Given the west's near total enervation at this point, the only thing I can recommend is to purchase several firearms and go somewhere they don't want to be, and hope you die before they take over.

The fact that this country just elected Obama tells me that at least 52% of our population has the same attitude that has allowed the Islamists to position themselves so well un Europe.

42% of the country are retarded. About that many think the CIA or the Jooooos! did 9/11. Only recently, I've encountered the "US is a theocracy" canard. If this is a theocracy, what is Iran? Jeesh.

I don't know what to do. In truth, I despair.

Unfortunately, there is only one solution. There has to be reprisals so terrible that they will curse the “infidels” for the next 2000 years. Turn sandy Mecca and Medina into tracts of nuclear glass. The British dealt with Muslim extremists over 100 years ago. They castrated them and buried them in pig skins. It stopped the problems. There are NO peaceful solutions with someone whose core is filled with shame because Muslims don't dominate non-believers.

I almost wondering if supporting fundy judeo-christian groups would help with this. Point the whole bag of nuts at each other and scream infidel. Then sell tickets on pay per view.

The only other option is wait till the militant Muslims show their true colors (in a way most dip shits can see) and then violence becomes justified, unfortunately one more 9/11, possibly something worse. The idea of outright genocide just doesn't sit right. This is the solution everyone is tip toeing around.

This is the solution everyone is tip toeing around.

Because that worked so well for the Germans.

Sure, there's something cathartic about obliterating a third of the human population. But unless you evaporate all of them, there's gonna be a whole lot of rotting corpses to deal with.

Not to mention that a move like that would send the marginal believers in other countries underground, and convince them that their religion was, in fact, correct, and start the whole cycle over.

No, we need to kill the ones who are calling for jihad while propagandizing to the effect of "Where's your precious Allah now?". Completely destroy their moral investment in the religion and remove it as a valid political viewpoint.

Destroy Islam, the problem goes away with a minimum of killing.

...the only thing I can recommend is to purchase several firearms and go somewhere they don't want to be, and hope you die before they take over.

Got mine already. I ain't tip toein' around nuthin'. I'm happy to just live my life, staying far out of their way, as long as they stay far out of MY way. If they don't, too bad for them. I will NOT go quietly. I'll die fighting before I'll live under Sharia law, and before I see anyone else in this country having to live that way too. YMMV; mine won't o.O

I dunno ... how about cutting off all Muslim immigration?

"I dunno ... how about cutting off all Muslim immigration?" Those that commit the crimes are under the death oath in which they can lie about their religion, drink, and eat ham. That would only block the peaceful honest ones.

As much as Amy scream no, there are peaceful Muslims. Otherwise we'd be in a Sharia state or in the middle of an open war of attrition. Most of them think you should convert or pay an extra tax for being infidels. They do not however feel that this should be archived through violent means. I'm not saying their belief is logical or directly follows the Koran but that's their belief.

Any people who tolerate the presence of a "cleric" who advocates the overthrow of the government deserve what they get.

You'd strip the tax exemption of a religion that dares endorse a candidate, while ignoring an ideology that advocates your enslavement or death? That's not principle, that's cowardice.

Their "religion" commends them for lying to you. Go ahead, keep listening, be tolerant.

I'm going with the golden rule. Do unto them as they would do unto you.

Every time a group of these assholes gets blown up, they have something to rally around. Being a "martyr" is glamourous, a way to be remembered. My thoughts are that we need to take them out, but skip the press release. What happened to covert operations and secret assassinations?

Vlad,

Their belief is evil. Look at what is happening in Europe where Muslims represent a higher percentage of the population. Should we, as western liberal democracies, not try and limit the entry of people that do not believe in our principals and freedoms?

Oh ... one last thing. Anyone ever notice that although moderate Muslims sometimes speak out against Jihadist violence, they never actually do anything about it? In fact,they allow the Jihadists do operate without any resistance. Why is that? I believe that it's because they have the same objectives. They will not try to stop the Jihadists because they believe in their goals. That's why I believe a large Muslims influx is a scary thing.

"Muslims sometimes speak out against Jihadist violence, they never actually do anything about it?" Would the same justification be used for moderate Catholics who speak out against clinic bombings but do nothing? Do they all secretly support their actions? It could be that they have no idea what to do against them. Look at it this way: You have a very well armed violent psychopath your not a trained combatant. How do you resist them. Think of the post Amy put out about the Muslim Apostate. How many people think he's going to survive the next year or the next 5? In the current situation moderates would have to have a death wish before speaking out outside the US, remember apostates die faster than infidels. Now the US bans all Muslim immigration, there is NO safe haven for moderate Islam to flourish. The militants will lie to get into this country. You are now guaranteeing only violent militants get in.

As far as the covert ops, here's a question if we were doing it how would we all know about it? I agree though that covert ops would be the best way to deal with the problem.

MarkD wrote: I'm going with the golden rule. Do unto them as they would do unto you.

I think you kinda got that inverted there, Sport. Do you people even own Bibles? I'm not sure, were Jesus alive today, that He would advocate the nuclear option, or genocide.

A British diplomat with many years' experience in the Middle East said of Islamists, "They're either under your heal or at your throat."

It's our choice.

Here in the U.S. we value the right to freedom of speech, but we also make exceptions.

Yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater is one. Sedition is another, and what Omar Bakri said is clearly seditious.

I don't know about the U.K., but here in America sedition is still illegal under the Smith Act of 1940.

Whether the creative courts we seem to have these days would actually enforce the Smith Act, however, is another matter.

Britain, for all of her glory, I regret, will hopefully be an example to illustrate to the Americans the ultimate consequence of such tolerance.

Even still, I don't think this will happen in the United States. For geography, size, mindset, amongst other reasons, what will happen to Britain will not likely happen here. I'm not putting it past judgment, but not enough cards are in place to make such a divisive conclusion.

For it to happen in the US, I imagine that guns would need to be outlawed and confiscated (not going to happen), new state laws that give protection to Muslims, and that Muslim factions need to take over (at least at the start) small segments of political influence. Also, not going to happen.

Maybe Sarah Palin will serve a proper purpose in the future after all. I mean, if she can convince a quarter of this country that a half black guy hangs out with terrorists, she'd probably have some sway with such believers by pointing out other groups.