Like A Hooker
I understand the hard-wired reasons for valuing virginity and apparent chasteness in a woman, although I personally don't value it. In fact, an inexperienced sex partner doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun to me.
But, this 22-year-old Sac State girl had the idea to auction off her virginity to the highest bidder -- and if news reports are correct, has somebody willing to pay an awful lot to have sex with her for the first time (assuming she's telling the truth, and assuming they don't consider blow jobs sex -- never understood that distinction myself).
From TheImproper.com, complete with pictures, the girl who calls herself "Natalie Dylan" was up to a bid of $250,000 when the article was written:
Dylan hopes to net up to $1 million from the auction, which is taking place in Nevada at the infamous Moonlight Bunny Ranch, a legalized brothel (eBay turned her down). The auction will be conducted online at bunnyranch.com, and the deal will be consummated at the Bunny Ranch, where Dylan's sister already works. "I think it's a tremendous idea," says Ranch owner Dennis Hof. "Why lose it to some guy in the backseat of a Toyota when you can pay for your education?"Dylan says she has no moral issues with auctioning off her virginity. "I don't have a moral dilemma with it," she says. "We live in a capitalist society. Why shouldn't I be allowed to capitalize on my virginity? I understand some people may condemn me, but this is empowering. I'm using what I have to better myself."
Natalie says she got the idea of selling her virginity at auction after hearing about a Peruvian woman who was trying to pay for her mother's medical bills. A Canadian man made a $1.5 million bid, but the woman decided not to go through with the sex.
Dylan's mom, a conservative fourth-grade teacher, initially didn't approve of the auction, but now supports the idea. "I understand some people may condemn me, but, I think this is empowering," says Natalie. "I'm using what I have to better myself."
I think prostitution should be legal -- it's your body, sell it if you want to. This, however, is different from thinking it's a really super idea -- especially for a girl just getting started in the world, who supposedly wants to be a Marriage & Family Therapist, to forever be known as The Girl Who Spread For Grad School.







Here's what's always struck me as odd: If a man hires a woman to have sex, that's illegal, unless he's going to film it and sell it, i.e. porn, which is legal (until, I guess, the Palin administration takes over.) Someone should open a brothel, but call it a "studio" and hire out "actresses" for "rehearsals."
Not me, of course, prostitution is among a number of things I think should be legal, but would not want to try myself, legal or not. (also: drugs, guns.)
Clinky at September 16, 2008 12:53 AM
"Dylan's mom, a conservative fourth-grade teacher, initially didn't approve of the auction, but now supports the idea."
It's all about money. Lady, your kid is a circus geek, capitalizing on American sexual hypocrisy. Be honest.
I can't wait to see what Mom says when she gets cut out of the $$.
Radwaste at September 16, 2008 2:34 AM
> i.e. porn, which is legal (until,
> I guess, the Palin administration
> takes over
Is there a joke worth making here? Has anyone in government even mentioned pornography since Ed Meese back in '87? Yeah... Sure... The Palin Administration (!!!) wants to stop pornography with government power.
Treacher tried to coin a phrase along the lines of "Palin Derangement Syndrome" the other day, but it's too late, and besides the point. It's not a syndrome, it's an condition attendant with Democratic politicking. In a world of dastardly forces that can really really fuck you up, the Democrats would rather dream up horrific new characteristics about the mild personalities that they ought to be able to defeat with straight argument.
Wutup widdat?
Crid [cridcridatgmail] at September 16, 2008 2:44 AM
I read an article about this last week. The article stated that Ms. Dylan was a "women's study major"....
Gee, a chick who hates men hasn't been laid yet - BIG surprise.
Tom at September 16, 2008 5:37 AM
She thinks it's "empowering", huh? I think she's fooling herself. But whatever. Her body, after all. o_O
Flynne at September 16, 2008 5:54 AM
Not a fan of Palin's thinking on a number of issues, and I find her unqualified to be vice president, but I find all the distortion -- from both sides of the political fence -- extremely unhelpful. I'm still waiting for some mainstream reporter to take on Percy Sutton's remark that Obama's education was funded by the Saudis. Sutton gave a very detailed account and then his family said he was "mistaken," or something along those lines. Was he?
Amy Alkon at September 16, 2008 5:56 AM
This is hilarious as hell and, frankly, I can only think you go, girl!
Face it, this is a one-shot deal. The cash is gonna give her a huge step up on life. And, Christ, you've got to admit it's certainly smarter than losing your virginity to some loser. At least if she winds up pregnant (and why do I doubt this, why do I think someone this savvy their first time out is gonna be prepared), she'll be able to take care of baby.
Beats the hell out of those of us who loved and lost and wound up struggling single moms. I'm jealous.
Besides, if you honestly believe prostitution should be legal, that's all she's doing however uniquely. Good for her for figuring out how to get the highest price she possibly can for what is something she can sell one time only, after all. If she's gonna sell it, more power to her for getting the highest price. Better she should walk out to a street corner and sell it cheap? Good for her for knowing her worth.
And, Amy, I get your point about her inexperience but, hell, let the free market decide on that. Obviously, she's only gonna get what some john thinks her virginity is worth. Frankly, guys sure seem to think it's something to have a virgin. I don't get why either but they do seem to place some value on it.
T's Grammy at September 16, 2008 6:09 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2008/09/16/like_a_hooker.html#comment-1590704">comment from T's GrammyShe's a novelty item; the guy isn't buying in for her technique.
Amy Alkon
at September 16, 2008 6:22 AM
No, Amy. She's the unpopular girl who always wanted to be a slut.
And the free market has finally given her a chance.
brian at September 16, 2008 6:49 AM
I'm with T's Grammy - more power to the girl. If she actually makes off with $1 million out of this, she won't NEED to worry about what other people think. And wow, talk about getting a head start in life - no student loans, no debt - if I'd done something like this, instead of losing my virginity to a complete jerk who didn't even treat me that great, I could have saved myself four years of working two jobs after college.
Time will pass, and she won't even think about it, but she'll still be rich.
Pirate Jo at September 16, 2008 6:52 AM
Yay for virgins as fantasy trollopes!
(God, I can't stand that orange-skinned bridge & tunnel hooker look. T's Grammy's comment is far more generous!)
Jody Tresidder at September 16, 2008 6:57 AM
I'm still waiting for some mainstream reporter to take on Percy Sutton's remark that Obama's education was funded by the Saudis. Sutton gave a very detailed account and then his family said he was "mistaken," or something along those lines. Was he?
Amy, Amy, Amy. Don't you know that it's far more important to the future of the Republic to know about how Palin supports aerial hunting of wolves and that she fired people when she took office in Wasilla? And that she doesn't believe in dinosaurs? (Oh wait, she does, I think.) And that she looks like a porn star?
I too find it interesting that people are willing to pay that much to sleep with an inexperienced sex partner, but I guess that just about anything rare these days can find a market. (I can understand why someone might value virginity/chastity in a romantic partner with whom one is becoming intimately involved in an emotional sense, but that's presumably not the scenario here.) Hope she demands stringent STD testing for her partner if she goes through with this, though, to avoid a "Last Days of Disco"-type situation.
Come to think of it, I wonder if she's considered ditching the whole actual auction and instead turning the idea into a screenplay. Geeky/brainy girl who's pined after the same popular guy throughout college is suddenly in need of money to pay for her mother's liver transplant (or something like that). She decides to auction her virginity and becomes a celebrity in the process. Meanwhile, the guy who's always been quietly in love with her decides to raise the funds any way he can, while the popular guy is intrigued by the idea (turns out he's got the Madonna/whore thing going on) and also throws his hat into the ring...
marion at September 16, 2008 7:37 AM
The Girl Who Spread For Grad School.
Well, it's been done before.
It's amusing to read the feminist blogs and find out how many feminists claim to have stripped and screwed their way through college and grad school.
More amusing how they still blame all their woes on the Patriarchy and most are down on men who visit strip clubs or visit hookers.
I think a lot of us have had the choice of jobs we didn't like, or we felt were demeaning. If it's for food or rent, we may take that job. A lot of also went to community colleges which are just about free instead of taking jobs we don't like.
Let's see: UCLA vs. CSUN vs. Los Angeles Valley College? Waiting tables vs. Engineering (paid) internship vs. working in the library vs. working in the cafeteria vs. working for the city filling potholes or sewers vs. stripping or hooking.
And of course, men have all the privilege in the world, and not these women who were able to get jobs stripping that many/most? women would not have the looks for.
jerry at September 16, 2008 8:49 AM
Eh. Since ancient times, virgin prostitutes have garnered a premium price. What's the big deal? Nothing new here.
I do think it's funny how the feminists here have lionized this curvy little dick bag. After this, let's hear no more about how prostitution "victimizes" women.
Now me, I think a guy who'll pay that much money for sex, even with a virgin, doesn't deserve to be potent. America is a slut rich environment. Hit any watering hole after midnight, and you can have sex with bar sluts that are a lot better looking than Miss Marriage Counselor. For free. Free.
Just a note to the Johns out there: you can barter dick for pussy. Tax free baby.
Sure legalize prostitution. But like the lottery, paying for pussy is a tax on the stupid.
Jeff at September 16, 2008 8:51 AM
Time will pass, and she won't even think about it, but she'll still be rich.
Only if she invests her money wisely. 'cause this money train makes only one stop.
...to forever be known as The Girl Who Spread For Grad School.
How'd you like to Google that little tidbit about your fiance?
...a girl...who supposedly wants to be a Marriage & Family Therapist....
And what parent out there is going to send his/her troubled teenage daughter to a family therapist who thinks selling her virginity is "empowering?"
I suppose the one good thing about having someone like her for your daughter's therapist is that she'll advise your daughter to wait until she's eighteen. Okay, she'll be waiting until she can legally sell it, but at least she'll be waiting.
Conan the Grammarian at September 16, 2008 8:53 AM
Hmmm.....felatio is not sex?
Well that's news to me.
I would have thought that if anything, this was arguably more intimate and personal.
Guess the Clinton affair really shifted the boundaries.
bruce
http://www.brucemhood.com
bruce hood at September 16, 2008 9:08 AM
> Face it, this is a one-shot deal.
Yew sher?
Crid [cridcridatgmail] at September 16, 2008 9:10 AM
The hard-wiring is in men, not women. You're not a man. Ergo, you don't have the hard-wiring. Women positively value men who have demonstrated sexual dominance. By contrast, men have evolved a "slut defense" for relationships.
I guess in the article, the pussy market, we're not talking about relationships. So your point applies, I guess.
Jeff at September 16, 2008 9:29 AM
Dammit! Why didn't I think of that?
Seriously, this whole thing will blow over and she'll still be loaded. Brilliant. Though how she managed to still have that particular asset at her age is beyond me.
Btw, how much money does it take to be able to live off the interest?
christina at September 16, 2008 9:36 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2008/09/16/like_a_hooker.html#comment-1590767">comment from JeffThanks, Jeff, I understand that, but I also know men who realize the value of an experienced woman, and who wouldn't be interested in a girl like this, even if she were giving it away free.
Amy Alkon
at September 16, 2008 9:42 AM
If I can go out on a limb, so to speak:
A heterosexual woman of her age and attractiveness is a virgin if one of the two (or both) is true:
1) She's a completely intolerable bitch.
2) She's a devoutly religious woman.
And unless she's gone apostate, it's highly unlikely that Woman #2 would be selling her box on the internet.
brian at September 16, 2008 9:42 AM
Exactly, Amy, and she's gonna sell that novelty item to the highest bidder. Go, girl! And Jeff's right. This is actually nothing new. And it must be a guy thing. I think we gals are more tuned to appreciate a guy who already knows what he's doing.
T's Grammy at September 16, 2008 9:51 AM
Amy, I understand concerns about Palin's lack of experience. However, didn't John Edwards have even less than her when he was the Democrats' VP candidate in 2004? Edwards had zero executive and zero foreign policy experience, yet I didn't hear anyone bleating about him being too inexperienced to be VP.
By the way, Palin has MORE executive experience and just as much foreign policy experience than Obama, Amy. She is, by any objective standard, more qualified to be President than Obama is. Methinks you should be WAY more concerned about that. Why aren't you?
Tom at September 16, 2008 10:15 AM
Please, please let Tom's comment at 10.15 AM be intended for this thread!
Jody Tresidder at September 16, 2008 10:20 AM
I love this girl. If I had it to sell, I would happily sell my virginity. It's her body and I am all about her right to sell it. And it isn't about the quality of the fucking - it's all about the novelty.
So already this morning, I have humiliated and slapped a gay guy around - then fucked him in the ass - made $200 before breakfast. I expect that I will make about $400 bucks today, if nothing else comes in - which it usually does.
Three weeks ago, I was on the very edge of losing the roof over my families head. So my GF and I discussed it and decided to give this a try. We love each other very much and our kids even more. We are secure in our relationship and our sexuality. We both service members of both genders. We specialize in fantasies and fetishes, but go for the straight up whoring as well.
If I don't squeeze one in before, I have a noon appointment and will go from there to picking up the eldest at his bus stop after school. Then I will hang with the kids while GF does a Domination gig.
The shittiest aspects of our new profession are all related to it's illicit nature. Given that it's perfectly legal to just give it away, it makes no sense that I can go to jail for selling it. Also makes no sense that my profession isn't regulated and made safer for everyone involved.
Puritanical bullshit - through and through.
A Right Handy Whore at September 16, 2008 10:41 AM
Amy -
...but I also know men who realize the value of an experienced woman, and who wouldn't be interested in a girl like this, even if she were giving it away free.
I think that is most men, at least those over the age of 25. There are however, a great many men who would love to hit that, both for the novelty and because they can feel like a kid again. Then there are the guys who would love the idea of "teaching" her about the sex. There are really a great deal of diverse reasons that guys would be interested - and I can promise that she could make a fucking ton with this gig.
A Right Handy Whore at September 16, 2008 10:50 AM
Jody T said...
'Please, please let Tom's comment at 10.15 AM be intended for this thread!"
Amy said at 5:56
"Not a fan of Palin's thinking on a number of issues, and I find her unqualified to be vice president, but I find all the distortion -- from both sides of the political fence -- extremely unhelpful. I'm still waiting for some mainstream reporter to take on Percy Sutton's remark that Obama's education was funded by the Saudis. Sutton gave a very detailed account and then his family said he was "mistaken," or something along those lines. Was he?"
Tom at September 16, 2008 10:53 AM
There is another more weird, supernatural reason that motivates men and that is the idea of absorbing (through sex) the youth and vitality of the essence of the individual .
For example, in South Africa, belief in the virgin cure for AIDS/HIV still persists. Its absolutely abhorrent because it invariably involves the rape of children. The belief is that sex with virgins cures illness and was even prevalent in western society at one point.
Actually such beliefs are still rife throughout the cosmetic industry but that's another blog,
best
bruce
http://www.brucemhood.com
bruce hood at September 16, 2008 11:34 AM
Tom,
Sorry for merrily misreading the relevance of your earlier comment! (I was blown off course by the bit about John Edwards and his lack of executive experience.)
Jody Tresidder at September 16, 2008 11:42 AM
No worries, Jody T. I'm just puzzled as to how all of my liberal friends are unhinged by Palin and her "lack of experience" yet don't see the same in Edwards or Obama.
The intellectual dishonesty is just staggering. I guess you throw all of that to the curb when you become a member of the Church of Liberalism....
Tom at September 16, 2008 11:59 AM
I guess you throw all of that to the curb when you become a member of the Church of Liberalism....
You throw it all away when you become an extremist. Doesn't matter the focus of your extremism, righty extremists are just as bad as the lefty ones. Ixian extremists are just as bad as the anti-religion extremists. Extremism is blinding and tends one towards propagating bullshit.
DuWayne at September 16, 2008 12:26 PM
>>You throw it all away when you become an extremist.
With six weeks to go, everyone's becoming an extremist, DuWayne!
Jody Tresidder at September 16, 2008 12:45 PM
DuWayne - Agreed. However, the subject was liberals.
Tom at September 16, 2008 12:47 PM
Jody -
Me too really, but my vote is for none of the above - I'm really fucking adamant about abstention.
DuWayne at September 16, 2008 12:51 PM
Tom, you'll be happy to know that this liberal doesn't care about her lack of experience. It is her beliefs that I object to.
NicoleK at September 16, 2008 2:51 PM
Meh, so she's a whore. No big deal, just so long as I never hear her using her woman's studies education to lambast prostitution and those evil evil "johns".
If she gets it, good on her and the man who pays is a fool, who's money will have parted along with her "viginity". My guess its a "technical virginity" anyway.
Also, will she have her hymen certified by a doctor? Witnesses that she never broke it herself via toys or say riding a horse? That she's never visited a plastic surgeon to get it reconstructed? Her teacher mom can use that cash to get her's reconstructed as an anniversary gift to hubby or something. Read about that somewhere last year. "Honey, I paid 5 grand to get my hymen restored! Happy 20th!"
Us guys value virginity for varying reasons already mentioned but the main historical one IMHO has been that it means the kids will be his, or at least the first one will very likely be. Given the advent of DNA/blood tests this really doesnt matter much anymore. Unless you dont want to deal with the guilt trips from the mother.
SIo at September 16, 2008 3:20 PM
For 22, she's kinda chunky. She should sell that kitty while she has a chance, because she will probably be a cow in 10 years.
It is a neat idea, and as a capitalist pig dog myself I say go for the money. I pay good money in tax dollars for the government to fuck me on a daily basis, though it is not nearly as fun as the proposed arrangement here.
So a question for the tax people, what would her take be from the 250k? After half goes to the house, expenses, taxes, would she even net 100k from the poke? Does Nevada have a state income tax? What are the taxes for brothels, etc. Inquiring minds want to know...
Sterling at September 16, 2008 5:42 PM
I really, really, really wish I'd thought of this. It's brilliant. But I am all for legalizing prostitution. How can you say a woman owns her body to the point she can kill a baby in it, but doesn't own it enough to be able to sell it for sex? Much like the arguments used for legalizing abortion, it's no one's damn business but the woman's, and it happens anyway and we might as well make it safer.
It is interesting how many strippers/hookers are on drugs and victims of choldhood sex abuse. The college girl stripping her way through college is mostly a myth, although it makes for some big tips for the girl using that line.
I don't think I'd like my daughter doing it, but what really is the difference in that and some horny high schooler lying about how much he loves her to get in her pants?
momof3 at September 16, 2008 5:51 PM
momof3 -
I don't think I'd like my daughter doing it, but what really is the difference in that and some horny high schooler lying about how
much he loves her to get in her pants?
She actually knows from the getgo where everyone is at. No wondering, hoping, pretending that this guy is the one. (recently overheard a neighbors daughter explaining that she had met her soul mate, etc, ect. - she is so sixteen)
Another provider in the area, whom I have worked with a couple times, is a college student. She does a lot of fetish and Domination (my own specialty), though she also does straightforward whoring too. She has three housemates and figures that she probably has less sex than any of them, gets paid for it (covers everything but tuition) and is probably just as satisfied with her sex life.
While it's not for everyone, whoring is really not a bad life. If you like the sex and are going to be promiscuous anyways, why not get paid. Ultimately who is the bigger whore, the girl who fucks the next guy to buy her a drink or the girl who takes home a couple hundred bucks for it? No question who the cheaper whore is.
A Right Handy Whore at September 16, 2008 6:55 PM
Apparently, this is becoming a trend....
Italian model plans to sell virginity for 1m euros
jerry at September 16, 2008 9:57 PM
BTW, how much money does it take to be able to live off the interest?
Well according to an accountant I once talked to, at about $300K the money becomes self propagating. And figure that you can easily find a bank/investments that will give you a return of 5% on $1M. At that rate you are looking about $50K a year.
I don't think you could live on that on the coasts, but in flyover country that would be a nice yearly chunk of cash.
Jim P. at September 17, 2008 7:28 AM
How many strippers/hookers do you know, momof3? Was that statement based on research, or?
I live in the Bay area and I could certainly live on 50k! Of course, I don't have a mortgage or munchkins. Thanks, Jim. Now I just need to come up an idea to get that. Any suggestions?
christina at September 17, 2008 8:38 AM
"So a question for the tax people, what would her take be from the 250k? After half goes to the house, expenses, taxes, would she even net 100k from the poke? Does Nevada have a state income tax? What are the taxes for brothels, etc. Inquiring minds want to know..."
If she took the half of the pot, $125,000, she would pay federal self employment taxes of about $15,000 and federal income taxes of about $25,000. So, she will net $85,000 after taxes (125,000 - 15,000 - 25,000).
The brothel (assuming corporation) would pay federal income taxes of about $32,000 on $125,000 income. So, they will net $93,000 (125,000 - 93,000).
Nevada does not have state income taxes.
Chang at September 17, 2008 9:35 AM
I'm just having trouble getting my mind around the idea of a guy who is such a winner that he has a quarter of a million (or more; the bidding isn't done yet) to spend, but such a loser that he'd spend it on a single lay.
Rex Little at September 17, 2008 11:48 AM
I'm just having trouble getting my mind around the idea of a guy who is such a winner that he has a quarter of a million...
He'll be one of the NE corridor trust fund liberal kids that look down on those of us who have to work for a living. ;-)
Jim P. at September 17, 2008 12:32 PM
Or one of the kids' fathers, who's secretly harboring a Robert Redford-type fantasy, a al 'Indecent Proposal'? o_O
Flynne at September 17, 2008 12:36 PM
A LA, la, a la...I hate it when I type too fast. +_+
Flynne at September 17, 2008 12:37 PM
Rex Little -
You would probably be amazed at what some men will spend on what. My partner and I are both trying to nail down a couple high end fetish clients. They are baby fetishists (i.e. they want to pretend they are infants - not sick pedos). We had a false start with both of them, because we listed our rates for them too low ($250, $100 more than a normal dom session). I have the one who is interested in me nailed down finally, $450 an hour - wants 1.5 - 2 hour sessions.
Or there is my favorite foot/shoe fetishist who pays 2.5 times our normal rate for dom sessions, because it is imperative that he be shoved into my shoe closet, requiring that my family take off (he's the only client we have allowed into our home - sixty-eight, classical pianist - all family pics off the walls). Literally all that I do, is shove him in our shoe closet, call him nasty names, whip him with a medium light lash and shove him around with my bare feet. Once a week, whenever he's in town (he lives half and half here and in L.A.).
My partner has a client who buys panties for her to wear and give to him. He requires four to five pair a week and pays her two hundred bucks a week for them. She also gets the occasional client who wants to buy her panties - I have one who wanted her to wear panties right after she and I had the sex and payed $150 for the pair.
Not quite at that high end, but reaching there. If we can break into the baby fetish market, we can make serious money. Some of the guys who are into that will pay thousands for providers who will travel to them. We also have a few fetish clients who would like us to go through a Nevada house, so that we can go to the level that they want. We would be happy to do that here, but it is more comfortable for them, if it is done where it is legal to do so.
Folks who have enough money, will spend it on all sorts of bizarre things. The guy who ultimately spends the fortune for her cherry will probably be mostly excited by the fact that he could do it. It is the excitement of having something that most other folks can't afford. About the only thing more exciting than that for guys like that, is convincing some random young women to fuck them for money. The higher they have to go, the more exciting it is for them.
The psychology of sex and sex as it relates to money is really fascinating.
A Right Handy Whore at September 17, 2008 12:59 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2008/09/16/like_a_hooker.html#comment-1591157">comment from A Right Handy WhoreRight Handy, just want to thank you. Really fascinating stuff. I love the shoe closet guy.
Amy Alkon
at September 17, 2008 1:14 PM
I love the shoe closet guy too, he is just a riot. He almost didn't want to book as a client, after taking me out to lunch. He felt that it would sully the great enjoyment he had talking with me - felt that I am just to interesting. I saved it by telling him; "It's ok, I'm a whore. A sophisticated whore to be sure, but a whore none the less." He was totally mine after that.
A Right Handy Whore at September 17, 2008 1:20 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2008/09/16/like_a_hooker.html#comment-1591177">comment from A Right Handy WhoreI saved it by telling him; "It's ok, I'm a whore. A sophisticated whore to be sure, but a whore none the less." He was totally mine after that.
Just great.
Amy Alkon
at September 17, 2008 2:40 PM
Like every other endeavor in my life, I take pride in what I am doing and aim to do it very well. And for the niche I am trying to fill, I do very well indeed. I get paid to be exactly the person that a given client wants me to be.
For shoe closet guy, it was rather complex, because what he wants from a meal companion is at odds with what he wants from a whore. It was a close thing and I was pretty sure I had fucked it up, but it has worked out great. Not only do I shove him in my shoe closet, he takes great pleasure at taking me out to some of his favorite area restaurants.
Honestly, I felt a certain pride when I told him that, because I knew it was true. And because I'm not just any two bit whore, I'm a really good whore.
A Right Handy Whore at September 17, 2008 6:04 PM
My question is, if a guy wants a virgin, 'takes' her virginity, thus making her a non-virgin, does she lose her value in his eyes, because now she's used goods?
P.S. Good luck finding one these days that's not jail-bait!
Chrissy at September 18, 2008 6:59 AM
>>P.S. Good luck finding one these days that's not jail-bait!
Chrissy,
Interesting story (tangentially!) on that angle in today's [UK] Daily Mail.
The Mail (conservative) has given this prominence in part because the sentencing is unusual for a case involving a gap of some 13 years between the female and accused male.
A barman who admitted raping a girl of 12 walked free from court after it was revealed his victim said she was a 19-year-old mother.
Michael Graham, 25, admitted raping the youngster after the pair spent a day drinking vodka and beer and smoking cannabis.
A court heard the 12-year-old persuaded Graham she was a mother aged 19 after they met on a social networking website.
Passing sentence, Judge Jennifer Kershaw QC said the girl deliberately tricked him into thinking she was older before they had consensual sex.
She added: 'I accept the defendant did not know how old this girl was. I accept he did not know she was under the age of 16, still less did he know she was in fact 12.
The other pertinent bit from the story:
Leeds Crown Court heard a psychiatrist's report on Graham had concluded he had no sexual interest in children and is not a paedophile.
Graham's name will be on the Sex Offenders' Register for 12 months, the minimum required by law.
Jody Tresidder at September 18, 2008 7:21 AM
I wonder if Graham's date was a virgin, although I'm sure he didn't care. I sounds like he just wanted to get laid.
Chrissy at September 18, 2008 8:29 AM
>>I wonder if Graham's date was a virgin, although I'm sure he didn't care. I sounds like he just wanted to get laid.
True, Chrissy.
Reading the Mail sometimes, you get the impression there are no virgins left in the UK:)
Jody Tresidder at September 18, 2008 9:31 AM
"Like every other endeavor in my life, I take pride in what I am doing and aim to do it very well. And for the niche I am trying to fill, I do very well indeed. I get paid to be exactly the person that a given client wants me to be."
If the Wall Street honchos understood this concept, we would not be in this financial mess right now.
They were more interested in their own pockets than the clients, investors, who hired them to invest money with discipline to generate the profits for the clients.
This quotes below are from the movie, "Pretty Woman".
Vivian: So, what's your name?
Edward Lewis: Edward.
Vivian: Really? That's my favorite name in the whole world.
Chang at September 18, 2008 9:42 AM
Chrissy -
My question is, if a guy wants a virgin, 'takes' her virginity, thus making her a non-virgin, does she lose her value in his eyes, because now she's used goods?
No she doesn't. Not that this makes him a decent guy, but because she never had any value in his eyes to begin with (unless it's a similar age BF, but I assume we're talking about older menfolk, like the one who will ultimately get this chicks cherry). The girl isn't the valuable, her virginity is.
Look at it from this perspective. What is more important to you, the soda can or what's inside of it? Do you save the soda can after the soda is gone? Does the can have any value after the soda is gone? Before the soda was gone, how much value did you place on the can? Because we are talking about the exact same sort of thing.
A Right Handy Whore at September 18, 2008 10:01 AM
Then it's a good thing she's charging a lot for her cherry. In 'Memoirs of a Geisha' (the book), the guy who took the protagonist's cherry actually had a hymen collection from all the virgins he'd had. He wasn't interested in her after the act, I think he enjoyed feeling that his dick was so strong and manly that it could push through. That's why they sew up women in some barbaric Muslim countries-nothing like pushing through scar tissue to make you feel all He-Man!
Chrissy at September 18, 2008 10:59 AM
That is exactly the sort of mentality we are talking about. Unfortunately, as is often the case with fictitious characters, this one exists in the real world. And in somewhat prodigious quantities. (though I doubt all that many of them would actually collect hymens)
A Right Handy Whore at September 19, 2008 11:22 AM
I knew a lot of strippers in college, most of them dabbled in whoring, and had I had bigger boobs, probably would have been one. Mind you, I could have worked and made money with what I had, plenty of guys like the little boobs, it was an insecurity thing with me. Anyway, I had "friends" that did, most of whom were really mentally messed up. They really thought they'd find a guy that way who would take them away from it all.
Not saying all sex workers are, but a large percentage. I think that career draws women who have already been used for sex, more than it draws women who see it as a great way to make money doing something reasonably enjoyable.
I did not come to my opinion from women's studies classes, if that's what you're asking :) but from observation.
momof3 at September 21, 2008 2:46 PM
momof3 -
Oh, I am well aware that a lot of sex workers aren't into it. I occasionally need other providers to work with (focusing on fantasies and fetishes is fun, but many scenarios require help) and it can be a challenge to find providers who aren't in that category. Even then, the challenge is finding other providers who aren't junkies of one flavor or another.
I think that it makes a difference, when you balance basic whoring, with sidelines that really don't require a lot of fucking. Little more than half my clients actually want sexual contact with me. Some like to watch close up sex shows - and direct, while a lot of my fetish/fantasy clients have a specific bent that isn't (for most people) even sexual. Not that it makes a huge difference to me, but for a lot of the providers who get into that, it makes it easier to deal with the rest.
The folks who just can't seem to get enthused, often times don't grasp the basic nature of whoring. Ninety-nine percent of the job, is being the person your client wants you to be. I have a client to see for the second time today. He took me out to lunch and a museum the first time I saw him and will be taking me hiking this afternoon. Whatever the situation with the client, the most important thing is to be what they want.
Most clients just want an enthusiastic lover/fetish provider. They want to be god in the sack and expect a response that indicates they are - every one of my clients is the very best at whatever they do - except for my wannabe slaves, who are usually just shit at everything - according to their wishes. If a whore doesn't get that, can't be that, they are going to be miserable. And victims of sexual abuse, rape or plain bad sexual choices, usually have a very bad time of it - though they often make spectacular Doms if they can get through some of it. That, in fact, is part of my partner's motivation to be a dom, even though she still prefers to be a submissive in our own relationship.
A Right Handy Whore at September 22, 2008 10:56 AM
Oi, I should also note that much of what I know about sex and sexuality, came from women's studies texts that I read when I first discovered that pictures of naked women were fun to look at. I can't speak for the philosophical issues they addressed (at ten, I just wasn't interested), but I have to say that it gave me a leg up on learning to be a decent lover. I knew about and knew how to stimulate the g-spot, long before I ever actually got my hands on a pussy (other than I'll show you mine.....)
A Right Handy Whore at September 22, 2008 11:03 AM
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