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Girl Magnet Or Girl Deterrent?

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So...what's your take, ladies, on men who wear their team spirit while not at the game? Giant foam thumbs up or giant foam thumbs down?

P.S. The vagina-less should feel free to weigh in, too. Men, that is.

Posted by aalkon at August 12, 2007 1:44 PM

Comments

15 years ago I was working seasonally at a unionized network, which meant a lot of money but no security to vacation relievers such as myself. The shop steward was a guy who'd been a marine in 'Nam, an extreme masculine hardass. As Clinton was being elected and having his draft evasions dissected, I asked what he thought about it. He didn't much care. "People stop caring about stuff after a few years. Some people spent the 1960's a Packer fans, but they don't worry about it anymore." Which is true enough.

Rock stars are often silly men, but the admiration you felt for one years ago is rekindled and enobled when you here a clever melody years later. How enriching can the championship of '75 be for a ticket-buying fan (of that decade) today?

On the other hand, as religions go, it's pretty harmless. You tell someone you don't give a rat's ass about the Lakers and they usually just pick up their beer and walk away.

Posted by: Crid at August 12, 2007 1:28 AM

Yes I'm okay with it.

Posted by: PurplePen at August 12, 2007 2:05 AM

This depends on the age and involvement of the fan. I know of an NFL and an MLB star who don't wear anything but their Super Bowl and World Series ring when they're out and about; among pros, the letter- or team-jacket is worn for official business. Now, there are a lot of guys playing fantasy football league stuff, and the pictured garment is typical of that. This guy isn't taking you to dinner, but you might meet him at a sports bar, right? If I was an FFL player, I'd look like that as part of the shtick, but if you were the point of the evening, no, duh!

Posted by: Radwaste at August 12, 2007 7:01 AM

I saw this guy in a cafe. And I talked to him (I asked him if I could take a pic of his shirt for my blog) and then a woman originally from Dutch Antilles joined in, but I'd bet, except for women who are rabid fans, the shirt isn't a big attractor. The guy, for the record, said he didn't care about attracting girls, he was just wearing it because it was so close to football season (for University of Michigan, where I, too, happened to go to college).

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 7:18 AM

I would find it a big turn-off, but since the guy said he wasn't interested in meeting women anyway, I'm sure he doesn't care.

...which is exactly my reason for finding it a turn-off. He would be the kind of man who would rather watch sports than make out, so pretty useless to me.

Posted by: Chrissy at August 12, 2007 7:41 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: Uuuuuhhhh....

"Girl Magnet Or Girl Deterrent?" -- Amy Alkon

...contrary to your particular wishful-thinkings....

...men are not ALWAYS thinking about taking you to bed. Sometimes, as in this instance, men are more interested in pissing other men off; all for jest, if you will.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[All of Life is not about 'sex'. A lot of it is, however, from a man's perspective, there are other forms of pleasure. To include Genghis Khan's famous axiom.....

What is good in Life?

To drive your enemies before you. To hear the lamentations of their women. -- as rephrased in Conan the Barbarian]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 7:50 AM

TO: Amy Alkon, et al.
RE: Addendum

Okay....

...having read some of the other comments, focusing on the vagina-empowered here, I'll rephrase my earlier comment to include the likes of Chrissy.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Cosi fan tutte. -- Mozart]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 7:53 AM

P.S. In order to bring this up to contemporary times....I think Sean Connery put it most aptly in that movie, The Rock....

The football hero is the fellow who gets the Prome Queen.

This guy is one of those who has announced he's a 'contender'.

More power to him.....

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 7:56 AM

Once high school ends, there's a good chance the football hero is the guy who's working in his dad's used washing machine store, and it's the Paul Allens of the world who are getting the girls.

Ever go back to your high school for a reunion and see what's become of the most popular kids?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 8:07 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: Is There Life Beyond High School?

"Once high school ends, there's a good chance the football hero is the guy who's working in his dad's used washing machine store, and it's the Paul Allens of the world who are getting the girls." -- Amy Alkon

So. Where do you think the guy wearing the T in your photo works?

As for "Paul Allen", who is he?

Then again, I recall Henry Kissinger still scores well with the 'f---ing idiot' babes.

But whether or not the guy in the photo or Paul Allen or Henry Kissinger 'score' with women is not the point of this discussion...is it. No. Rather it's what this guy happens to be wearing as the mood struck him.

You women are so (1) sex [procreation]-oriented and (2) fashion 'conscious'. There's more to life than those two items. Besides, the latter supports the former.

As some wag put it...

Get a Life!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Maybe that involves having {HORROR!} 'children'!

What a concept! Striving for something beyond yourself.

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 8:20 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: Looking 'Back'

"Ever go back to your high school for a reunion and see what's become of the most popular kids?" -- Amy Alkon

Nope. I've been too busy with living a Life to expend those kinds of resources for such a feeble ego trip.

What about you? Sounds like you may have indulged yourself.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 8:22 AM

Dear Chuck,
Have you ever been called a serious person?
Sincerely,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at August 12, 2007 8:33 AM

I've been too busy with living a Life to expend those kinds of resources for such a feeble ego trip.

Uh, Chuck, I didn't say go back TO see what's become of the most popular kids, but if you get a nice squishy sense of superiority out of assuming that, well, you go girl!

Personally, I try to have a lot of experiences. Somebody who never goes to a high school reunion is probably not very curious.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 8:40 AM

But whether or not the guy in the photo or Paul Allen or Henry Kissinger 'score' with women is not the point of this discussion...is it

Actually, it is. It's whether adult men not in college hurt their chances with women by showing their fanhood to be such an essential part of them that they...sorry...wear it on their sleeve...or, in this guy's case, plastered across his chest.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 8:43 AM

TO: Dave
RE: Seriously

"Have you ever been called a serious person?" -- Dave

It depends upon who you talk to.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Sometimes it is pleasant to play the fool. -- Cicero]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 8:47 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: Really!???!?!?!!!!!?????

"Uh, Chuck, I didn't say go back TO see what's become of the most popular kids..." -- Amy Alkon

Then maybe you'd describe the version of English you were using when you stated (above)....

Ever go back to your high school for a reunion and see what's become of the most popular kids?" -- Amy Alkon [at August 12, 2007 8:07 AM]

I eagerly await your disabuse of my misunderstand....[as the F16s buzz my house on afterburner for an air-show at the local airport 8 miles to my east.]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Flying a high-performance fighter-interceptor has NOTHING to do with 'sex'....until the pilot gets on the ground.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 8:54 AM

I proudly skipped the 30th reunion just 2 weeks ago, just like all the previous meets. You can call it incurious, but there wasn't that much fascination with those people's lives during the twelve years when we were --by the vagaries of random neighborhood geography-- caged in classrooms together, either. Such accidents of fate can mean that our schoolyard fellows are essentially family... But this happenstance does not recommend them as personalities any more than it does the cruel and clumsy personages in one's own brood.

They got one thing going for them, and one thing only: You can ignore them.

Posted by: Crid at August 12, 2007 8:55 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: Mere Obfuscation

"Actually, it is. It's whether adult men not in college hurt their chances with women by showing their fanhood to be such an essential part of them that they...sorry...wear it on their sleeve...or, in this guy's case, plastered across his chest." -- Amy Alkon

Amy, the guy dosn't CARE about taking you to bed....at least not more than he cares about squashing 'State' in some masculine endeavor where women, with their [pleasantly] squishy body parts, don't seem to fare very well....at that moment.

There are more thinks in life than taking women to bed. Your vagina is not, repeat NOT, the center of all mens' Universe. Get over it.

Besides, I'm confident that the guy in the photo, despite his moment of testosterone-overload has ample opportunities to procreate. [Note: Something I suspect, based on your own writings here, you are neither mentally nor emotionally prepared for.]

The next question is...

Who wins the BIG 'Game'? In the long-run, I mean.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You can't win if you don't enter. -- Amy Alkon]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 9:06 AM

If I see a guy wearing a shirt promoting a team, I assume that was the clean shirt that happened to be on top of his shirt pile at the time, and that he doesn't loathe the team in question beyond all reason, but might well be wearing a shirt that his friend/sibling/whatever gave him at some point, just as I've given my brother many a T-shirt over the years. There are a few teams, pro and school, whose appearance on a T-shirt will engender a snarky comment from me. But otherwise - and I apologize if I'm being sexist or generalist - I assume that straight men not, say, meeting important clients for the first time don't put much thought into their attire beyond its comfort, fit and (I hope!) cleanliness.

However, I will note that wearing a USC T-shirt in the greater LSU area is likely to turn women off, and wearing it in Texas is likely to get you mocked.

Chuck, I believe what Amy was saying was that she did not suggest that one should attend one's high school reunion solely to discover what happened to the popular kids, but that attending one's high school reunion as one of those interesting life experiences allows one the opportunity to see what became of the popular kids. Who, presumably, did not include Paul Allen (who could buy and sell us all - Google the guy if you've really never heard of him), Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.



men are not ALWAYS thinking about taking you to bed. Sometimes, as in this instance, men are more interested in pissing other men off; all for jest, if you will.


And competition with other men has nothing whatsoever to do with wanting women to choose you over them? Really? I have my doubts here.

Posted by: marion at August 12, 2007 9:21 AM

TO: marion
RE: Perhaps

"If I see a guy wearing a shirt promoting a team, I assume that was the clean shirt that happened to be on top of his shirt pile at the time..." -- marion

But I remember similar t-shirts worn by entire companies of infantry, in the early 80s.

They read...

Beat CCCP!

When there's literal 'blood' on the provebial 'line', I think things take on an entirely different meaning.

Maybe you 'girls' miss that particular perspective.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The fates of nations do not rest in womens' vaginas.....unless you're a European.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 9:26 AM

P.S.

"And competition with other men has nothing whatsoever to do with wanting women to choose you over them? Really? " -- marion

That doesn't mean taking Amy, or Chrissy, to bed, Buckie.

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 9:27 AM

Thank you, Marion. (Some people need sex surrogates, some people need mental surrogates.)

Chuck, I believe what Amy was saying was that she did not suggest that one should attend one's high school reunion solely to discover what happened to the popular kids, but that attending one's high school reunion as one of those interesting life experiences allows one the opportunity to see what became of the popular kids.

Furthermore, this isn't a post about whether the guy wants to have sex with me, but a question about whether his shirt makes women less apt to want to have sex with him.

P.S. It's all about getting into the vagina...starting with male achievement and going on from there.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 9:28 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE:

"Furthermore, this isn't a post about whether the guy wants to have sex with me, but a question about whether his shirt makes women less apt to want to have sex with him." -- Amy Alkon

I doubt he wears the shirt all the time, Amy. Only when it is appropo. At which point, he's thinking of something he deems more important than taking YOU or any other women like Chrissy, to bed.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you have your priorities in their proper order, things fall into their proper place by themselves. -- CINC FORSCOM, c. 1982, while relieving a brigade commander, for cause.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 9:30 AM

I doubt he wears the shirt all the time, Amy. Only when it is appropo. At which point, he's thinking of something he deems more important than taking YOU or any other women like Chrissy, to bed.

Chuck, is your head made out of butcher block? I'm aware of that. Again, "this isn't a post about whether the guy wants to have sex with me, but a question about whether his shirt makes women less apt to want to have sex with him."

I'm sorry that isn't getting through to you, but please stop posting the exact same thing over and over and over again. It's not any more on point the seventh time.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 9:38 AM

Probably a sports shirt won't work as well as my Beaver Liquors, Trenton NJ, shirt.

Posted by: Steve Daniels at August 12, 2007 10:00 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: The Makings of a Man's Mind

"...is your head made out of butcher block?" -- Amy Alkon

Not that I am aware of. Then again, someone did try to replace the gray-matter with Ash, a la baseball bat, when I was 4 years of age.


"I'm aware of that. Again, "this isn't a post about whether the guy wants to have sex with me, but a question about whether his shirt makes women less apt to want to have sex with him." -- Amy Alkon

Well. You don't seem to be absorbing that datum. Indeed, I think you're being obtuse.

He can take his shirt off whenever he likes. And, for the moment when you took your picture, he was thinking more on a 'higher plain', if you will [Heck, even if you won't].

I get the distinct impression that you, and Chrissy, don't care for that. And THAT is MY 'point'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 10:06 AM

TO: Steve Daniels
RE: Appropo Shirts

"Probably a sports shirt won't work as well as my Beaver Liquors, Trenton NJ, shirt." -- Steve Daniels

I've got a photo of a Holiday Party at the Denver Museum of Natural History.

Me in my dress blues. Susan, the distaff, in a pretty pink cocktail dress. Jed, the Best Man at our wedding, in jeans and a t-shirt of a cigar stating "I was rolled in Jamaica". Susan resembled a cute pink rabbit being 'hugged' between two wolves with big grins full of teeth.

We used it to announce our intention to wed, titled, "We're getting married."

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Clothes make the man(iac)!]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 12, 2007 10:10 AM

He can take his shirt off whenever he likes.

Chuck, I think anyone who isn't mentally retarded recognizes that.

Do you think your wife sometimes looks over at you and wants to strangle you?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 11:11 AM

Chuck

I usually just lurk here because I enjoy the comment without feeling any need to join; however, I will break silence to note that whenever you or Brian comment it brings thought to an end.

Please shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Machida at August 12, 2007 12:49 PM

My pet theory on Chuck's behavior is that the memo warrior could be packing some sheet metal in the cranial or cephalic region.

Posted by: Joe at August 12, 2007 1:35 PM

Thanks - needed a laugh!

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 2:09 PM

I don't see anything wrong with wearing a t-shirt supporting your favorite sports team. It comes down to time and place. Wearing a Nebraska Huskers t-shirt all the time will (or should) get old after a while. You don't wear it every night...on every date w/ your lady. But going out for some pizza or to the movies - who cares? Some people wear ALL black EVERY day. They have an easy time dressing and doing laundry but it's boring and sometimes funeral attire looks silly on hot days like today. Likewise, a sports t-shirt looks dumb in a nice restaurant (might not be allowed at some) but it's fine for Saturday errands.

Life isn't a fashion show...I do believe in "looking nice" but donning a t-shirt isn't inherently "scrubby" unless it's pit-stained and has unintentional nipple holes. If a person is "too good" for a simple sports t-shirt like the guy in the picture then he/she very well may lean towards the high end of the pretension scale. On the flip side, if a guy MUST wear his t-shirt ALL the time then he's probably overly consumed w/ sports obsession.

It's all about the happy medium...

Posted by: Gretchen at August 12, 2007 3:00 PM

I like the shirt, and on someone else, I think it would become magnetic. However, to me this guy's smile says, "Hey, I'm in on the joke and you're going to think I'm clever and earnest for about ten minutes!"
In two words: not sexy.

Posted by: nancy at August 12, 2007 3:59 PM

Women love my "Bad Girls Go To Hell" t-shirt. A tribute to a great exploitation film directed by Doris Wishman in 1965.

Posted by: Joe at August 12, 2007 4:12 PM

Hell: A tall man with a whip chasing you around to have nasty sex with you...sounds like loads more fun than heaven.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 4:35 PM

The movie was the Thelma and Louise of the 1960s, without the Louise or without the Thelma. Just minus the one and you'll get the idea.

It's a movie about a housewife who accidentally kills a man in the course of an attempted rape then flees to New York City. While there, she stumbles into a variety sexually compromising and abusive situations. Great cinematography by C. Davis Smith too.

Doris Wishman's last words were: "I'll be making movies in Hell."

Posted by: Joe at August 12, 2007 5:01 PM

If there is a hell, I hope I'll run into you there and you'll save me a seat at the screening.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 6:14 PM

In my 20s, I wore a sweatshirt that said "Go Ugly Early" to an upscale neighborhood meet market. A 40something woman approached me, told me I was "causing a stir" with her and her gf (!!!) and kept leaning into me with her gargantuan twins. The message was clear but I just couldn't get interested. Interpret as you wish.

Posted by: DaveG at August 12, 2007 8:55 PM

There's something to be said for not being too eager, that does send the message that you aren't.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 9:03 PM

Amy, do you think some women consider apathy a challenge to be met? I'm not that sneaky, but I think the mythical "bad boy" uses that tactic.

Posted by: DaveG at August 12, 2007 9:10 PM

Sure, but it ties into what I was saying above -- I think seeming overeager is unattractive to everyone. The mythology is that nice guys don't get the girls. The truth is, there are a lot of guys out there who think they can call themselves nice because they're too wimpy to make moves on a girl, etc. Underneath, they are often really hostile and resentful. And very unattractive to women, who can sense that sort of thing.

There are certain rules -- don't go on about how beautiful a beautiful woman is. She knows and she's heard it before. You become just another guy in a long line of guys who are beneath her.

To turn the tables, if you're a woman, and you want a movie star to want you, don't fawn all over him. Treat him like he's just anybody.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at August 12, 2007 9:21 PM

Truth be told, if I meet a guy who's *not* into sports (like my husband), I find that more attractive, just because it's less expected. Ditto for soccer/rugby/cricket knowledge from an American man. An All Blacks shirt would be a great conversation-starter, assuming the wearer is actually familiar with the All Blacks.

I'll say this: living in the Southeast, any item of clothing, no matter how logoed up, is more attractive than a white Auburn University baseball cap.

Posted by: Jessica at August 13, 2007 7:25 AM

In the right place and with a not-over-the-top level of enthusiasm, a team shirt is no different than any other casual shirt. However, if critiquing in small degrees, I'd prefer a shirt "for" a team rather than "against" the other guys.

When our pro hockey team made it to the playoffs, I picked up a couple of T's with our logo on it to wear out to the local pub to watch games. Admittedly, I chose mine to enhance my assets. My favorite was one with our logo and the words "We love to play" written across my boobs. I fully intended the entendre that anyone cared to read into it!

Posted by: moreta at August 13, 2007 7:27 AM

Depending on how clever the shirt is, how cute the guy is and which team the shirt is for, I may just go up and ask about it. Likewise, I get a lot of attention when I sport my football gear.

For me, a guy that doesn't know the difference between a fumble and an incomplete pass is a guy I can't hang out with during the fall and winter months. I once dated a guy that asked me how they moved the yellow line (electronically drawn on tv) so fast during the game. After I stopped choking on my dinner, we stopped seeing each other. Even my girlfriends that know nothing about football don't ask anything quite that ridiculous.

Posted by: meshaliu at August 13, 2007 8:17 AM

Exactly, Meshaliu, I'm right there with you. re: picture boy, I'm just not attracted to him at all, in any way. He could be wearing a suit, or leggings, or a kilt, and I'd still feel the same way. On the other hand, I've had guys come up to me and ask if my Oakland Raiders jersey is the real deal (#75, Howie Long's number). When I tell them it is, they ask how much I want for it. Go figure. o_O

Posted by: Flynne at August 13, 2007 8:43 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: Strangulation

"Do you think your wife sometimes looks over at you and wants to strangle you?" -- Amy Alkon

No. Unless she wants to give me a greater 'rush', in flagranta delicto. But she's not that sort of girl.

You...on the other hand....probably are thinking of doing exactly that, if you get the opportunity.

Sorry, babe. I got better thinks to do than give you lessons in the martial arts.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You haven't lived until you've almost died.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 10:36 AM

TO: Joe
RE: Brain Damaged R Us

"My pet theory on Chuck's behavior is that the memo warrior could be packing some sheet metal in the cranial or cephalic region." -- Joe

What's this??!?!?!!! Did you get a hold of my medical records? Or did you google some item I mentioned about being hammered with a baseball bat during my first-ever baseball game; age 4. Walked into the follow-throw of a swing.

10 days in Walter Reed while the surgeons pulled bone frags out of the gray-matter.

Ike was just down the hall from me there. I say he had that heart-attack when he heard about my injury.

I suspect that I took up jumping out of perfectly good airplanes, in flight, because I wanted to recreate that astonishing sensation.

However, contrary to your misapprehension, there was NO METAL involved in the procedure. However, I do carry some in my right calf. A military operation 'injury', while chasing my battalion commander down a blue-slope; boot break.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[No pain....no gain.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 10:41 AM

TO: Machida
RE: Shut Up!

"Please shut the fuck up." -- Machida

Bring on your Gestapo and 'make me'....tongue firmly in cheek.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Hate is the flame that licks the cup of love.... -- Star of Isthar]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 10:42 AM

TO: Amy Alkon
RE: I'll....

"Thanks - needed a laugh!" -- Amy Alkon

...just 'bet' you could. Three guesses as to why....first two don't count.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Laugh at yourself. Join the rest of us.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 10:44 AM

What Machida said.

Posted by: William at August 13, 2007 11:02 AM

TO: William
RE: So What

"What Machida said." -- William

You think you got 'what it takes'? Bring it on.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Diversity Training in the conference room at 9 am. Body armor is recommended.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 11:13 AM

'"Do you think your wife sometimes looks over at you and wants to strangle you?" -- Amy Alkon

No. Unless she wants to give me a greater 'rush', in flagranta delicto. But she's not that sort of girl.'

What 'sort of girl' is she? Is she a 'good' girl that doesn't like having sex?

Why do I get the feeling Chuck thinks sex is a very bad thing?

And since that's probably the case, he really shouldn't be on such a naughty blog!

Posted by: Chrissy at August 13, 2007 11:37 AM

TO: Chrissy
RE: Probably....

"Why do I get the feeling Chuck thinks sex is a very bad thing?" -- Chrissy

...because YOU think it's a 'very bad thing'.

I look upon it as one of the greatest blessings God has given us. And I indulge my beloved in it as frequently as I can. Why? Not so much for myself but for her as well. Not to leave out the possibility that we might be blessed with a child. Some 'message' we could pass on to a future we shall never see, ourselves.

So....are you 'projecting' here?


RE: Ah Yes....

"And since that's probably the case, he really shouldn't be on such a naughty blog!" -- Chrissy

...bring on the executioner.

Indeed. Let us see if a PC environment prevails here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Good can abide the existence of Evil. However, Evil cannot abide the existence of Good. Therefore, Evil will continually strive to eliminate Good, because Good will not stop pointing out Evil's 'blemishes'.]

P.S. I've been kicked/banned/killed on a number of allegedly 'progressive' blogs. And why? Just for doing what I've been doing here....

....no foul language....

....no threats....

....nothing obscene....

....unless you consider facing the 'truth' as someone else sees it 'obscene'.

It was only a matter of time before the fascists manifested themselves because they couldn't win in a 'fair fight', i.e., on a level playing field of ideas.

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 11:45 AM

P.P.S. Just so you are aware....

...these messages are recorded for future 'reference'.

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 11:48 AM

TO: Chrissy
RE: By the By....

...not wishing to appear neither 'obscene' nor 'naughty', merely 'informative', I see such play as akin to bouncing a balloon in the air.

So far, my best is 45 minutes of keeping her 'bouncing'. But I keep striving to do better. However, admittedly, it takes her the better part of the day to 'recover'. In certain situations, that can be somewhat problematic.

Is that 'naughty' enough for you?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you want to feel more like a 'man', make HER feel more of a 'woman'.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 11:53 AM

Chuck,

The only knowledge I do have on you is about your past military experiences. I've guessed it because there are certain forms of behavior found in your numerous posts that suggest traumatic brain injuries.

A distinct form of repetition and the lack of understanding nuance or subtleties in various comments. You do understand the actual definitions, but cannot detect them within a contributor's post. Do you understand Amy’s frustrations? A lifelong career in the military would make sense, because of the basic requirement of soldiers not to ‘read between the lines’ type of mentality. (i.e. The right way, the wrong way and the Army’s way.)

I'm sure any neurology department at a nearby university would be interested in interviewing you as an individual case study of TBI and how your brain has compensated in functionality over the decades.

Also, I meant 'packing sheet metal' as in a metal plate and not shrapnel.

Posted by: Joe at August 13, 2007 11:56 AM

TO: Joe
RE: Subtleties & Nuances & Amy's Frustrations, Oh My!

"A distinct form of repetition and the lack of understanding nuance or subtleties in various comments. You do understand the actual definitions, but cannot detect them within a contributor's post. Do you understand Amy’s frustrations?" -- Joe[ke]

For 'Repetition', as an old colonel told his assembled Combined Arms Staff & Service School charges (c. 1982), "Practice makes permanant".

Can you 'guess' the inference? If not, perhaps you have some 'cognition' issues and should seek professional advice.

As for 'nuance', well...that's in the 'eye' of the beholder. So, you suggest that because Chrissy cannot grasp my 'nuance', I should be kicked/banned/killed. Eh?

I guess if we used that approach to public discourse, the likes of Marx, Ingles and Nietzsche would have been killed in their secondary education days.

RE: Little Do You Know

"A lifelong career in the military would make sense, because of the basic requirement of soldiers not to ‘read between the lines’ type of mentality." -- Joe

Ever spend a life-time there? I suspect not. Therefore, you speak from, literally, 'ignorance'. If not outright 'prejudice'.

RE: IQs

"I'm sure any neurology department at a nearby university would be interested in interviewing you as an individual case study of TBI and how your brain has compensated in functionality over the decades." -- Joe

Care to share?

Despite my youthful 'experience'. I'm still a card-carrying Mensan.

Imagine what I'd be saying of you if I had not had that 'experience'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Yeah. Me and Einstein. We be 'mateys'. -- Crocodile Dundee (paraphrased)]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 12:08 PM

It was only a matter of time before the fascists manifested themselves because they couldn't win in a 'fair fight', i.e., on a level playing field of ideas.

What's to win? As you suggest, its truth as you see it. Just a different construct.

Posted by: moreta at August 13, 2007 12:15 PM

45 minutes of missionary style intercourse is very vanilla (therefore not naughty at all). Also, it is very difficult for a woman to have an orgasm in that position. AND, you would require lube at some point to ensure that it's not uncomfortable and ultimately painful for the woman. But being a MENSA member, I guess Chuck knows all that already...

Posted by: Chrissy at August 13, 2007 12:28 PM

I just thought it was a joke that Chuck had sheet metal.

Posted by: PurplePen at August 13, 2007 12:35 PM

Wow Chrissy, I needed you to give advice to my ex.

Posted by: PurplePen at August 13, 2007 12:37 PM

I just read a lot of books...

Posted by: Chrissy at August 13, 2007 12:39 PM

just kidding, I also have to try out what I read, so I do have experience in the field.

Posted by: Chrissy at August 13, 2007 12:40 PM

TO: moreta
RE: Whats To Win

"What's to win? As you suggest, its truth as you see it. Just a different construct." -- moreta

Indeed.

Maybe it all depends on ones point of view? Ones 'perspective'?

So eliminating someone else's 'perspective' has no importance. Is that your point?

Seems to me that history if rife with such 'approaches' to 'discussion'. Usually accomplished with various blunt, edged or powder weapons. This, as opposed, to open discourse and reason.

So....

...I put the question back to you....

"What's to win?"

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I suspect the answer lies in what method on camp choses to employ.

Don't you think?

[If you can't beat them. 'Kill' them.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 12:41 PM

TO: purplepen
RE: Not Quite Accurate

"I just thought it was a joke that Chuck had sheet metal." -- purplepen

Some parts are solid metal.

Three guesses as to which....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There are three things extremely hard: steel, a diamond, and to know one's self. -- Benjamin Franklin]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 13, 2007 12:46 PM

Actually my point was its not worth responding to the memos. It appears you're only in for the fight and not an open discussion. At least that's my perspective. I don't think you should be 'killed', just ignored. I appreciate the differing opinions, I just find the approach and hijacking of subject matter annoying.

But, I'm a hypocrite, as here I am, drawn into responding rather than ignoring. But, got a house to build now though (literally, no reading between the lines required) so I'm done.

Posted by: moreta at August 13, 2007 1:15 PM

Chuck,

Your counter argument proved my points further.

I do understand an officer’s use of personal initiative in the field. The actual details of your service record is irrelevant, because I cannot access them. That would include the exact details of your TBI too. Pretty good guess I would say through the limitations of the message board format. Others have made similar guesses about your behavioral quirks too. I decided to make a joke about it.

The repetition comment is the volume of your posts, especially in response to various contributors’ comments. Also your use of the memo format when others, including the owner of the site, displayed contempt for the style, but you still continue. Why? Stuck in a mental loop through the TBI?

Second, a membership to Mensa will get you a doughnut and cup of coffee. What’s next you are in Who’s Who too? I spent 2 years in Mensa and came to conclusion it was the biggest waste of time for a bunch for people with high IQ. The American with the highest IQ spends her time writing lame brain teasers for Parade magazine. Sorry, I have a more proactive approach towards intelligence and society. What matters is the application of intelligence over the identity.

Third, you fell for the easy excuse of interpreting my post as an attack on your intelligence or your combat experiences turned you into a handicapped person. Any form of traumatic brain damage for whatever reasons will cause sections of the brain to compensate or over compensate in functionality. This doesn’t mean you are a drooling idiot, but someone with certain behavior patterns that are slightly off. Perhaps neurologists interviewing a TBI subject at your age could give insight for the soldiers returning from Iraq with similar injuries, especially living to a nice ripe old age. Ever cross our mind?

If you were attuned to subtleties you would have picked it up. Mensa membership included.

Posted by: Joe at August 13, 2007 1:38 PM

I meant 'ever cross your mind' and not our.

Posted by: Joe at August 13, 2007 1:41 PM

Chuck -

What did you mean by "in flagranta delicto"? I'm not angling for a juicy reply, so be as circumspect as you wish, but please explain.

Posted by: Norman at August 14, 2007 1:41 AM

TO: Joe
RE: Blow'n 'Smoke'

'Your counter argument proved my points further." -- Joe

RE: Officers' Initiative

"I do understand an officer’s use of personal initiative in the field." -- Joe

Good. Please explain the differences between the oath of office an officer takes upon his commissioning and that of an enlisted soldier.

If you get it right, I'll believe you do 'understand'. Otherwise....see 'RE:' immediately above.

RE: Mensa Membership

"Second, a membership to Mensa will get you a doughnut and cup of coffee." -- Joe

Your 'ignorance' is showing. It won't even get you what you suggest.

However, it will get me into the Annual Gathering in Denver next year.

Will YOU be there?

RE: Getting 'Personal'

"...you fell for the easy excuse of interpreting my post as an attack on your intelligence or your combat experiences turned you into a handicapped person." -- Joe

If you weren't getting 'personal' then, you certainly are now. So I suspect you WERE getting 'personal' then. Therefore, I believe you're a liar.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else. -- George Bernard Shaw]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 14, 2007 11:51 AM

TO: Norman
RE: In Flagrant WHAT!!!?!?!??!???

"What did you mean by "in flagranta delicto"? I'm not angling for a juicy reply, so be as circumspect as you wish, but please explain." -- Norman

My Latin is 'rusty', at best. I apologize for that.

It means caught in a 'compromising position' during the course of a sexual encounter, i.e., coitus.

[Note: To the dear lady who was suggesting my eyes should be 'put out' of this venue for my own 'protection', I apologize if I've offended your unusual 'sensitivities', or 'opinions'.]

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Really, sex and laughter do go very well together, and I wondered - and still do - which is the more important. - Hermione Gingold]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 14, 2007 11:55 AM

TO: Chrissy
RE: As....

"45 minutes of missionary style intercourse is very vanilla (therefore not naughty at all)." -- Chrissy

...my first First Sergeant told me....

When you ASSUME something you make an ASS out of U and ME.

You're doing a good job of making a ASS of SOMEONE. And, in this instance, it's hardly ME.

I'm an ENTJ and a 'Scorpio'. Do the research....and drool.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You think intercourse is a private act; it's not, it's a social act. Men are sexually predatory in life and women are sexually manipulative. When two individuals come together and leave their gender outside the bedroom door, then they make love. - Andrea Dworkin]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 14, 2007 12:00 PM

TO: moreta
RE: The Memos

“Actually my point was its not worth responding to the memos.” -- moreta

Then follow your ‘instinct’ and don’t respond.

RE: Appearances Are Deceiving

“It appears you're only in for the fight and not an open discussion. At least that's my perspective.” -- moreta

Actually, I’m in it for both. As I’ve commented before, I’m an ENTJ, by the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Such people thrive on ‘the fight’ as well as ‘discussion’. We learn best when in such situations. And I LOVE to ‘learn’.

As some wag in that old Book put it....

As iron sharpens iron, so does one man sharpen another.

Hope that puts thinks into their proper ‘perspective’ for you.

RE: The Less Murderous Mind

“I don't think you should be 'killed', just ignored. I appreciate the differing opinions, I just find the approach and hijacking of subject matter annoying.” -- moreta

Good for you!

However, I’m not ‘hijacking’ anything here. I’m just beating down the ad homs. Anytime people want to get back on-topic, I’m more than willing. But it seems that very few, at least around here, can stay on-topic.

I get the distinct impression that they are applying the Third Option of the Lawyers’ Rule.....

[1] If the Law is against you, argue the facts. [2] If the facts are against you, argue the Law. [3] If the Law and the facts are against you, call the other side names.

However, many of these people seem to think that attacking the format is a better approach....fools that they are.

RE: What Makes a 'Hypocrite'?

“But, I'm a hypocrite, as here I am, drawn into responding rather than ignoring. But, got a house to build now though (literally, no reading between the lines required) so I'm done.” -- moreta

Hardly a hypocrite. Certainly an inquisitive and ‘interesting’ mind.

Good luck with the house project. Sounds interesting. I’ve got one to ‘maintain’. Build in 1901, three-wyth brick, four levels, two ‘carriage’ garage and a small garage built into what used to be the drive-up-and-dump coal bin in the basement. I LOVE it! But it does require ‘attention’.

Keep up the good work. You’re helping to build America as it was meant to be.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A man's home is his castle, in a manor of speaking.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 14, 2007 12:17 PM

To: Chrissy

"45 minutes of missionary style intercourse is very vanilla (therefore not naughty at all). Also, it is very difficult for a woman to have an orgasm in that position."

2 out of 3 girlfriends have insisted on having sex mostly in the missionary position. What reasoning could you give, or book title I could refer to, that would reasonably change future significant others minds'?

Posted by: scott at August 14, 2007 12:54 PM

TO: Chrissy
RE: Additional Clarification

I get her on a 'roll' BEFORE the clock starts....

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Life is a game. And you've just been finessed.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 14, 2007 1:11 PM

TO: Jessica
RE: A Digression

"Ditto for soccer/rugby/cricket knowledge from an American man." -- Jessica

I heard an interesting quip the other day....

In England, football is a hooligan's game played by gentlemen. In America, football is a gentlemen's game played by hooligans.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Life is a game and most poor saps are sitting in the bleachers.]

Posted by: Chuck Pelto at August 15, 2007 11:10 AM

Scott, there are plenty of books on sex in your local bookstore. You could try to convince any future girlfriends to read books which are geared towards women exploring their own sexuality, and learning how to have an orgasm. Your previous girlfriends may have just been shy or inexperienced, or thought that missionary was the 'right' way to have sex, because that's what they see in the movies.

Better yet, get an experienced woman next time!

Posted by: Chrissy at August 16, 2007 6:15 AM

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