Hillary Is Such A Sleazebag
From Jim Kuhnhenn and Charles Babington at the AP, Obama now tries to sweep up the mess by saying that he "deeply regrets" his words:
At issue are comments he made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He was trying to explain his troubles winning over some working-class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
The comments, posted Friday on The Huffington Post Web site, set off a blast of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials, and drew attention to a potential Obama weakness -- the image some have that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.
His campaign scrambled to defuse possible damage.
...There has been a small "political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at a town hall-style meeting at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through.
"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country."
After acknowledging his previous remarks in California could have been better phrased, he added:
"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to."
Clinton attacked Obama's remarks much more harshly Saturday than she had the night before, calling them "demeaning." Her aides feel Obama has given them a big opening, pulling the spotlight away from troublesome stories such as former President Clinton's recent revisiting of his wife's misstatements about an airport landing in Bosnia 10 years ago.
...Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.
"The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich," she said.
People cling to faith because they're irrational, and want magical solutions, and because their parents and grandparents and so on clung to faith, and it never occurred to them that they could question it, and because people feel comfortable belonging to groups.
It especially disgusts me that Clinton and Obama will be having a faith-off tonight on TV, as if superstitious belief, belief without evidence, is what we need from a leader of what's still the most powerful nation in the world. ("If you believe in peanutbutter, clap your hands...!")
I don't want the most gullible candidate, I want the one best equipped for critical thinking. Lack of logic leads to things that don't make the slightest bit of fiscal sense, like Hillary's health care plan.







Hillary is still in the race? Yeah, I thought I smelled something ....
Jay R at April 13, 2008 8:37 AM
I don't want the most gullible candidate, I want the one best equipped for critical thinking. Lack of logic leads to things that don't make the slightest bit of fiscal sense, like Hillary's health care plan.
I agree. Let's have a candidate who's demonstrated at least once in his life that he's capable of having an independent thought that wasn't spoon fed to him by an advisor, an opinion poll, a psychic, or some talk radio gasbag on the relevant side of the political spectrum.
I, too, get a bit disgusted with the sanctimony sweepstakes every election year - wherein each candidate tries to out-holy the others. Religion should be a mostly-private matter, not a DKNY sweatshirt. And prayers should be supplications, not marching orders to God as to who should be smited this week.
Didn't First Lady Hillary Clinton have "conversations" with Eleanor Roosevelt? Do these "conversations" indicate Hillary is "spiritually rich?" Will Eleanor be helping Hillary with policy decisions?
Conan the Grammarian at April 13, 2008 9:14 AM
There's no such thing as "critical thinking".
Thank you! Thank you very much. You're too kind. No, please. Thank you.
Crid at April 13, 2008 10:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Amy Alkon at April 13, 2008 11:25 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo
Crid at April 13, 2008 11:44 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2008/04/13/hillary_is_such.html#comment-1539784">comment from CridYou're so cute.
Amy Alkon
at April 13, 2008 11:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Even_Wrong
Radwaste at April 13, 2008 4:05 PM
"People cling to faith because they're irrational, and want magical solutions, and because..."
Amy, you're indulging in a little magical thinking of your own if you actually believe that you know what is behind the thinking of every religious believer on Earth.
Of course, I doubt that you've got the aid of the Force or any other paranormal phenomenon in diagnosing the mental problems of all the crazy religious rednecks (as you see them, anyway) living out in the hinterland.
Nor are you actually indulging in magical thinking. Instead, you are indulging in lazy thinking: You've either taken a few of your own experiences with religous believers you know and extrapolated that limited experience out to the entire human population, or worse, you've taken your own private theory about the nature and causes of religious belief and assumed it to be a universally true fact. Either approach constitutes faulty logic.
Your description is undoubtedly true of SOME religious believers. It is also undoubtedly NOT true of others. You cannot make it true by denigrating everybody who doesn't see it your way.
Dennis at April 13, 2008 4:58 PM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/self-importance
Crid at April 13, 2008 5:05 PM
Well Dennis since you seem to be a rational person not interested in magical solutions please give us your rational explination and proof of god
lujlp at April 13, 2008 6:46 PM
Lack of logic leads to things that don't make the slightest bit of fiscal sense, like Hillary's health care plan.
Agreed. I. Still. Loathe. That. Phoney. Bitch.
Just sayin'.
Flynne at April 14, 2008 6:37 AM
...Not Even Wrong.
That statement sets up a whole different way of looking at people like Dennis, "either approach constitutes faulty logic." This guy is "not even wrong" because if he where to sample only a few of Amy's writings, examples could be found that rational logic is used throughout.
Religion is not even wrong, just look at creationism.
kbling at April 14, 2008 8:14 AM
**It especially disgusts me that Clinton and Obama will be having a faith-off tonight on TV, as if superstitious belief, belief without evidence, is what we need from a leader of what's still the most powerful nation in the world.**
Not to be outdone, Bush has invited more than 7,000 people to trample the White House lawn to celebrate His Papal Goodness after President Bush GOES TO THE AIRPORT HIMSELF TO PICK UP THE POPE.
Later, there will be a gigantic, expensive, White House dinner for the Pope, which the Pope will not attend.
Why? According to Bush, it's because (1) the Pope represents millions and (2) he's a man of faith.
Now join hands and sing "Let's All Gather At The Boob Tube, And Fool The Christians One More Time!". Both parties join in.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at April 14, 2008 10:26 AM
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