A New Zealand atrocity.

Bravado about "herd immunity" is merely cowardice in a low-cut blouse. VACCINES ARE THE PATH TO HERD IMMUNITY. But little girls (of every age and both genders) are afraid of needles, so this thing rolls around the globe again and again, with blossoming mutations.

There was a Formula One race scheduled for Australia this year, but they decided to cancel it… The international traveling circus that produces races couldn't spend two weeks in isolation before doing the work. The Australian government was offered bulk vaccines at low prices, but has chosen to pretend that harsh, recurrent isolation enforcement will get the job done. This is beyond incompetent.

Listen, if you're not vaccinated, don't communicate with me. JUST TAKE THE VACCINE.

This was written by a father.

SPOILER:

One moral from this story: When CHILDREN, per se, make false accusations, there's a chance a crime WAS committed, but the child was too terrified of the criminal to accuse that person, so some innocent person got accused instead. (I've heard of such cases before, believe me.)

Not that the mother shouldn't have apologized, of course - but be fair; how many parents WOULD think twice before believing their own kid, especially when we're talking about a trip to the emergency room? Seems to me parents everywhere really need to learn more about child psychology, in that respect. (Can't say I can blame her for calling the police, either.)

https://www.quora.com/Has-another-parent-ever-yelled-at-you-because-of-something-your-child-did-to-theirs-or-thought-he-she-did

Q: Has another parent ever yelled at you because of something your child did to theirs, or thought he/she did?

A: Yes, she yelled and cussed me and my son and even called the police. When my son was in the 3rd grade I got a call one morning from the school asking me to come to in because of a problem. I went to the principals office where I found my son sitting outside his office looking terrified. The principal told me that the day before my son had repeatedly kicked a girl in the ankle hard enough to injure her so badly that her mother had to take her to the emergency room.

We arranged a meeting at the school with the girl and her mother the next day and I took my son home to talk about the situation. I asked him why he did it and he said that he didn’t do it, he said he wasn’t even there when it happened. I asked him to explain his side of the story.

He told me that the girl said he kicked her while they were in line waiting to get on the school bus to go home the day before. My son has never ridden the school bus in his entire life, not even one time. He was always in the carpool group that waited in the cafeteria until I came to pick him up, I had to sign a log when he was picked up. I asked him if he told the principal that and he said he tried but no one would listen to him.

So I called the school and asked to speak to the teacher who was at the door signing students out of the carpool group the day before. When I spoke with her she said that she remembered my son being there and me picking him up, she also had the log with my signature showing that I picked him up and date and time.

The next day when we arrived for the meeting the girl (with her leg bandaged up) and her mother were already there in the principals office, and a police officer was waiting in the outer office. As soon as we walked in the girls mother went off on my son and me, calling him mean little shit and saying how she was going to have him arrested. She called me an asshole and a horrible parent for raising a boy who would hurt a little girl like that. I was angry as hell but I held my temper, and my tongue, because I knew my son was innocent, and I knew I could prove it.

After the principal got her settled down we all sat down and the police officer came in and stood by the door while we talked. The principal asked the girl to tell us what happened and she said that while they were in line waiting to get on the school bus to go home that my son started picking on her. She said he was pulling her hair and calling her names and when she told him to stop he got mad and started kicking her in the leg and wouldn’t stop. Her mother started again about how she was going to press charges and then sue us.

When the principal finally asked my son to tell his side of the story my son said it was all a lie, he said that he wasn’t there. That set the girls mother off worse than before. She jumped up and turned bright red, she was shaking her finger at my son and called him a lying little bastard, shouting that her little girl didn’t tell lies, she got so bad that the police officer made her settle down.

After things settled down and I was able to talk I asked the principal if he had talked to my son about what happened, he said that he had. I asked him if my son told him that he didn’t do it, he said yes. I asked him if my son explained that he wasn’t there when it happened, he said yes. I asked him if he had investigated what my son told him, and he just sat there and said nothing.

I then asked him to call the teacher that worked the cafeteria carpool group to the office and ask the office secretary to bring the sign out sheet from the day it happened to the office. When the teacher arrived and the principal had the sign out sheet I asked the teacher if she remembered me picking up my son that day, she said, yes she did, she said my son always told her good by every day. I asked the principal if my signature was on the sign out sheet showing that I picked my son up that day from the cafeteria, He checked the list and said, yes.

Then the little girl started to cry and her mother looked embarrassed, but remained indignant and angry, she insisted that everyone was against her daughter and making her look like a liar. She was ranting again to the point that the officer had to tell her to calm down again. The officer was now annoyed because he knew that my son had been falsely accused, so did the principal.

At that point the police officer took over the questioning. When he questioned the girl she repeated the story that my son did it, but he told her that couldn’t be true because he was on the other side of the building and couldn’t have done it. She started crying again and her mother started up again. But the officer had no more patience with her and shut her up. Finally he got the girl to tell the truth. She said that another boy had kicked her and told her if she told anyone he did it that he would hurt her again but worse. When she got home and her mother saw her injured leg she told her the lie. She said she blamed my son because he was always nice and she knew that he wouldn’t hurt her.

After the confession I asked the woman if she was going to apologize to my son, she just huffed grabbed her daughter by the hand and dragged her out of the office. The principal told my son he could go on to class. I stopped him and asked the principal if he had something to say to my son, he looked embarrassed and flustered but finally apologized for putting him through this ordeal. I asked my son to wait outside while I spoke to the principal and the officer. When the door was closed I finally let the principal know how I felt about him accusing my son of something without checking out his defense by talking to the teacher and looking at the sign out sheet that was right there in his office. I didn’t say too much because I didn’t want to make it hard on my son by making the principal angry. I told him that my son wasn’t going back to class today, that I was taking him to lunch and for ice cream to explain how sometimes adults can make big mistakes and then not feel like they owe an apology. The police officer asked me if I wanted to take any kind of action, I said no, he said he had to file a report and it would show that my son had been falsely accused. The woman or the girl never told my son that they were sorry.

EDIT: I am not sure what the punishment was for the boy who actually kicked her. My son said all he knew was that the boy was never at school after that. And after my son and I talked neither of us were angry at the girl. She was terrified of her mother and the boy who hurt her, she blamed my son because he was nice and I guess she thought he wouldn’t hurt her if she blamed him. She was trying to protect herself from the boy and her mother.

EDIT # 2: Some people are assuming that the girl went unpunished, let me assure you that is not the case. She was suspended from school and had special counseling, other than that I don’t know. The police officer had to file a report with the city and county. Someone mentioned that he may have contacted CPS about the incident, I don’t know. All I know is that she was punished, everyone at the school knew what she had done and she also has to live with that. As for the boy who actually assaulted her, he was expelled and my son said he never came back. What other punishment he was given I do not know. What I do know is that when I went to school an incident like this would have been handled by the parents and the school, the threat of ruining the lives of 7 and 8 year old children for something like this was unheard of. I handled the situation by calmly collecting the evidence to prove my son was innocent. After that I left the punishment to the proper authorities, as it should be. I have no desire to be judge, jury, and executioner.

(end)

It often feels like we're hearing the summation of the case before we even know we're in the jury box.

The arsenal of democracy has offered voters a proud new weapon.

You mean, that's the position the father was in, at the beginning? Yes.

Another story of cruelty committed by children, with a much happier outcome:

https://m.facebook.com/MKBackstrom/videos/1503229306413184/

The video is under seven minutes long. (Yes, things could have turned out pretty badly for the narrator, under different circumstances - luckily, the parent was a truly good one, and the kids were so-called good kids who behave badly whenever they think their parents won't catch them. Until...)

We need a thesis at the top to tell us what cargo the freight train roaring down upon us is carrying.

Something like:

Parents should help their kids with homework! Consider this story out of Cartersville, Georgia about a kid who can't read cursive....

Pet owners shouldn't dunk their kittens in beeswax! Here's a news story from the Kansas City Star about a kitty who couldn't lick his own paws....

I can never tell what parts we're supposed to learn from, or what you want us to know. Or believe. Or care about.

I mean, that was a 1714-word comment, with too many voices and shifts of perspective to take any clarity from the spoiler.

Maybe I should have started with "parents everywhere really need to learn more about child psychology - and learn NOT to call the police too soon."

Otherwise, I thought the spoiler summed it up well enough for those who may not have the time or patience to read the father's story.

Another thing parents really need to learn; kids KNOW how to lie as soon as they learn to talk, and it's foolish to say "MY kids don't lie" just because the kids are 3 or younger. It's not because kids are evil, it's simply that kids believe whatever they want to believe, and saying something out loud makes it seem "true." Especially if an adult falls for it.

I saw a 3-year-old dump his chips on the ground on purpose, right in front of his mother. When she pointed that out and refused to give him more, he blamed a non-existent breeze for the spill, though he knew she'd seen everything! So, that suggests that even a preschooler doesn't have to be that smart in order to lie.

Otherwise, I thought it was an amazing story about the value of keeping your temper, building your defense, and playing your cards right. (I mean the father, of course.) Not to mention the lesson that not every false accusation by a child is done out of malice - or even some petty reason - and that that deserves a lot more attention.

"...so this thing rolls around the globe again and again, with blossoming mutations."

It's going to anyway. a) vaccination can't be delivered to everyone, and b) even those who have already had the disease, and therefore have immune systems tuned to defeat that variant, can be infected by a new variant.

The Australian round of MotoGP has also been cancelled, and the Malaysian round moved up a week as a result.

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"So, that suggests that even a preschooler doesn't have to be that smart in order to lie."

John Rosemond has been quoted right here on this blog, asking why, if children are such angels, that upon learning to speak, they lie immediately and without coaching in order to gain advantage. So, a well-known tendency.
If you don't teach your kids to tell the truth by your own example, you'll be posting bail...

...and you might be driving to the morgue. More than one episode of Cops and LivePD have shown suspects behaving in breathtakingly stupid ways at gunpoint, only to claim they did everything they were told to immediately; they've likely been told their entire lives that the way they see things is how things really happened for their entire lives.
Many cry for Mama when handcuffs come out. Since crime is the ultimate selfish act, and lying for personal advantage is also selfish, the two have commonalities.

> Maybe I should have started with
> "parents everywhere really need to

Golden!

John Rosemond has been quoted right here on this blog, asking why, if children are such angels, that upon learning to speak, they lie immediately and without coaching in order to gain advantage. So, a well-known tendency.

I take it Rosemond is not a parent? The moment kids learn to speak, they will tell the truth until they learn that honesty is punished.

If you don't teach your kids to tell the truth by your own example, you'll be posting bail...

Children will only tell the truth once, but after being yelled at, berated at, and sometimes even turned into a human pinata. The child will learn that truthfulness means pain.

> It's going to anyway. a) vaccination
> can't be delivered to everyone, and b)

Care to share cites? Jesus Christ, Raddy

That's just insane. Murderous, masturbatory fatalism... Worst case since momoffour's "ten percent of the retirement set."

Okay! Saving to disk!

You haven't had your shots, have you?

Looks like Lithuania is looking to get some Hong Kongers to move to the Baltic.

https://michaelyon.locals.com/upost/832399/important-for-hong-kongers-share-widely

We should be bringing the all the Hong Kongers here.

Instead, we're making America more like China.

Nah, it's not going to go away.

In fact, I predict the WuFlu is going to be incorporated into the seasonal Flu shot system now.

The "Fast and Curious"?

https://twitter.com/SteveInmanUIC/status/1412601346214174723

We should be bringing the all the Hong Kongers here.

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Instead, we're making America more like China.

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**Otherwise, I thought it was an amazing story about the value of keeping your temper, building your defense, and playing your cards right.**

Jesus woman, you will believe any tripe that confirms your priors. This story is amazing bc it is complete fiction. If you had children and had ever interacted with a primary school as a parent, you would have known that. First, all the characters in this false melodrama were stock characters: the "moo" who rabidly defends her child by screaming obscenities throughout the hallways of an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL (!!), the child a malicious little liar, and finally, the saintly dad who holds his temper as the cop rattles the cuffs in the background. Except, it doesn't happen this way. The school already knows who rides the bus and who doesn't. Most elementary schools are not that big and the kids are watched right up to the moment they board the bus, or get into the car. The teacher in charge of bus duty would have been called ASAP and would have been able to resolve this issue without the cops being called. But see, you have to had kids go through the public schools to know how the system works.

Sorry, you got duped. Ten bucks says you found this on one of those, "I hate kids and their mothers" websites that you like to frequent. The real moral of this story is for you to stop believing everything you read on the internet, especially personal stories and diatribes posted on junk websites.

Am I missing something about that article that Crid posted? Its about the resurgence of RSV in kids that have been kept home too long and in too clean of an environment. I have heard that's a problem here in the US too. They thought the flu would be bad, but it seems to have disappeared, and RSV is taking its place, which is much worse for children.

Is there another article I am missing about the vaccine that guys are arguing about?

Never been a 4chan kinda guy, but they're apparently still doing interesting things over there.

Hey Sheep Mom and Conan, thanks for the link to Jordan & Dalrymple the other day(s). It was a good catalog of TD's usual points.

But sad rule for podcasts is this: The host —even in the case of Jordan, himself a figure of interest— will ALWAYS talk too much and interrupt the guest too often.

This podcast by Ferriss with Srinivasan is fantastic, but it lasts a long time and Ferriss talks too much. I literally downloaded it to trim out the host's questions and comments. Someday, the software will do this for us. In terms of self-important twaddle, podcasts are about where blogs were in 2004. (Amy excepted, of course.)

I take it Rosemond is not a parent?
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Wrong. Eric was born in 1969 and Amy in 1973, I think. They're both married. He's a pilot, she's a homemaker. There are now at least six grandchildren. He and his wife were parenting them in the popular fashion until the late 1970s, when Eric's teachers complained of Eric's attitude and poor work. Thus, John's "just channeling for Grandma" style was reborn - and Eric, his social skills, and his grades reformed in a hurry. One could call John's style libertarian/authoritative as well - it certainly made conservatives like Dr. Laura mad, since she believes that mothers should revolve around their children and he says children should revolve around their parents, even when a parent is a homemaker. Or, as he often says, in effect: "What did women liberate themselves for? To become slaves to their children?"

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The moment kids learn to speak, they will tell the truth until they learn that honesty is punished.
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Where did you get THAT idea? Just because not every truth NEEDS to be said out loud (e.g. "your breath stinks") doesn't mean it's that hard for parents to teach, gently, the art of knowing when one is allowed/ordered to stay silent and when one is not. One example parents would do well to set is just plain refusing to answer the social question "how old are you." There is no reason to lie about it, when the question wasn't polite in the first place.

What makes anyone think kids aren't able, from the start, about how to lie to get out of trouble or get what they desperately WANT?

Btw, I once heard of a study that said that telling kids the story of the boy who cried wolf doesn't help kids to be honest, because the story is too harsh and punitive. It's better to find a positive story, similar to the fictional one about the cherry tree, since "Washington" tells the truth and thus is not punished. (Of course, in a real-life situation, he'd have to work to pay the cost of the tree, but that's not exactly punishment.)

the child a malicious little liar,
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You don't like to read that carefully, do you?

Both the writer and I made it clear that the child lied, NOT out of malice or for any petty reason - she was terrified, for more than one GOOD reason, but also couldn't stay silent, given the evidence. Just because many ADULT abuse victims of religious leaders finally managed to blow the whistle in the right direction doesn't mean all KIDS are capable of that even if they speak up right away. As I said, I've heard of such sad, misdirected cases before. They just don't make it into the mainstream media that much - likely because such stories wouldn't look well and would hurt kids who are already hurting from genuine abuse. What's so unbelievable about them - or about helicopter parents who HAVEN'T heard of such cases and thus bungle their parental duty?
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The teacher in charge of bus duty would have been called ASAP and would have been able to resolve this issue without the cops being called.
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Read that again. SHE called the cops. It doesn't say just when she did. But, given her hastiness, it may have been the first thing she did - before calling the principal.

And:

"He was always in the carpool group that waited in the cafeteria until I came to pick him up, I had to sign a log when he was picked up. I asked him if he told the principal that and he said he tried but no one would listen to him."

We've all heard of school officials who believe angry adults over kids, have we not? Or officials who are just plain uncaring and incompetent? Maybe the principal (who saw the girl's bandaged leg, presumably) hadn't heard of misdirected accusations either and saw no reason to double-check or assume anything was off. Weirder things have happened. Take that South African woman who recently claimed to have birthed ten babies all at once. Guess what? She wasn't even pregnant. The Pretorial News editor's excuse for not double-checking the story? "They had no reason to lie to me about the pregnancy. For me, it was a story of celebration. Hence, I never demanded documentary proof of the pregnancy, such as scanners and clinic cards, for instance, as I would normally do with an investigative story."
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Ten bucks says you found this on one of those, "I hate kids and their mothers" websites that you like to frequent.
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Again, you don't read well. I found it on Quora, and for some reason, I never find Quora links on ANY subject on any website or forum. (Not even cooking forums, which have a good deal of traffic.) I found it by searching on certain etiquette keywords - something about when it's OK - or not - to criticize strangers.

Sixclaws, one more thing. Rosemond very much advocates not giving kids opportunities to lie in the first place. "Ask no questions and you'll be told no lies." I.e., when there's a broken lamp and you know for a fact that no cat, dog, breeze or other family member could have knocked it over, just tell the kid that the lamp is broken and he/she will have to work to pay to replace it. No arguing will be allowed. End of story. Given the above circumstances, what are the odds that you'll be wrong, even if the kid DOES try to deny it?

For reasons both easier and more difficult to explain, the world has changed greatly over the last 50 years in ways that make it harder to have the kind of varied, adventurous experiences that men who came of age a century ago regularly did…

Even twenty years ago, you could backpack across Europe and be entirely unreachable for long stretches of time. “Want to get me a message? You can call me at a hotel in Budapest in three weeks.” There’s almost nowhere you can now go where you cannot be found. And this degree of interconnection not only makes adventures feel less romantic, but robs them of some of their transformative power.

"The human race has a plethora of options for powering civilisation in the 21st century, not a dearth. The problem is not energy, but energy conversion. Economic growth is effectively a matter of turning energy into complex structures that can be energised to do work. Energy conversion is the lifeblood of civilisation. Just as biology harnesses energy to build bodies and ideas, so human society captures energy to make physically improbable entities such as buildings, governments and social-media platforms. Energy conversion enables us to avoid entropy, the drift towards chaos."

Here's another, classic example of not asking questions OR allowing arguments - under reasonable circumstances, of course. It's about stopping kids from using their "friends" as an excuse to break the law. WITHOUT hovering. Trouble is, as you might guess, most American parents today would be too wimpy to enforce it. But Lenore Skenazy would very likely approve, since it allows kids to be "free-range."

https://books.google.com/books?id=geAyMa2G5bEC&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=%22john+rosemond%22+%22dad+dad%22&source=bl&ots=nIo9-zhb4v&sig=ACfU3U1Bn5DDtX9ER3Cz5804iYL74I36wA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjq94eQ_tTxAhV1MVkFHcD8DQ8Q6AEwEnoECBMQAw#v=onepage&q=%22john%20rosemond%22%20%22dad%20dad%22&f=false

You have to scroll up to page 180 first and read to page 183. I prefer the same story as it's told in the book Teen Proofing, pp 153-155, but Google Books doesn't allow me to view all those pages.

@Lenona,

I've had that kind of parenting. It's a shit way to raise a child because the kid learns that it's pointless to defend yourself when you're being accused of something you did not do.

Sixclaws, I don't see how. If the kid has a good record with the parents, of course the parents are likely to give the kid the benefit of the doubt - when there IS a doubt. At any rate, I didn't refer to those gray situations. Obviously, you can't accuse an adult or a child of breaking the lamp without at least SOME proof. (But if the only suspect other than the kid is a trustworthy adult who denies doing it, that seems like strong evidence against the kid, to me.) If one seems to have an air-tight case against the kid only to be proven wrong later, one can always apologize profusely and make amends - and still demand that the kid keep a clean record in the future.

If you're talking about what John described doing with Eric in the above link, it seems to me that Eric himself prevented any accusations of wrongdoing, simply because his parents were kind enough to warn him in advance that "you are judged by the company you keep." Plus, of course, Eric knew his dad well enough to know he didn't make idle threats, since he's no wimp - so Eric knew when to find new friends in a hurry.

Bottom line: it IS better to be a little too strict than a little too lenient. One just doesn't want to go to extremes, since those tend to backfire.

Btw, somehow, I'd never seen Rosemond's blog before - at least, not the one in the last ten years or so. I admit, I'm surprised by a good deal of it - but not most, I guess.

https://www.rosemond.com/Blog.html

Quote:

Rosemond 2024?

I hereby announce that if Donald J. Trump or someone hand-picked by him does not run for president in 2024, I will.

I’m serious. I will be 76 years old in November 2024, and I guarantee that I will be of much sounder mind that Faux President O’Biden. My party affiliation will be NONE. My platform will consist of the following promises: I will…

work for an Amendment to the Constitution that limits the terms of Representatives, Senators, and POTUS to one term each – said terms being, respectively, four years, six years, and six years. NO MORE CAREER POLITICANS!

work to enact federal law prohibiting a sitting Representative, Senator, or POTUS from running for any other office – federal, state, or municipal. A sitting Senator wants to run for President? He must resign and do it on his own time and his own dime.

work for the establishment of federal and state laws that require the loser in a civil lawsuit to pay all legal and court costs. That guarantees I will not have the backing of the American Bar Association.

do whatever it takes to close our borders to illegal immigration and require anyone who snuck into the USA illegally to go home and start over.

strip federal funds from any municipality or state that declares itself to be a sanctuary for illegal immigrants.

restart the Keystone Pipeline.

eliminate the federal income tax, thus requiring the states to support the federal government. LET THE PEOPLE VOTE WITH THEIR FEET!

limit the powers of the federal government to those explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.

strip federal funding from “public” education, including at the college level. Let the states fund their own education debacles.

rigorously enforce the Tenth Amendment.

refuse aid to any country that supports terrorism, subjects its people to totalitarian control,
restricts freedom of speech or religion, or refuses to recognize the legitimacy of Israel.

make it a federal crime to interfere with free speech on the Internet.

cancel federal funding for colleges and universities who fail to demonstrate that their faculties are not at least 40 percent conservative.

end all entitlement programs and empower churches to take up their proper ministries. Social Security and Medicare, by the way, are not entitlements. My calculations, for example, reveal that I will never come close to being compensated for what I paid into SS.

That’s for starters.

I will not raise money to support my candidacy, nor will I accept contributions. That means if my name appears on a ballot, it will be because of the efforts of others. In other words, I will be a write-in candidate. If Lisa Murkowski did it, so can I.

(end)

"Care to share cites? Jesus Christ, Raddy"

Please observe the Wikipedia article entitled, "World Population", and note otherwise that large areas of the planet are not covered by any sort of medical aid. Hence, "Doctors Without Borders", who still don't get to everyone.

Jesus, yourself. You can't get parts of the USA to go to the dentist.

Herd immunity - which is not absolute (not that you said it was) also occurs absent any sort of vaccination program. It's just that the disease kills more people in that case.

In other words, you're afraid of needles, and blithely pulling idiot ideas out of your ass without any reasoning whatsoever ("It's going to anyway").

(See "bravado," above.)

I can't imagine where ignorance of this magnitude comes from.

Probably you television set, which flatters you to sell deodorant.

"Looks like Lithuania is looking to get some Hong Kongers to move to the Baltic." ~IRA

Many of them left years ago. Mostly to Australia. When the CCP took over Hong Kong the city lost something like 10% of it's population that year. Mind immigration mostly from China made up for that in pure numbers. But since the handover the city has failed to grow by 1%/year much less it's previous average around 2%/year.

Economically the city entered a long depression after the handover that ended around 2005. Since then the city's economy has more or less mirrored mainland China's.

Lithuania is late to the party.

Since you need links for basic information here you go Crid.

https://americanhistory.si.edu/topics/infectious-disease-history

But no, covid is not an eradicable disease. At least not without massive environmental damage that is not politically supportable. Nor do I
recommend doing that as well.

So, you're scared of needles too.

https://www.medicinenet.com/what_animals_can_get_and_spread_covid-19-news.htm

Crid, have you gotten your cat vaccinated? How about your neighbor? How about the deer in your local forest? Any local bat colonies? And then there are the migratory birds.

"So, you're scared of needles too." ~Crid

Have you considered being honest? Just for a day to start. Then try extending it out to a week or more. It could really change your life.

The bitterness of a cowardly, incurious free-rider is not all that intimidating.

Asking you to be honest and not lie was somehow supposed to be intimidating?

This is why you should try being honest. Maybe even just with yourself. All the lies and dishonesty have left you a very confused person.

Bunny, you don't need to repeat yourself: I already believe you're so timid in your investigation of the world that you regard any discomforting information as "lies."

Stay indoors! Lock that latch! Avoid books and inquiry. Hold your breath, it will all be over soon enough....

But take the fucking vaccine.

I mean, I know you don't care, but the lives of others depend on it. (See "free-riding," above.)

*** But sad rule for podcasts is this: The host —even in the case of Jordan, himself a figure of interest— will ALWAYS talk too much and interrupt the guest too often.*** Crid

I agree, especially Peterson. He likes to mentally process out loud.

Have you listened to his Ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know episode? It reminded me of the Postrel book. Lately I have been wondering how well her arguments hold up and it appears she is still correct. Here's the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIANLddo-ec&t=1321s

I will check out that podcast link you posted. Thanks.

The thing is, all these people go on podcast tours for each other. So you might miss Dalyrmple on Jordan, but you'll pick him up on Harris or Sullivan. When there's an exceptionally good appearance, i.e. when someone sells a book (or a political idea) in the space of a modest driving commute, I usually post a link here, as you did.

A favorite comes to mind: Charles Murray on the Sam Harris podcast… Because IF YOU START AT 10:20, you can avoid most of Harris' galactic pomposity, and he does a proper amount of groveling for earlier years of presumption.


Jordan is a fine gentlemen with handsome features and good grooming, but I can only handle so much of him over time, and your Dalrymple link consumed the Summer '21 tolerance. But I heard Bailey & Tupy giving the talk on another one, probably Goldberg.

It would be pompous and weird to call TFAIE life-changing, but its principles have offered daily guidance (including 'Chill out, Dude') for two decades.

Still reeling—

"It's just that the disease kills more people in that case."

"Data released this week by Israel's Health Ministry showed vaccine efficacy against the coronavirus waning in that highly vaccinated country in tandem with the spread of the delta variant. The Israeli data showed lower protection against symptomatic illness, only 64%, although vaccinated people retain protection against severe illness."

Fear not:

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/jul/09/pfizer-set-to-request-3rd-dose-approval/

And boosters and variants and free donuts and beer, Oh my. How much farther to the Emerald City?

That was Raddylike: Turgid with sarcasm, but no clear meaning. You want to make fun of something. What?

Day 2 —

"It's just that the disease

kills more people

in that case."

Let us know when your hysteria finishes running it's course Crid. Normal people don't 'reel' over fairly basic information. Lord knows how you will react when you find out about garbage men.

Orion worries about being 'normal' as well, and from a similar, presumably-unvaccinated posture of blithe ignorance.

We see that it is possible to be murderously small-minded.

"Bunny, you don't need to repeat yourself: I already believe you're so timid in your investigation of the world that you regard any discomforting information as "lies."" ~Crid

"So, you're scared of needles too." ~Crid

You know this is false. My views on covid vaccination have been clearly stated and you have responded to them. In none of that have I expressed any fear of needles. Nor have any of the other people you accused of this. Clearly this is a false statement you are knowingly presenting.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie

lie verb (2)
\ ˈlī \
lied; lying\ ˈlī-​iŋ \
Definition of lie (Entry 3 of 6)
intransitive verb

1: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.
He lied about his past experience.
2: to create a false or misleading impression
Statistics sometimes lie.
The mirror never lies.

Gee. A pretty textbook case of being a liar.

But you are right on your last line. Your small-minded views are dangerous. If foolish people are not opposed in their emotional hysterias then the rational people who stood by and did nothing are partially responsible for the harm those fools caused.

"You want to make fun of something. What?"

You calling other people free-riders when you got both jabs for free?
Or,
Your insistence that everybody else should join you? After all, you're safe. What's it to you?
Or,
Your failure to recognize the scientific importance of a control group for an experimental vaccine?
Or,
A hyper-hypochondriac doing all of the above?

They've promoted these vaccines using such car sales techniques. Your government is offering you free beer, marijuana, and lottery tickets - things they nominally disapprove of - to get you and and us to fall in line. And all the lefty celebs lining up for the cameras, Trudeau, people we know not to believe in. You spent time in show biz. Doesn't this tingle your b.s. radar a bit? It stinks. I think Fauci is behind the curtain in the palace. At least he was until John "Toto" Stewart pulled back the blue curtain on the Wuhan lab theory so the dimwits could follow the plot.

But I do not wish the blood clots, myocardia, or other long-term side effects for you. Only that you quietly accept your role as a test subject; and report from time to time on your various booster shots and overall health. Thank you for your cooperation.

> You know this is false.

Not at all, not at all.

Are you claiming to be mentally deficient, Crid?