Skanks For The Memories
Two days after my job took me to London for six weeks, my girlfriend's ex spent the night at her house. They broke up several years ago, but work together, and are friendly. Apparently, this fella got too drunk to drive, and slept on her couch. "Nothing happened." I wasn't too happy with this. The next night, they went out with friends, and he pressed her to sleep at his place because it's closer to the bar. She demurred. In her words, "He might've tried something while I was asleep. He has before." To me, this is all entirely inappropriate. She insists I don't trust her and has managed to turn herself into the offended party. She claims she's just "one of the guys," with many male friends -- one she has to e-mail secretly because his wife heard her joking voicemail that she was "wearing nothing but a feather boa." She finally stopped calling her guy friends stuff like "my hot beef injection," but only after I threatened to walk. Am I justified in thinking her behavior shows a lack of respect for me and our relationship?
--Seeking Third Opinion
As completely unnecessary things go, your girlfriend's revelations are up there with left-handed mugs and automotive lingerie, also known as "the car bra." There you are, thousands of miles across the pond, and your girlfriend's calling to fill you in on what almost happened, and what almost happened again the next night. Oh, and it's almost happened some other times, and perhaps did happen, while she was sleeping. What, exactly, do you say to that, "Yeah, Honey, great to hear your voice, too!"?
Like your girlfriend, you're "one of the guys." Just wondering, when's the last time you strolled into the sports bar and shouted across the place -- not "Yo, Jack!" or "Hey, Frank!" but "Well, if it isn't my hot beef injection!"? And I'm guessing it's been quite some time since you left a voicemail informing your best buddy, "I'm wearing nothing but my Batman boxers..."
Girls who really are just one of the guys know it doesn't take much to work a guy up, and friends don't drool down friends' cleavage. There are women who throw a little sexual swagger into their speech for shock value -- but what's the value in shocking you? Chances are, Princess Pottymouth is seriously insecure, and probably not ready for a relationship. Even if she isn't cheating, her desperation for sexual validation from men takes priority over your feelings and the relationship. A caring, emotionally together woman would make you feel like the only guy in the world, not the only guy who has to take an international flight to get in line to sleep-grope her.
Your girlfriend might talk dirty to lots of guys, but she reserves fighting dirty for you, shutting down your feelings by acting like the offended party: "Well, I'm mad, too!" Yes, she is. She's offended that you're offended. What a convenient way to never be wrong. What's more, she insists her identity is wrapped up in saying and doing stuff that creeps you out. Maybe, like many people, you don't feel justified breaking up until your girlfriend does something egregious like cheating. But, isn't it egregious enough never knowing what nauseating thing your little dumpling will say next? If so, where you went wrong was in not acting more wronged from the start -- telling her in no uncertain terms what you don't have the stomach for, and being willing to walk (and not just around the block once or twice after slamming the door for effect).








This sounds like a recent ex-girlfriend of mine, and several women I've known. I'm virtually never one to say this, but for a change I'm going to: Walk, walk, walk - no, run. Yeah I know it's difficult to leave when you're getting regular sex and all that, but for the sake of your own sanity, leave before this does more damage to yourself. A few months later you'll re-read your letter and wonder how she managed to distort your worldview so badly that you thought any of this behavior was even remotely normal or to be put up with. Women like this have a reality distortion field.
DavidJ at January 21, 2009 1:19 AM
And, oh yes, there is basically no way this is going to end well. She clearly has no respect for you or the relationship whatsoever. Even if she does sort herself out one day, you'll be pushed out of that process, I've seen it many times.
DavidJ at January 21, 2009 1:24 AM
It's not just a matter of trust - though it is at least that. As Amy says, she is taking offence as defence. If she cannot understand how hurtful her behaviour is to you, you only have two choices. One is to put up with it, and the other is not to. It doesn't sound as if you have a lot invested in this relationship, so you may be best to cut your losses and quit now.
Norman at January 21, 2009 1:31 AM
Based on the women I know who are like this, it is also a virtual certainty that she is cheating. You might also want to think about why you are attracted to such women, or at least, why you allow yourself to be treated like this - possibly some self-esteem issues of your own, or something.
DavidJ at January 21, 2009 1:33 AM
Seriously dude dump the witch.
lujlp at January 21, 2009 4:17 AM
There are tons of women out there that don't treat their men this way. Walk and go find one of those.
Dale at January 21, 2009 4:42 AM
"She finally stopped calling her guy friends stuff like 'my hot beef injection,' but only after I threatened to walk."
Hot Beef Injection? You've got to be kidding me! LW, you should walk on grounds of tastelessness alone. Seriously, if she needed you to tell he not to talk like that around her boyfriend, I think you're in for more trouble and pain than you should have to put up with. Like Dale says, break up with her now and find somebody nicer.
old rpm daddy at January 21, 2009 5:14 AM
I agree with all the guys here, LW. Your girlfriend isn't a girlfriend at all, she's a vacuous moron. You'd be well rid of her, the sooner the better. Any woman who talks like that to her boyfriend doesn't deserve him, unless he treats her like shit, as well. Gather up what's left of your dignity, and take it with you when you leave. There are other, better women out there who will treat you with the respect you deserve. This woman is obviously not one of them. o.O
Flynne at January 21, 2009 5:35 AM
Wow. I tend to be rather comfortable with a lot of things that most guys probably wouldn't be and can confidently say this little girl needs to grow the fuck up before she's ready for an adult relationship.
DuWayne at January 21, 2009 5:49 AM
Blech. I'm one who finds jealousy to be generally insidious and usually the fault of the jealous party, not the one they are jealous of. But not this time. It's her, not you. She's manipulating you, probably because she's mad you left for 6 weeks, and sees making you jealous as a way to get you to convey your love for her, and to ensure that you will come back quickly and not fool around while you're gone. It's stresses like these that test the mettle of the relationship. This is why you should never get serious with a person before you've had your first fight, because the way they fight is usually an excellent indicator of their personality. What you've learned is that your girlfriend will twist what you say so that she's always the wronged party; she's manipulative; she's disrespectful of you; and instead of speaking frankly about what bothers her, she creates various psychodramas.
Quizzical at January 21, 2009 7:11 AM
Right on, Amy (and everyone else.) When I was a lot younger (18-20ish), I was a "one of the guys" chick... and I would NOT have wanted to date me.
ahw at January 21, 2009 7:35 AM
Ugh. I doubt this girl-woman would tolerate the equivalent of these little games if her boyfriend was playing them. One of the guys, my ass. It's embarrassing me just reading about her. I hope the LW finds himself a loving, grown-up woman.
Debra at January 21, 2009 7:36 AM
I could not agree more with Amy...
I am a Tomboy myself but I have never resorted to talking to my "buddies" this way. Their friendship means much more to me and I am just not so desperately needy that I feel I have to throw myself out to the wolves!
He needs to dump her. She is an insensitive jerk who thinks nothing of her BF and her male friend's wives.
Tomboy at January 21, 2009 7:38 AM
Ugh ... tacky, tacky, tacky. Hot beef injection? What is she, fifteen years old? How can he even continue feeling attracted to her? The way she talks to her guy friends, the feather boa nonsense, having them stay at her place and "maybe" try something - here is a true attention whore who thrives upon drama. How can this possibly be any fun? It would be so easy for him to find someone else who treats him better - because pretty much ANYONE else would. You really have to try hard to find this kind of crazy.
And Amy, this one was a real gem: "She's offended that you're offended. What a convenient way to never be wrong." I knew someone like this once. She was a real diarrhea-of-the-mouth case, and would blurt out whatever stupid thing popped into her pitiful excuse for a brain. It was like she had no social filter whatsoever. But if anyone called her on it, her response was that she is free to express her opinions, and if other people don't like it they should be more open-minded. As you said, what a convenient way to never be wrong. If that's the case, then there is no such thing as simple rudeness or bad manners, just "opinions." Well, you keep telling yourself that, honey, and don't bother asking why you never have a friendship that lasts longer than a few months.
Please comment in a day or two and tell us this guy got rid of the horrible twit.
Pirate Jo at January 21, 2009 8:16 AM
"How can this possibly be any fun?"
Cuckold fetishists would find her quite intriguing, I suspect, as there is a pretty good probability she is nailing other guys.
She is not bothering to explicitly tell her boyfriend third party nookie is on the relationship's menu...at least on the menu for *her*. But it appears she wants him to know she is up to something, and thus keeps dropping "confessions" regarding her antics until he clues in.
If the letter writer is not into this scene, he should exit with dignity and calm, so each party can find someone more suited to their wants.
My wild guess is the gal is still pretty into her old boyfriend, and letter writer is not clueing into this.
Spartee at January 21, 2009 8:31 AM
But it appears she wants him to know she is up to something, and thus keeps dropping "confessions" regarding her antics until he clues in.
What she wants is him worked up and jealous. She wants to know he is spending all of his time "thinking about her" - even if it's ripping his hair out thinking about her being with someone else.
She thrives on this nonsense. She's using him for emotional validation and will dump him for someone else when he's least expecting it. That way, he'll still pine for her while she's messing with another guy's hardwiring.
Conan the Grammarian at January 21, 2009 8:51 AM
She must be REALLY pretty, and the LW thinks she's too good for him. What else would explain his willingness to be humiliated this way?
If he wants, he should give her some of her own back. He should tell her that the British women find his sexy American accent irresistible, and a few of them have insisted on keeping him company in his hotel room-but honest honey, nothing happened!
Chrissy at January 21, 2009 9:03 AM
"after I threatened to walk"
If you have to threaten, it's already over.
Walk.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at January 21, 2009 10:27 AM
"Honest honey, she was too drunk to remember her address so I had to let her sleep in my bed
lujlp at January 21, 2009 10:44 AM
"He should tell her that the British women ... have insisted on keeping him company in his hotel room-but honest honey, nothing happened!"
Those English vixens! I..I feel so dirty, honey!
old rpm daddy at January 21, 2009 10:55 AM
I can't believe LW didn't dump her the minute she called one of her (sex)buddies a hot beef infection.
I love Wednesdays!
Kendra at January 21, 2009 11:16 AM
Ahh, my fellow men who can't see past the punani. Reminds me of a guy I knew who once said, "hey at least he's gettin some" regarding a mutual friend, only 2 years later same guy was himself getting some, with his single mom girlfriend turned wife with 2 step kids and 1 of his own, all in a year's time. Shame LW's lost his mind and dignity.
"Oh, whoops I just slipped and fell into his dick honey. I didn't mean it! It was an accident!". Truth or not, its the appearance of impropriety that shows her lack of caring. DTB.
Sio at January 21, 2009 12:08 PM
"Am I justified in thinking her behavior shows a lack of respect for me and our relationship?" STO
dude. you already answered your own Q? you don't need Amy or anyone else to tell you, because you already know it. So act like she doesn't already own your cajones and tell her done. You can't threaten, or compromise on this one. As time goes on it will get worse, and heavens forbid you have to give her the house and pay for another man's kids.
You know it's over, saddle up and move it. Oh, and change the locks, and assume she will be psycho after, 'cuz she'll get vindictive immediately. Bank on it.
SwissArmyD at January 21, 2009 12:37 PM
How could you possibly trust anyone like this??? She is out getting strange while you are just out, and then pulling the old "you can't tell me who I can hang out with" routine, and the "you just don't trust me" routine. We have all seen it before. She is trying to make you feel guilty while at the same time using you for a cushion while she tests the new cars on the lot (or, in this case, the old car)
But, as was said before, how was the sex? If it is mind-blowing, stick for awhile until you find something else more to your liking. If it is mediocre, kick her to the curb and go find something new.
I know, I know...two wrongs don't make a right...so sue me.
mike at January 21, 2009 1:41 PM
that's no fun. I hope he gets out. The sooner the better
Lily at January 21, 2009 5:22 PM
Maybe he could apply to stay in London longer... get away from the psycho girlfriend who could potentially become a psycho ex. That's what I would do.
Lily at January 21, 2009 5:29 PM
You may not always be treated as well as you wish to be, but you will be treated as poorly as you allow yourself to be.
My much younger, much less self-confident self was there once. You will later regret every second you wasted. There are other, better women you aren't meeting because you're with her.
Things can only go downhill, and you're not starting with much elevation. Leave, now.
MarkD at January 22, 2009 5:43 AM
Any girl who referred to me as her "hot beef injection" in any setting other than the privacy of our bedroom would find herself referred to as my "what was I thinking?" experience.
If someone wants to be crass, that's her problem. I won't let it be mine.
Some Guy at January 22, 2009 6:01 AM
her response was that she is free to express her opinions,
Yeah, I've had that conversation with a few overgrown adolescents in my time. My response has been "Yes, you're free to do so, but you're not free to decide how other people will react to you. If you put a lot of effort into coming across as a foul-mouthed idiot, people are going to treat you like a foul-mouthed idiot, and avoid your company. Other people are free, too."
Some Guy at January 22, 2009 6:05 AM
"Yes, you're free to do so, but you're not free to decide how other people will react to you."
Some Guy -- just out of curiousity, how do the overgrown adolescents react when you tell them this?
old rpm daddy at January 22, 2009 7:00 AM
He should be getting as much tail as possible in London. He's going to be accused of being unfaithful to her anyway, so he may as well do the crime. He'll of course have to tell her when he gets back, then she'll break up with him, and he'll be free! Maybe he shouldn't tell her, she sounds psycho-just break up when he gets back, with the bullshit line, you're too good for me!
Chrissy at January 22, 2009 11:14 AM
Run, run, run away. She's got an ex over TWO DAYS after you left? Change your cell phone number, move with no forwarding address, join the French Foreign Legion, but do NOT stay with this nitwit.
orthodoc at January 22, 2009 2:49 PM
Yeah .. she's playing LW for a fool.
DavidJ at January 23, 2009 1:01 AM
wow, it is deja vu all over again. I was NUTS over a woman with many similar external manifestations of probably the same underlying problem -- advanced insecurity coupled with severe inability to attach. The
"always being offended" is the real link. An incredible ability to keep you on the defensive. You can delude yourself into thinking this is the only tuna in the sea. But you are still delusional. Bail now, and see how fast your life improves.
scm at January 23, 2009 2:02 PM
Yea, I HAD a girlfriend who liked to be "just one of the guys" too. She was outgoing and seemed perfectly comfortable plopping down onto a guy friend's lap, or horsing around with them. They were like her "big brothers."
Eventually she fostered a crush on a guy, somehow ended up sleeping in the same bed with him one night (she was tired and didn't feel like walking home- sound familiar?), and by some innocent freak-accident she fooled around with him one night. I forgave her for it, and a year later we ended the relationship on good terms. AND GUESS WHO SHE POUNCED ON AFTERWARDS? Yep- one-night-stand boy, who she never really got over.
In my opinion, women who enjoy walking this edge of "guess what almost happened to me" are looking for an excuse to cheat and get away with it. If you think your self-esteem is bad now, wait till she DOES eventually cheat on you. Or don't wait... find a better woman.
jimbo at January 23, 2009 8:42 PM
It depends on one thing and one thing only; by any chance is she incredibly hot? I mean drop dead, take your breath away gorgeous?
If so, she's a keeper no matter how bad her behavior. It's worth it.
For at least a week or two. Maybe longer if she has hot friends and shows a willingness for the occasional threesome.
But you're going to move on. This isn't a keeper. I'd suggest NOT making a dramatic breakup, in fact don't really break up at all. Just bring your attention to a trickle, and with a little bi monthly maintenance (call, say hello) you can turn her into a booty call.
And then continue your quest to find a quality woman.
Dimitri at January 25, 2009 1:24 AM
that chick is what i like to call an attention whore. and those are usually the people with the lowest self esteem in the group. dump this chick and go find yourself someone who knows how to function in a relationship, and in everyday life with out having to be the sexual object of every man's desire.
Ms. Sassy at January 27, 2009 1:37 PM
Men will never, EVER get respect from women until they start dumping idiots like this. Kick her ass to the curb and man up, dude.
metalman at April 19, 2009 6:36 AM
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