"Conservatives" are not the ones pushing McCain. There is a cabal of people within the republican party who have engineered his nomination through arranging to have the early primaries in open states where inderpendents and democrats could have a strong influence on the outcome. McCain is despised by conservatives. He wasn't even getting the majority of any primary vote in any state before he actually by default got the nomination. He was getting a lot of crossover voting and independants. The Daily KOS website actually launched a campaign where they urged dems to vote for him to piss off conservatives.

Those people within the GOP who are pushing McCain are not conservatives, they are globalists who are wanting to open the border. They are a minority in the party but they are the party leadership. They are beholdin to the business interests that are working to lower the cost of labor in this country across the board and hispanics that want to have a free hand in settling most of mexicos population in the southwest.

For all those who talk about how we need McCain to win the terror war, I ask what good is fighting overseas and surrendering at home? We are being quietly, slowly invaded and John McCain is ready and willing to cede everything to our invaders at the drop of a hat.

What we are losing in this invasion is law and order. Mexico is a corrupt disaster with no real rule of law, no regard for rules, regulations or discipline. They are coming up here and bringing that attitude with them. The more it spreads, the more chaotic things get, our sub-prime mess is a good example of this. Throwing rules and common sense out the door for a quick benefit is exactly the kind of attitude that got us into this mess and a damned lot of those loans in So Cal were made to illegals. "No Doc" loans were created for "undocumented" people. It doesn't work to say we're just not going to have standards anymore and it's a free for all anarchy. Our society is changing as we accept more of this behaviour and then look to the govt to bail us out when it don't work.

Bob Barr, jump in!

Bob Barr, jump in!

I believe he is currently seeking the nomination of the Libertarian party.

Ken, your post hits effectively upon one of the things that I have read elsewhere about the Republican leadership having adopted an approach that works as follows: 1) Wall Street funds think tanks to create ideas that support their (globalist) agenda, 2) the leadership picks broadly palatable candidates to push these ideas, and 3) pay lip service to the social conservative agenda (abortion and gay marriage), and voila! Electoral coalition! Though McCain seems an odd duck here in that he was not these people's first choice (Romney was), and he is not trusted by the social cons.

Absolutely right Justin. Wall St. does not belong to the Blue or the Red party, they are the green party. That is all they care about is the bottom line of the very rich. While McCain may seem an odd duck and a surprise of a nomination to most of us, he is the ideal green party candidate because he supports the main ideas that Wall St. wants, unlimited cheap labor, unending war, and govt (read taxpayer money) backing up poor Wall st. decisions.

By the way, I know some of you will say that McCain has not endorsed the bailout and says he's against it. Actions speak louder than words. It was his involvment in the "Keating Five" and the resulting bailout of the S&L's that set the precedent. Google a bit of that.

"There is a cabal of people within the republican party who have engineered his nomination through arranging to have the early primaries in open states where inderpendents and democrats could have a strong influence on the outcome."

Yeah, like California. Give it a rest. Calif was a closed primary and McCain won every district in the land of Prop 187. Nobody is trying to invade or take over the country and most Americans, let alone Republicans, obviously disagree with you. Funny how "free market" Reagan conservatives clam up when talking about labor, or at least non-white labor.

If you really cared about the war on terror, you'd be pining for a program that integrates the labor pool into legitimate society, rather than working so hard to keep them on the fringe of society. You "law and order" folks sound just like the silly liberals who feel if only there were more gun laws and more money put into enforcing those gun laws, gun violence would magically end. Amazing how the same twisted logic can be used by the liberals and "conservatives" to shore up issues near and dear to their irrational little hearts.

"There is a cabal of people within the republican party who have engineered his nomination through arranging to have the early primaries in open states where inderpendents and democrats could have a strong influence on the outcome."

Yeah, like California. Give it a rest. Calif was a closed primary and McCain won every district in the land of Prop 187. Nobody is trying to invade or take over the country and most Americans, let alone Republicans, obviously disagree with you. Funny how "free market" Reagan conservatives clam up when talking about labor, or at least non-white labor.

If you really cared about the war on terror, you'd be pining for a program that integrates the labor pool into legitimate society, rather than working so hard to keep them on the fringe of society. You "law and order" folks sound just like the silly liberals who feel if only there were more gun laws and more money put into enforcing those gun laws, gun violence would magically end. Amazing how the same twisted logic can be used by the liberals and "conservatives" to shore up issues near and dear to their irrational little hearts.

Stephen, if you had even a modicum of a clue, you'd know that the proper answer is to seal the border and deport all those who felt that they deserved to jump the immigration line to get here first.

And if you'd been paying attention to the majority of the Hispanic political organizations in California and the Southwest, you'd have heard of organizations like Mecha and National Council of La Raza.

and I AM a Reagan conservative. How dare you come here and tell me what I believe, and manage to get it 100% wrong. The Reagan coalition (what remains of it) is for strong enforcement of our national sovereignty. The color of illegal laborers is irrelevant. Their illegality is the only thing that concerns us.

You want our plan to win the war on terror? Seal the border, Kill the Islamists, Drag the rest of the Islamic world kicking and screaming into the modern era.

First of all, Stephan, I don’t know how this fact evaded you but California is an extremely liberal state. It would figure that Californian Reps would vote for a very liberal republican. Then there were those conservatives, (notice I didn’t say republicans), like myself, who by the tens of thousands all across the state, suddenly had a lost voting record and whose party affiliations had mysteriously changed and were not allowed to vote in the CA primary. Two major investigations are ongoing.

Nobody is trying to invade the country? MILLIONS of people have walked into our country, ignored our laws, stolen identities, wiped their ass with our flag and demanded that they have a legal right to do it. Our prisons are filled with them, our hospital emergency rooms are closing due to bankruptcy because of them, we spend BILLIONS of dollars every year, just in California for education, healthcare, welfare, and many other social services just for illegal aliens. We are not the people who’s main political organization is called, “the race” (La Raza).

“Free market Reagan conservatives”?? Not sure what you’re getting at here. Are you trying to insinuate that I would be happy to let the ‘brown people’ work for nothing as long as it would benefit me? Is that it? I’m just guessing here. Any market is only free as long as it is fair and based on real competition. I have never advocated the declining state of wages in America just to benefit a few rich sons of bitches.

Oh, and this final paragraph is the jeweled piercing in a monstrous asshole of stupidity. “If you really cared about the war on terror, you'd be pining for a program that integrates the labor pool into legitimate society, rather than working so hard to keep them on the fringe of society. You "law and order" folks sound just like the silly liberals who feel if only there were more gun laws and more money put into enforcing those gun laws, gun violence would magically end. Amazing how the same twisted logic can be used by the liberals and "conservatives" to shore up issues near and dear to their irrational little hearts.

No. 1, I spent twenty years in the Navy, four tours in the Middle East, I know a little bit about the war on terror.
No. 2, It’s very telling how you say you ‘law and order’ folks” jeering at the idea that those of use who are sick and FUCKING tired of illegals running rampant, getting drunk and running over people, have some kinda goddamn point. The only reason this country was ever great was that we made that way. We demanded law and order and controlled the number of people who came here so that they would become Americans and not just colonize. The only way we ever made the American dream a reality was to closely legislate labor abuses so the average worker could earn enough to buy a home and settle. You talk about “integrating the ‘labor pool’” into the legitimate society. Do you ever read what you write? What you are advocating is legalizing slavery. What I am advocating is the rule of law. YOU ARE TRYING TO UNDO WHAT MADE AMERICA GREAT TO BEGIN WITH! Did it ever occur to you, you fucking genius, that if we were to just ‘integrate’ everyone today, that we would have 50 million more here tomorrow taking the jobs that the ‘integrated’ ones used to have? Because if we make them legal, then they have to be paid legal, AND THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY DEFEAT THE FUCKING PURPOSE OF ILLEGAL LABOR, WOULDN’T IT???? The only reason they are here is because they are working cheaper than Americans which benefits them and their employers, the rest of the country takes it up the ass paying for their healthcare, education, crime and social welfare programs and in lowered wages for all laborers. And what kind of appreciation do we get? more crime, more hate, more Si se puede, more reconquista, more of fuck you gringo. Let me ask you, how many aliens should we take in from other countries genius, ten, twenty, fifty, five hundred million more? There are six billion people in the world. More than half of them have live in squalor in third world countries that absolutely suck and would love to come to America and their governments would love to send them here to get them off of their back. Where do you draw the line genius? Is it before or after New York starts to resemble Soylent Green?

And by the way Stephan, you god damned genius, I heard probably the funniest immigrations story today that I have ever heard. The Arizona anti-illegal immigrant laws that took effect this year are working so well that most of the mexicans are moving out. A lot of them are moving to the Sonora province in mexico, and MEXICO IS WHINING ABOUT IT!!! No shit. Mexicans are bitching about taking there own god damn people back. Must make them proud. Maybe the'll have to change their asswipe slogan to, "NO,we can't."

"we spend BILLIONS of dollars every year, just in California for education, healthcare, welfare, and many other social services just for illegal aliens"

You know, there is the possibility that rather than build a giant wall to try and keep the ants out of the kitchen, we could just stop leaving honey lying out on the counter. Remove the incentive. STOP spending those billions of dollars.

Jo - If we don't spend the money, they sue, and the state gets forced by the liberal courts to dole out the cash.

Oh, wait - that's how we wound up here.

"First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

What's your opinion of a loser-pays system? I have yet to think of a downside, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.

This kind of gets back to our discussion on the McCain thread. The majority of people expect the government to provide, which is the root of the problem.

"...this final paragraph is the jeweled piercing in a monstrous asshole of stupidity."

(Wiping a tear of gratitude) Tha's jus bootiful. Such a simple, powerful, and disgusting mental image. It says so much. Thank you.

What's your opinion of a loser-pays system? I have yet to think of a downside, but that doesn't mean there isn't one.

The only forseeable downside is that it could discourage those with legitimate claims from pursuing them for fear that either their evidence is insufficient or that bias inherent in the system (see: family court) would cause them to lose without an impartial hearing of the evidence.

It would however, put an end to SLAPP suits and other nuisance lawsuits in one whole hell of a hurry.

I support it, but have no reason to believe it will ever come to pass in my lifetime, since the lawyers are the ones who make the laws.