coincidence that a virus known only in bats 900 miles from Wuhan suddenly turned up in Wuhan, mutated to infect humans.
markm at May 24, 2021 9:03 AM
>Idiots can't imagine that a policy isn't concerned with their individual well-being that very instant.
Now we're getting somewhere. This virus has been more dangerous than most flu. But, like in 1919, it will recede.
My two concerns (unaddressed in the comment above) are:
1) By then our continuing obligations to the pharmaceutical companies will be written into the social contract.
2) Going forward, I will be required to stand and wait for permission, like the good little schoolboy I've always wanted to be, while a TSA reject with a shoe-size IQ decides if I can access public spaces.
The gentleman from Ohio makes a slander of dereliction against my family. His arrogance is undercut by the fact that immunizations against measles and mumps weren't in widespread use before 1965. I caught chicken pox in Tanzania in '66. Leave my Mom out of it, dickhead.
Spiderfall at May 24, 2021 10:37 AM
> The gentleman from Ohio
No gentleman, and not from Ohio. You must have misunderstood.
Man, it's BETTER to live in modernity than in 17th- or 18th-century cultures, ain't it? Wherever the fuck you were, I'd presume all the darling members of your tribe would be sad to think you passed an illness to someone else.
Jeez, I've said this an awful lot of times here: The thing the fuckers don't want to consider is ASYMPTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. You can have this bug, not feel sick from it, and pass it on to others. Who can get terribly sick, and sometimes die.
There are people who can't read those last two sentences. This is what they see: "_____________________. _____________."
But I feel fine!, they will mewl.
Denialism in the patterns seen here is wokedness, 1619-level delusion. It's intersectionality for ninnies.
Carry on! Live your best lives! After all, Fauci fucked up the CDC, amirite?
Crid at May 27, 2021 3:25 AM
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