Girls Just Wanna Have Funbags
I'm seriously considering breast augmentation. I had nice boobs (Cs) 60 pounds ago. I really miss them. My boyfriend says not to get implants for him; he likes me as I am. I'm doing this for me. I'm tired of bras that don't fit (straps too short, cups too close), and I really want a bikini-worthy bod. What do men think of implants? I'm not talking about going majorly top-heavy; I just want balance.
--Deflated
To your credit, you aren't hoping to achieve "balance" by having a couple of bowling balls inserted. No, you're thinking more along the lines of "Zen and the Art of Bolting Two Tennis Balls to Your Chest."
It's understandable, after weight training and Weight Watcher-ing yourself down to where you can wear a bikini instead of using it for an eye shield, that you'd like to fill it with "nice boobs." According to hundreds of comments from men on my blog and elsewhere, those are probably the ones you have, even if they are on the small side. The consensus? Bought breasts tend to feel hard and unnatural, and (eeuw!) a bit cold to the touch. Sure, some guys love big honkers so much, they don't mind if they're fake. And, even guys who don't like fake'uns will tell you they can look pretty boobtacular in a sweater. But, when they're naked or peeking out from triangles of Lycra, they tend to look freaky and make guys wonder what's wrong with you that you felt compelled to hire somebody to slit you open and insert sandwich baggies of salt water or silicone.
How much time, exactly, do you spend in a bikini? Got a day job traveling to convention centers and sitting on top of cars? Is your workstation a greased pole? Keep in mind that all surgery has risks. Just ask the Argentinean model who went under the knife to get a little extra junk in the trunk. Oh, sorry -- you can't because, in the words of her friend Robert Piazza, she's a woman who "had everything" but "lost her life to have a slightly firmer behind."
You're unlikely to die getting a little more junk in the top bunk, but you may suffer complications like a buildup of scar tissue, which can cause painful tissue contraction and -- whoops! -- deformed breasts. Mmmm, sexy! And then, like toupees and car tires, implants eventually need to be replaced. Maybe every 10 years; maybe more often if you're one of the lucky ones who springs a leak. (Are we having funbags yet?)
Given the potential costs of breast augmentation, you might first try bra augmentation. Maybe even see a breast psychic. Okay, there's no such thing, but the little old Eastern European ladies at bra specialty stores come close. You can walk in bundled up like Nanook of the North, and Ludmilla will march over, bark your size at you (the size you really wear, not the size you think you wear), and strap and cup you until you almost believe somebody at the gym turned in what you lost on the treadmill.
Still find yourself yearning for a surgeon's touch? Do your homework, and be sure you can accept the worst-case scenarios; for example, how the advice by flight attendants -- "Use caution when opening overhead compartments. Objects may shift in flight" -- applies to those considering implants, which can also become displaced. In other words, if you buy yourself new boobs, you're sure to have guys ogling them, but possibly just from the rear.








LW - don't do it. Fine, they look good when you're dressed, but when the lights and the clothes are off who cares... I've been working in a place where the local strip clubs are very liberal about touching, and Amy is absolutely correct, the fakes are very obvious. Plus from what I've heard you can lose sensation from the surgery - I would rather someone with small boobs who arches their back when their nipples are teased than have a big handful of rock hard but unresponsive pretend breasts.
But I understand your concern, my ex slimmed down (unnecessarily and without trying) and had to buy new bras and so on, and yes I did mourn the loss of my beautiful DD toys. But on balance I preferred someone who no matter what size they were could actually feel it when you touch them.
"I'm doing this for me."
No, you're doing it because you think other people will like it. If your bf is happy - leave well enough alone. And get someone to fit your underwear properly, go somewhere where they know what they are doing and you'll be comfortable again.
If you're really worried, you can always send us a photo and we'll give you a rating :)
Ltw at February 23, 2010 2:40 PM
My best friend got implants last year, and she's already had several surgeries, one to replace her right implant that had come out of its proper spot and a few others to remove scar tissue. Each surgery came with a recovery time of about 12 days during which she was not allowed to lift anything heavy, which was not great for her because she has a little boy who loves nothing more than to have his mommy pick him up.
Amy, you gave great advice here per usual. My friend doesn't seem to regret her implants or her surgeries and likes how her breasts look now, but she also spent three years researching the pros and cons, consulting surgeons, and deciding if this was right for her. I hope the LW follows your advice and thinks carefully about her decision.
kali at February 23, 2010 3:08 PM
Yes, they can be hard, and yes they can be cold. Neither of which are especially appealing. Besides, the people who will notice you with larger breasts (but wouldn't have normally) are probably not the people you want noticing you. I know this might not apply in this specific case, but it's something to think about. Also, as the rest of your body ages (sorry, but it happens) those things done, which is a little...unsettling.
James at February 23, 2010 4:22 PM
Oops, should read:
"..those things "don't", which is...
James at February 23, 2010 4:24 PM
She might get a consultation about just getting a lift. Weight loss can make the girls pretty droopy, but a good surgeon can hoist 'em up without any extra padding.
If you're going to do it--take a look at www.badplasticsurgery.com to see what to avoid.
KateC at February 23, 2010 4:40 PM
If you want them, get them. That your boyfriend doesn't think you need them should mean no more than it would if you were happy as you were and he DID think you needed them. Do what you want. My mom and Aunt have them, have had for 15 and 30 years, respectively, with no issues. They love them. If you DON"T want them but think you "need" them, don't get them. Your body, do what you want with it!
momof4 at February 23, 2010 4:47 PM
I like KateCs opinion. A nice breast lift could be a nice option to implants. The writer doesn't mention how big she is now, but it's quite possible those Cs might make her look a little "chestier" (?) than when she was carrying the extra weight.
karen at February 23, 2010 6:53 PM
LW, if you are going to get them, lay out the funds to have it done by a top-drawer surgeon. Don't try to get it done on the cheap. There's nothing that looks worse than a bad boob job.
Cousin Dave at February 23, 2010 7:18 PM
I will go with Amy and Ltw here, get someone to do a proper bra fitting. I watch those episodes of Oprah and the like where these women are wearing the complete wrong bra (like with sagging and boob spillage) and it makes a huge difference in how your breasts look in clothes. For the bikini, there is more than one type out there. Find one that has the shape and support you need. I am not saying do it or don't do it, but finding a better bra is considerably cheaper and less potentially scarring than augmentation, so it should be a first step before surgery.
And James, talk about unsettling: http://images.2dayfm.com.au/2010/01/27/336069/ENT-Donatella-Topless-stars-gallery.jpg
WARNING: Not Safe For Work! Or really for anyone that looks more than two seconds and values his eyesight (and this is the censored version).
NumberSix at February 23, 2010 7:41 PM
The LW might be interested in a new surgical device that's known as the Breform. It's not an implant, it's a surgical mesh form that was originally developed for breast reduction procedures that supports and contours the breasts under the fatty layer of tissue. The results are apparently very good, both aesthetically and tactilely.
Jack Macey at February 23, 2010 8:02 PM
If one does deciede to get them, be sure to find an excellant surgeon. The surgeon can make a huge difference in the outcome.
I was strongly of the opinion that I did not like fake boobs. Then I dated a woman who had them and I could not tell at all.
The Former Banker at February 24, 2010 12:32 AM
The best bra I've ever discovered for girls with big'uns?
Empreinte. They cost like a car payment, and they're worth every cent.
http://www.empreinte.eu/en/empreinte-bras-key-points.php
Amy Alkon at February 24, 2010 12:48 AM
"I'm doing this for me" is a weird thing to say about invasive surgery. Do men ever say that? Even if they know it's true, do they ever say "This is something I do for myself" when they get hair plugs or shoe-lifts or man-girdles or grow weird facial hair?
(Or tats and piercings? Probably...)
(Or sports cars or mistresses? Certainly...)
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at February 24, 2010 1:02 AM
Crid, I've often felt that "I'm doing this for me" in reference to cosmetic surgery is only half the statement. It really is something like "I'm doing this for me...because I want my husband to find me attractive again," or "...because people are treating me differently now that I have these wrinkles around my eyes and mouth," or, in the case of the LW, "...because I lost the weight but didn't fully gain the self-esteem, so this is something else external to fix."
NumberSix at February 24, 2010 1:23 AM
Yeah, I know, but they don't say that....
This is one of a hundred little freak-O fibs, jargon-y bits of true-ish sounding voodoo, that people use to make bad things sound like virtue.
I forget, is vanity one of the Seven Deadlies?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at February 24, 2010 2:17 AM
Another thing she might consider: boyfriend says he likes her as she is.
She tampers too much, and he could decide to take a walk. Donald Trump couldn't vilify Ivana's fake boobs enough before he kicked her to the curb.
Patrick at February 24, 2010 2:25 AM
I had a good friend considering a reduction (Ds, to Es when pregnant) because of back problems.
I finally convinced her to try a new bra and the droopiness is not a problem. Most guys don't care.
Jim P. at February 24, 2010 3:05 AM
OMG that photo of Donatella Versace nearly had me clawing my eyes out. Fake boobs, hair bleached to within an inch of its life, lips blown up to resemble Daisy Duck, burnt to a crisp and now obviously stomach banding. What the hell does that woman see when she looks in the mirror. It's obviously not what we see.
GMan at February 24, 2010 3:44 AM
I can't imagine my tastes differ radically from any other guy's, but here's my take: Breast size is only part of attractiveness, and not a terribly major part. Things like looking after your health, carrying yourself properly, or being pleasant and sincere are bigger parts of attractiveness than how you fill a sweater.
That said, if you really want to go ahead with it, note all the comments above, and make sure you get the best surgeons you can.
old rpm daddy at February 24, 2010 4:27 AM
"I'm doing it for me," is not always a half truth. I had my breasts fixed a few years back. Between weight loss, 3 children, and genetics, mine literally hung below my navel. Think about the old lady in There's Something About Mary or any cover of National Geographic. I made a decision to get mine lifted with a small implant to look natural and it was for me. I was single at the time and not looking for a man, but I was tired of taking off my bra at night and having to pick my boobs up off the floor. My advice would be to anyone wanting to do it would be to ask around to other women who have had it done. Look at how they look and how they feel and then make sure the surgeon you choose is board certified.
Kristen at February 24, 2010 4:37 AM
Jim most guys dnt care about size but we do care about droopiness
lujlp at February 24, 2010 5:30 AM
"She tampers too much, and he could decide to take a walk."
Or he could become crazy insecure and possessive. I've seen this happen when a woman gets implants, especially if the man she's with is already happy with her breasts. Often, the guy will take it that she's doing it to get attention from other males...and sometimes, this is true. Fake boobs do attract men's eyes, even if they don't look or feel that great out of clothes. Men can't help but stare at them, and that attention can bring out the worst in some women, causing them to flirt and show them off at every opportunity. This can be very hard on a relationship.
lovelysoul at February 24, 2010 5:37 AM
I agree kristen-saggy boobs are damned uncomfortable for the person who owns them. I'm getting a tummy tuck. Not for ANYONE but me. I want SOME part of my body/life to look like "me" again-not a mom of 4 kids.
momof4 at February 24, 2010 5:39 AM
Good luck with the tummy tuck, Momof4. I can understand completely why you'd want to do that after having kids. For me, my tummy was never great but didn't bother me the way my boobs did, but there are others who like you miss having a flat stomach or can't get rid of the excess skin or flab that comes from having kids. Why shouldn't you do it if it makes you feel better? We're not talking about extremes like some of these women who go crazy and do too much surgery.
Many of the arguments against plastic surgery come from people basing it the Hollywood way of doing it to an extreme or from seeing people who've had bad surgery. I doubt that you or I are in danger of becoming that young girl who just had 30 procedures at 23. I have never regretted having my boobs fixed and because I went with a very natural look, people wouldn't know unless I told them. It is amazing to me how much better I feel since having them put where they belong.
Kristen at February 24, 2010 6:08 AM
As a male I agree fake boobs can turn heads in a bikini or dress with a plunging neckline but how often do you really wear those as Amy said.
Me and my guy friends, mostly in our 40's, prefer the real deal.
Also, we have come to the conclusion that most women who get "rubber titties" have major insecurity issues that can't be solved by fake boobs.
In fact one of our rules is never marry a woman that has or wants fake boobs. The ones we have all experienced have been head cases.
Tummy tucks are different as you aren't artificially inserting anything permanent in the body.
David M. at February 24, 2010 6:37 AM
Reading this, I am struck again that although being a guy sucks at 15-16 as compared to being a gal in that age range, men get compensated for that teen angst with a much easier path later in life as compared to women.
Spartee at February 24, 2010 7:17 AM
M4, I had a tummy tuck, and it's one of the best things I ever did. Just do your homework and find a surgeon that won't leave you with a big scar. I'll be happy to recommend mine if you want to come to FL. He's the best...and he's pretty cute too.
lovelysoul at February 24, 2010 7:17 AM
Unless she is going surgical reconstruction, the boyfriend should take a hike if she goes forward. He told her he likes them they way they are.
She wants them for herself. That is not true. She wants them so other guys will find her attractive and give her attention.
She probably wants an upgrade from the old boyfriend.
I personally hate fake breasts. I prefer tiny to any saline bags.
David H at February 24, 2010 7:26 AM
Wow. There's a LOT of hostility toward elective surgery here.
A competent surgeon can put in implants with reasonable safety and an attractive, realistic result.
If it's what you want, go for it. But listen to the surgeon and abide by his recommendation. Most of the bad boob jobs you see are the result of women insisting on the wrong implant type and size for their body.
Bill McNutt at February 24, 2010 8:09 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2010/02/girls-just-wann.html#comment-1697569">comment from Bill McNuttBill, all surgery comes with risks, and I laid out what they are. I have an epidemiologist who talks to me about how to read studies, medical risk, and related topics. I didn't put this in the column, because it's from a cohort study, with a small association, but there is an association nevertheless, between connective tissue disease and implants. And not just breast implants, either. Hip implants, penis implants, etc.
I thought, at one point, of getting a breast reduction, but it seemed better bras and better posture were a much better idea, vis a vis the risks.
There's a word, iatrogenesis, meaning when medical care messes you up. I'm not one of those ant-modern medicine/anti-pharm people by any stretch of the imagination. But, medical procedures almost always (or always) come with risks, and people should be mindful of them.
I was telling a friend with Crohn's disease the other day about JV Weinstock's pig whipworm solution in Gatorade, that sees remission in maybe 75 percent of Crohn's patients. The problem? The worms infest in a very, very small number of people, and those people need chemo to cure them of the cure. As I told my friend, people always think, "Oh, small number, okay, no problem." Well, not if you're one of the small number. And I was one of that small number who get really fucked by what's called "conscious sedation" (anesthesia that's supposed to be mild). Lost a good deal of memory for three weeks and had cognitive diminishment. It was terrifying.
Amy Alkon
at February 24, 2010 8:27 AM
I too am one of those people who always seems to be the "one in a million" who gets crazy side effects. Not from surgery, as I've been lucky to need only minor dental stuff so far, but from medications--a common antianxiety drug gave me seizures, another made me scary suicidal. So I am a big proponent of reading *all* the studies.
Many, many years ago in college, I did actually work at a topless bar. I was the wacky grad student paying off my student loans (more common than you'd think), but there were a lot of "career" strippers there too, and I saw so many boob-job horror stories. Breasts that became seriously deformed and needed multiple corrective surgeries. Breasts that got major scar tissue and became as hard as rocks, girls who said they lost all nipple sensation, couldn't breastfeed when they got pregnant years after surgery, etc. I'm sure the technology is better now (this was 20 years ago) but still. I had idly considered it before, as a wide-hipped B-cup (thought it would "balance" my body), but quickly realized that was a really dumb idea.
To be fair, some of the women loved their implants, and really did seem like they'd done it for themselves (whatever that means) rather than to make big bucks, please a man, whatever. But they also seemed like the minority, and we've hardly kept in touch after my year of living toplessly. Who knows how the feel about them now . . .
anathema at February 24, 2010 9:19 AM
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that breast implants have a 10 year expiration date. About once every 10 years you have to go back in and have them replaced. So, this isn't a single surgery that will resolve your issue and you move forward...this is a commitment to the maintenance of a foreign object in your body for your lifetime.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_often_do_you_have_to_replace_your_breast_implants
I'm not saying don't get them, I'm only saying go in with your eyes wide open and understand the possible risks and obligations.
-Julie
JulieW at February 24, 2010 9:21 AM
And I was one of that small number who get really fucked by what's called "conscious sedation" (anesthesia that's supposed to be mild). Lost a good deal of memory for three weeks and had cognitive diminishment. It was terrifying.
I had a sedation issue as a teen. When docs fully put you under, they give you two types of drug...one type that freezes your muscles, another type that forces you to sleep and forget aspects of the surgery. Well, the type of sedation that freezes your muscles worked just fine, but they didn't get me fully asleep, so I was awake and couldn't move/scream/get anyone's attention for a good portion of the surgery. Luckily I passed out a little while into the surgery.
Anesthesia issues are much more common that people realize. Although I fully support a person having the right to get elective surgery, I can't say that I understand it.
-Julie
JulieW at February 24, 2010 9:52 AM
Keep it real, baby.
Roger at February 24, 2010 9:55 AM
Wow, there are a lot of fucked up comments here about where she should or should not have it done in relation to what her boyfriend thinks. If he leaves her because she has it done, he's a douche, just as he'd be a douche if he left her because she didn't have it done. Because guess what? There's more to her than her boobs.
IT'S HER BODY. It doesn't MATTER what her reasons are, if she's truly doing it for herself or for other reasons, IT'S HER BODY and he has no say over it. All this shit about 'she shouldn't do it because he might get jealous of the attention she'd get' and 'he should leave her because she just wants attention from other men' is just about blatant manipulating and controlling.
Anne de Vries at February 24, 2010 11:09 AM
Oh, I didn't mean to imply she shouldn't have it done, Anne. It is her body and her choice. I just meant that she should be aware that it could change her boyfriend's behavior. I have an aquaintance who is going through a divorce now because, after she had it done, her husband became very jealous and was always calling, asking her where she was, etc. She couldn't deal with his paranoia...but she likes her new boobs. lol
I've also seen women who almost became totally different people afterwards, and they dump the guy they're with. That may be something they really wanted to do before but lacked the confidence.
All I'm saying is that it changes things from both a physical and psychological aspect.
lovelysoul at February 24, 2010 11:25 AM
I get that we're not talking about regulating anything here, and I agree a person should know and understand all the risks, but if the risk is around the same as, let's say choking on a piece of hot dog, its probably a safe risk.
Sure you could be the one in a million to suffer the severe reaction, but remember that you're not statistically important...although we'll all feel terrible for you.
moreta at February 24, 2010 11:32 AM
yeah, moreta, but if you choke on a dog, somebody might try the heilich and help out...
you have a reaction to surgery, and assuming you don't die, the effects can be lifelong. The risk isn't little.
SwissArmyD at February 24, 2010 11:35 AM
I think as long as she doesn't get these funbags http://www.myspace.com/dfunbags implanted, she'll be okay!
Flynne at February 24, 2010 12:02 PM
So we have: "IT'S HER BODY and he has no say over it. " But then we also have: "If he leaves her because she has it done, he's a douche, just as he'd be a douche if he left her because she didn't have it done."
So he has no control over her body. Granted. But then she gets to have total control over how he's allowed to react to it? Sounds like a double standard to me. Not to mention wishful thinking.
Cousin Dave at February 24, 2010 12:09 PM
Anne de Vries,
The way you are viewing this issue seems very one sided to me.
On the one hand you state that this woman has every right to do with her body as she sees fit and doesn't have to answer to anyone for the decisions she makes. She doesn't even have to take her significant others opinion into account so far as your logic goes. He can simply be ignored entirely.
Yet on the other hand you state that whatever decision she ultimately makes, he has to be pleased with it and satisfied with her choice otherwise he is a "douche".
This isn't how healthy adult relationships work. While we all certainly have a fundamental right to decide what medical procedures we submit to and which ones we do not, we also have a responsibility to include the important people in our lives in the decision making process. They act as our advisory board so to speak. By cutting them out of the process entirely and declaring that their opinion doesn't count you effectively marginalize them and make it clear that your relationship philosophy is “my way or the high way”. Furthermore, if they happen to have a strong opinion on the matter you are asserting that they are a "douche" when you have no idea what their rationale might be, I can imagine several legitimate arguments against breast augmentation.
While I don't see a reason why this sort of thing should be a deal breaker in a relationship, maybe he would have very valid reasons for deciding to end a relationship over this issue (particularly if he felt as if he wasn't being heard and that his opinion on the matter was not treated with the proper amount of consideration, which is the course of action you are suggesting).
Sometimes things are less about control and more about being involved in the important decisions your long term partner is making. Just because you are willing to hear someone out doesn’t mean they are telling you what to do.
Kara at February 24, 2010 12:10 PM
I read that George Clooney really didn't want that cocktail waitress he was living with not long ago to have breast implants. She got them anyway, and they coincidentally broke up around the same time. For men who are really opposed to them, and don't like the look or feel, it could be a dealbreaker.
I agree with you, Kara, that there should be discussion and a woman should weigh her partner's feelings. It's ultimately her choice, and if it really means enough to her, she should go ahead.
My ex said the lose skin on my tummy after kids didn't bother him, but it REALLY bothered me. I can honestly say it was something I wanted for myself. And he supported me, even helping me pick the surgeon.
Implants would've been different though, as he doesn't like them. I think it would be a difficult choice to make if your partner was vehemently opposed. Breasts aren't just another part of the body. They do have that sexual componant, so in a long-term relationship, you'd have to weigh how the surgery might effect your sex life.
I don't think a guy would necessarily be a "douche" for leaving, any more than he would be if she gained 50 pds. We owe it to our partners to try to stay attractive to them.
lovelysoul at February 24, 2010 12:30 PM
I would seriously consider the health risks and the expense - if there are problems or adjustments to be made how important is this vanity surgery going to become in her life? I have thought about some surgery as I near 55, but have a host of issues like anasthesia, replacement costs if something goes wrong, replacement issues with time, basic surgical dangers like bleeding, bruising...seems more practical to go to the gym, age somewhat gracefully, spend the $ on nice travel. Many of us are hypercritical of our own looks, in my experience women (and some men) are obsessive...after a couple bouts with anorexia I learned to blur my eyes when I stare in the gym mirror...
zapf at February 24, 2010 12:50 PM
It occurs to me that we tend to gloss some of the image issues that go along with this, for well or ill. When you look out from yourself, d'ya see anything? Is your chest a point of reference in your peripheral vision? Caring about how you look is vis-a-vis how the OTHER sees you. We have a really rough guesstimate of what others see in us, colored by the lenses of how we want to be seen and how we think we are seen. But we have to look in a mirror to find it. This completely skews what we see. So we walk through this life with some sort of generalization of what we look like, and we may be happy with some or more of what we are.
But if we want to change it, why? Because we think other people will like it more? We ARE doing that for a positive outcome for ourselves, but it is the other person who sees what we are trying to do.
So great. So what?
So when a person doesn't like something about themselves, friends an neighbors can support a positive change, but this goes by degrees. You wanna go on the stairs to tighten up those glutes? Great, more power to you. You want someone to implant a monster in your pants? Dude, we gotta talk.
Where does augmentation fall? Well, prolly closer to the monster than the stairstepper. Though cosmetic surgery is as safe as most surgery, humans in general don't understand risk very well. but especially they don't understand TIME. Like getting the tattoo of your boyfrined's name on your bum, and then breaking up with him... the risks have to be understood against the backdrop of time. The surgery iteslf has it's own set of risks associated. When I had my tonsils and uvula out, it was a medical thing, and fairly routine. But that didn't stop me from updating my will. But now that I'm healed up? There need be no periodic maintenance, and it doesn't change how I feel about myself. It was a medical thing.
So let's talk feelings, and the loss thereof. And Time, naturally. LW seems to be implicitly saying that she didn't like those extra 60#, but she did like the stack that came with them. It's fair to say that there is a large bodychange coming with a loss of that much weight, especially since skin can stretch, but it doesn't go right back. LW doesn't say how she feels in her skin but that might well lead to a tempered POV about here weight loss.
So now with feeling, and how others feel about you. Unless you are completely alone, how your significant other feels about how you look means something to you. The rub is that they are constrained by the law of truth about what they can say. Unintentionally telling someone that you don't mind the stretchmarks, lets them know that the stretchmarks have been noticed. You can imagine how that feels to both parties. She asks you how noticable they are, and you start nibbling on her neck to divert her attention. Time. We all know time is taking a toll. If you love someone you accept that, as you hope they accept that in you. If they just lost 60#, they look fabulous! but it wasn't without consequence.
This is where the LW's significant other is really important. He says he is fine with her new svelt rack, but is he paying significant attention to them, or does she assume he is just saying that to make her feel better? Here we have gotten into a minefield about feelings for both of them. He is not saying everything he knows or feels because he may not know exactly how she will react. If he seems the least bit insincere, even if she is imagining it, she wont believe what he says.
This is where paying more PHYSICAL attention bridges what you don't have words to say. Just saying you like her the way she is, is different than showing that as well. Touching her in this way is communication too.
This time we aren't talking about feelings, but how things feel. We aren't talking about guys leering in a bar or on a beach, either. If you have these foreign objects put into you, how will that change how you react to being touched? This is another risk, to put in the risk column. Along with the scars, the potential lifespan of the implant and so forth... What're the odds that there will be nerve damage done over time with those operations? Will every time change how you feel about your chest? Seems like it would have to, because every time you are operated on, they have to cut you open, and then you have to heal up. If you do this at 30, you are going to do it again 3 or 4 more times in the best case. Or you are going to wait until on fails, and then hope you don't get really sick, before you can get it fixed. EACH TIME you will be taking the whole risk of the surgery, the healing and the aftermath. Significant others may come and go, but this is your body, the temple of you. You have to live with it.
A lot of people in these situations think to themselves: "I want this outcome, and I'll just deal with the consequences." while failing to even think of what all the consequences might be. And how those consequences CHANGE what the outcome actually is.
SwissArmyD at February 24, 2010 1:35 PM
Very sensible, lovelysoul. And I totally understand the "doing it for me" point of view, because it matters to women (most of us) how we look. I can understand how she feels about clothes not fitting right, as I am petite but have large-ish (36C) breasts for my size. I can't wear cute little triangle or halter tops, most strapless dresses (unless I want them bagging around my waist and hips), or really anything that requires going braless (mine don't stand up straight by themselves). A lot of clothes I think are cute don't fit me, or look more boobtastic on me than on my slimmer friends. But I think this statement of the LW's is quite telling: I really want a bikini-worthy bod. This really does sound like a self-esteem issue to me. She mentions that she lost 60 pounds, so good for her. But carrying around 60 extra pounds tends to carry with it self-confidence problems, and the LW sounds like she has not gotten that back in full yet. The bras-not-fitting argument is not a valid one, as a bra can be made to fit anyone, and since the LW went down from a C, it will not require major engineering. Get a better bra so that you will look better in clothes, continue working out and being healthy, and then see where you are in a few months.
NumberSix at February 24, 2010 1:45 PM
Where's my fucking jockstrap?
Ken at February 24, 2010 1:55 PM
The quality of boob jobs is much higher today. No hard tits etc. They look great.
What's not to like?
BOTU at February 24, 2010 2:15 PM
She might not be so insecure, she might really just want to show off her body in a bikini. I've known several women who've lost a lot of weight and they're proud of it, and some have wanted to show off a bit.
minni at February 24, 2010 2:22 PM
I went out with a woman who had fakes. They looked good but felt like granite. I figured out they were fake before she told me. They were such a turn-off and indicative of her shallowness that I stopped seeing her.
And for that she called *me* shallow. Irony.
TJM at February 24, 2010 3:38 PM
I'm the LW and decided against the surgery. I had a month to think about it and Amy kindly shared some previous posts on the subject. I thought long and hard about the physical changes it will bring and decided that it's just not worth the risk and the follow up replacement surgery. The girls are small (A+ cup)but at least they're not sagging; they're looking better to me now that I've passed the mourning stage. I think anyone considering this procedure should consider the possiblity that they might be grieving their diminished bra size. I'm sticking to the tankini, more comfortable in that anyway. Oh, and my boyfriend's a keeper. I want to do what I can to help him feel that way about me. thanks for sharing your opinions!
ju2144 at February 24, 2010 4:49 PM
> As a male I agree fake boobs can turn heads
> in a bikini or dress
Here's an analogy: Consider the cars driven by mechanically-inclined teenagers who like to cruise the main drag with a car that has a bass-throbbing rap songs through a loudspeaker.
The low-frequency thump makes you turn your head, just as the perky chest of the woman in the bank makes you glance up. These responses are in the animal neurology of the human brain: We turn to the noise because it might be a threat or a melody, and we turn to the woman because she might be a partner or a beauty.
But twenty milliseconds later we know the thump is not gonna be musical, just as we know the bogus tits aren't going to be about sex. The attraction of the stimulus has been coarsely oversold.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at February 24, 2010 5:59 PM
It's funny that everyone's so passionate for and against the boob job. If I had the cash I'd spend it on zapping my spider veins. But you know what? I've seen some pretty spectacular plastic surgery that really did work as advertised, but surprisingly enough, the woman didn't really look any BETTER afterwards. She'd had liposuction, a tummy tuck, and had the huge puffy bags under her eyes reduced. When I saw her new look for the first time, the first thought I had was, "Man she's been doing Pilates!" because as you know, posture and core tone has a lot to do with whether the body volume that you have looks strong or saggy.
It was strange that she didn't look better to me even when the puffiness under her eyes was gone. I saw her under fluorescent tube lights, the worst possible light for anyone who wants to look like a living, breathing being rather than an exhumed corpse. Those T-12 fluorescents are totally unforgiving about stuff like basic skin tone, and maybe that's why her face still looked 55 years old somehow.
Maybe it was her habitual expression of being closed off that turned me off. She definitely viewed other women as social competition and was very guarded, never looked like she was glad to see anyone. I think if she'd worn a smile it would have gone a lot farther than surgery towards making her look attractive, but what do I know.
vi at February 24, 2010 6:21 PM
LW, thanks for coming back to let us know what happened. Glad to hear the girls aren't sagging! I think that is more important a lot of times than sheer size, anyway. And I say, if you're feeling it, go for the bikini, just make sure to get one that fits your shape.
NumberSix at February 24, 2010 7:22 PM
"All this shit about 'she shouldn't do it because he might get jealous of the attention she'd get' and 'he should leave her because she just wants attention from other men'"
A bit of an overreaction to a couple of comments out of 53...
crella at February 25, 2010 2:11 AM
It's funny that everyone's so passionate for and against the boob job.
People on this blog are passionate for and against tapioca pudding.
MonicaP at February 25, 2010 7:45 AM
tapioca pudding sucks, and every last package of it should be destroyed
lujlp at February 25, 2010 8:41 AM
Here's a good reason to get implants:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/health/Doctor-Claims-Size-D-Implants-Saved-Womans-Life-85344552.html
kishke at February 25, 2010 8:43 AM
Thanks for the update, LW! Glad to hear you kept your boobs! My sister got implants a couple of years ago. She found a plastic surgeon with an excellent reputation. I have never gotten used to them. They look fake to me. She had me touch them and they felt like the consistency of a large Dot (remember the gumdrop candy in the yellow box?). I loved her just the way she was, and I wish she could've, too. Long live real boobs!
Sister of a boob buyer at February 25, 2010 9:02 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2010/02/girls-just-wann.html#comment-1697783">comment from kishkeI used to be good friends with two neuroradiologists, and we were supposed to have lunch one day, but one couldn't because a woman had crashed her car and exploded her implants.
Amy Alkon
at February 25, 2010 9:25 AM
Anne de Vries: If he leaves her because she has it done, he's a douche,
No, he isn't. He's a man. Male sexuality is about the visuals. If he likes her breasts the way they are, he's allowed not to like them if she changes them.
Patrick at February 25, 2010 9:59 AM
"tapioca pudding sucks, and every last package of it should be destroyed"
Bullshit. Tapioca pudding is the only thing standing between us and the evils of both cell phone radiation and fluoridated water. If we ban tapioca pudding, the terrorists have won!
Cousin Dave at February 25, 2010 12:19 PM
If he leaves her because she has it done, he's a douche
This is the same argument that says a man should still find his girlfriend/wife attractive even though she gained a lot of weight. It's not different just because supposedly all men want their girlfriends' boobs bigger or "it's her body, she can do what she wants with it." It would be different if she had the implants when he met her and they got together anyway, just like it would be different if she was carrying around 60 extra pounds when he met her. It is her body, but not the one she had when they started dating. Making a major physical change like that affects him, too, and he's allowed to not like it.
NumberSix at February 25, 2010 12:42 PM
NumberSix, you made my point better than I did. You have a relationship with someone based on who they are, and if they intentionally make fundamental changes to the things about them that you like, you may find that you just aren't attracted to them anymore, and that's that. The equivalent opposite situation would be a woman who marries a man who has a good-paying, high-status job. And then one day he decides he wants to ditch it all and go play drums in a band. She may find that she's no longer attracted to him, because he fundamentally changed one of the things that she found attractive.
Cousin Dave at February 25, 2010 3:03 PM
ahhhhhhhhhh,
But, can anybody enlighten me, ... How do you tell when yogurt goes bad?
Ken at February 25, 2010 3:21 PM
"How do you tell when yogurt goes bad?"
When it gets a bunch of bad tats, holds its Glock sideways and starts addressing cartons of acidophilus milk as "Yo, my kefir!".
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at February 25, 2010 6:54 PM
Gog, you win.
NumberSix at February 25, 2010 7:36 PM
Good advice!
Fake boobs are a waste of money, unless you work in porn or Hollywood. Pretty much the same thing.
They do look killer in clothes, but the minute we see they don't look real, it's a big turn off!
Your site was one of the ones we gave props to with our post today. Enjoy!
One of the Guys at March 1, 2010 11:10 AM
"I really want a bikini-worthy bod"
You know, it just has to be said, and forgive the all caps, but this is important:
YOU HAVE A BIKINI WORTHY BODY.
I don't know you, but I know that everybody, absolutely *everybody* is somebody's fantasy. When you walk down the street, there are always going to be people who want to DO you and people who want to BE you, no matter what you look like.
You don't need anybody's approval or permission to wear a bikini, but if you WANT it, there you go.
afurrica at March 3, 2010 4:06 PM
Basically women today feel like that if they don't look like Elisha Cuthbert in a bikini they're worthless. Hollywood is evil that way.
Crusader at March 6, 2010 6:59 PM
Not entirely Hollywood's fault, though, Crusader. I'm slim, but I don't exactly have the body of a Hollywood starlet (and I don't have the means to pay for the maintenance), and I don't think I'm worthless. What I do have is a sense of self. More women should look into that.
NumberSix at March 8, 2010 10:54 PM
My friend J just got implants recently because she wanted to be a bit bigger. She was absolutely gorgeous before. ( No Im not her boyfriend) I told her before that if she was getting them for a guy she shouldnt do it at all but she insisted that she was doing it for herself. I have seen them before and soon after and she does look nice in a sweater but they were definately NOT needed. If I was her boyfriend Id have been more adamant about it but as it staned Im her friend, I love her as she is and see no reason to change her.
Jack W at March 9, 2010 9:41 AM
I had a lump surgically removed from my breast about 7 years ago, and i can attest to the fact that scar tissue is a huge issue. The lump was a non-malignant tumor, the size of a mandarin orange.
Years later, there are some days my scar and the scar tissue below it just throbs and burns and is so sore. Of course, i am glad the lump was removed, and even more glad that it was non-cancerous.
For anyone thinking they want their body reconstructed just for the heck of it, please rethink your motives. Every time you have surgery, you tempt fate. Unnecessary surgeries are definitely life-threatening. Some people have such unheard of complications. Some die because the world of plastic surgery is so full of posers. Breast augmentation is NOT a necessity.
When i look at women in bikinis, i can immediately tell if the breasts are fake. I'm sure i don't stand alone in that realm. An objective opinion: they look odd at best. My first thought: why did she do that? Amy is right: you spend such a small fraction of your time in a bikini, why submit to such drastic measures? But even if you do spend your entire day in a bikini, who would want cold and hard over warm and snuggly?
Bluejean Baby at March 9, 2010 7:18 PM
Just a little known fact for the LW. If she wishes to be creamated on her passing. She disqualifies herself (in many states) by getting implants.
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Buy Acidophilus Pearls at July 21, 2010 9:12 AM
To tell you the truth, I think people who say they can always tell implants from real just by looking are lying. I've been asked several times if mine are real. Not that it's those people's business, but yeah, mine are. I just happen to be a very curvy 145 lbs, with Ds. I'm also short, so people think that mine aren't real, especially when I wear a swimsuit, cuz I fill them out well, and to put it bluntly, I'm "perky". So, being me, I think implants are a total waste. Besides, look at how many guys, who, when they're really honest, would rather go for the girl with real ones. Like one of the 1st commenters said, he'd rather the girl with little boobies arched her back when he touched her nipple, rather than handfuls with no sensation. Is it really worth the risk of loosing sensation? I totally don't think so!
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@cowgirl "To tell you the truth, I think people who say they can always tell implants from real just by looking are lying"
Ha, well, fwiw, I used to do those 'fake or real, can you tell' type online quizzes, and I'd consistently score 100% .. so I consider myself good at telling fake from real. But honestly, you CAN'T always tell, and certainly not with clothes on .. even a bikini can make it slightly harder to to tell (it depends also how it's been done - sometimes it's obvious, sometimes it's quite subtle). (It probably helps that I've studied anatomy for figurative drawing and painting - that helps one pay closer attention to the subtleties of shape and form.)
I think the best breast implants are those that enhance in a subtle way. I don't think there are any fixed rules as to whether naturals are 'better' than augmented, I think it depends on the specifics of each situation. Big breasts are generally more *eye-catching*, yes, but 'eye-catching' doesn't always necessarily translate to 'looking better' (it may or may not). And even a woman with a flat chest can have eye-catching sex appeal.
Side note, I think ALL breasts are "real" - I think the term "fake" is silly and promotes a kind of incorrect conceptualization of a woman's attributes that leads some people to say silly things.
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