The Best Person For The Job
(...As long as that person isn't white or a man.) Shockingly, Secretary of Labor Robert Reich is coming out against hiring white male construction workers. He writes on his blog a blog item charmingly titled "The Stimulus: How to Create Jobs Without Them All Going to Skilled Professionals and White Male Construction Workers." An excerpt:
And if construction jobs go mainly to white males who already dominate the construction trades, many people who need jobs the most -- women, minorities, and the poor and long-term unemployed -- will be shut out.
While I'm against government stimulus packages, and for government getting out of the way of business to kick-start our economy, if our tax dollars are going for a stimulus package and I don't have a choice in the matter, I'd really like to see the hiring done based on who's the best person for the job.
And, I don't know about you, but *I* sure don't hire the person who needs the job the most, and I sure don't want to patronize businesses that do.
has it ever occur to anyone, that sometimes, a person who needs the job the most may be the best person for the job.
WLIL at January 23, 2009 1:17 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/01/23/reich_racism.html#comment-1622616">comment from WLILPerhaps, by that, you mean a person may work harder or be less likely to take the job for granted. But, in skilled jobs, skill matters. Just ask somebody who's experienced shoddy construction.
Do you really want the surgeon who needs the job the most?
And conversely, the person who needs the job the least may be the best person for the job.
How about we just hire the best person for the job?You know, that "content of (a person's) character" stuff MLK talked about.
Amy Alkon at January 23, 2009 1:32 AM
Yes, I do think that skills (and pofessionalism) is very important (for any job).
WLIL at January 23, 2009 2:14 AM
anyway, those unprofessional employers who don't employ the best person for any job would only end up being a loser.
WLIL at January 23, 2009 2:27 AM
Damn these white males and their work ethic! Get to the back of the bus!
Norman at January 23, 2009 4:19 AM
Perhaps you ought to re-read what the guy has said and you will discover that you are letting your own biases color what you jump on.
n. zuckerman at January 23, 2009 4:58 AM
Since people tend to comment on the article without first bothering to read it, here is his concrete suggestion:
I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people with incomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level.
He specifically wants to provide job training for these people. The catch is this: try to find any number of long-term unemployed who actually want to - and are able to - hold down a job.
I know it is anecdotal, but I have occasionally attempted to take people seriously who have signs out "will work for food" and the like. The usual conversation runs along these lines:
Me: "I have some yard work you can do".
Them: "Oh, you know, I have this bum knee...can't you just give me 20 bucks?"
Me: "Nope, bye..."
The one time one of these people actually took my address and we agreed a time, he never showed up. I haven't tried again for years, because there just seems to be no point.
On the other hand, I have had one or two people show up at my door offering to do whatever kind of work we had. I found something - one of these guys even came back a few times and I saw him at a neighbor's house as well.
If there is a point to this ramble, it is this: if someone wants work, he or she can find some. The long-term unemployed are usually unemployed for a reason.
bradley13 at January 23, 2009 6:04 AM
We are so fucked.
brian at January 23, 2009 6:05 AM
Yes, Brian, we are. This is the most fucking idiot thing I've heard yet. I'm sure that will change, it's only been 3 days, unfortunately. If a person wants to work, they will. Period. I've seen plenty of women working construction. My own aunt was an arc-welder. And god knows there are plenty of minorities, although they are almost all brown, and probably off the books. But they work!
Reminds me of that fucking idiotic comment the NO mayor said, about all the mexicans coming in rebuilding his city-that they intended to keep it a chocolate city. Ugh, if the blacks that lived there wanted to work, they would be!
momof3 at January 23, 2009 6:15 AM
There's was a book written by a New-Yorker about giving jobs based on need. the book is called Atlas Shrugged.
If he may be interested, Mr. Reich can see the result of such affirmative action in many African countries. When Zimbabwe is a shiny example, the South-African electrical company Eskom. For years, this company made the choice to stop promoting White employees to help with the "Racial and Social" balance of South-Africa. The result? Not only they are dealing with brownouts on a regular basis but the competent white employees left the field (and even the country) for greener pastures.
I wonder how long it will take for some companies to hire incompetent Non-Whites as "Desk Plants" just like South Africa. Companies will hire them to do menial, clerical jobs and them register them as fully competent just for the appearances. I remember a TV show about one of those guys. He was the acting CEO of a South-African company, yet he was living in a township. He was nothing more than a rubber-stamp on legal documents saying: "We are respecting AA over here".
This mix of favoritism and under qualification for jobs will not help the social climate of the United-States. In fact, this will breed racism on a large scale. The Ku Klux Klan will have a field day over this.
What is the whole "Content of their characters instead of the color of their skins" spiel that black pastor said once? I don't remember it clearly... [/Sarcasm]
Toubrouk at January 23, 2009 6:41 AM
I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people with incomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level.
Maybe it's just me, but this sounds an awful lot like "all banks must offer loans to people who don't have a credit or job history that warrants confidence that the loan will be repaid" (my paraphrase of the CRA).
And we all know where *that* led:-(.
Jason Bontrager at January 23, 2009 6:42 AM
There are and always will be people (of all races) who will refuse to accept structure of any kind. The African-American poor unfortunately represent a disproportionate share of these, because of the strong anti-achievement ethic in the sub-culture. In many parts thereof, it is "white" to want to achieve in school, get a good job, etc.
The homeless living on the street are an example (of not accepting structure). Every one of them has an opportunity to go to a homeless shelter, get fed, and not live out in the elements. But they refuse because homeless shelters represent structure. They require something of their residents: look for a job, get cleaned up, even participate in prayer groups and such (another discussion).
The point is, many of the homeless (and many of the welfare class) want to live life on their terms only, and wish for us (through taxes or handouts) to support that lifestyle. That's why I don't give to the homeless, and I have gotten my wife, who is a soft touch, to at least give them McDonalds or similar gift cards if she must give, so the money will be used for needs rather than wants.
I hope Mr. Reich gets his 20% minority poor. But I won't be too surprised if he doesn't. People first have to be willing to at least show up for work. If they get their 20%, and many prove to be sub-standard workers, look at it this way: it won't be the only thing we're wasting our money on with all these bailouts and other goodies coming down the line. I just hope I don't ever have to go in any buildings or ride across any bridges they happen to help build.
cpabroker at January 23, 2009 6:50 AM
And we all know where *that* led:-(.
Yup, we know. To validate my feelings on this subject I will quote one of the most eloquent post make here on this situation:
Toubrouk at January 23, 2009 6:51 AM
one thing fo sure, i certainly like to get off my butt and work in any field that i can contribute effectively towards to and work in an environment(that need not be pleasant) that give me a fair deal and that do not insist on or impose or infect their idiotic religous disease onto the work environment. I certainly don't like to work with any harmful or harmless moron.
WLIL at January 23, 2009 6:56 AM
>>Maybe it's just me, but this sounds an awful lot like "all banks must offer loans to people who don't have a credit or job history that warrants confidence that the loan will be repaid" (my paraphrase of the CRA).And we all know where *that* led:-(.
I reserve my indignation for those who pocketed those fabulous short term profits through brokering the loans- whether at the mortgage granting level or repackaging and reselling the bad debts.
Jody Tresidder at January 23, 2009 7:04 AM
The fact is, women as a group don't need those construction jobs. Women as a group are doing fine. As of early December, women's employment was up year-over-year by 12,000 jobs. Granted, that's no significant increase, but it's a hell of a lot better than the 1.1 million jobs lost by men in that same period.
If he's going to restrict eligibility at all, Obama ought to be restricting the eligibility for those jobs to men as a group. There's no sense in paying women extra to take those jobs - something that construction companies do to attract women to jobs that women generally don't take - when men will gladly do the same jobs for less. At a time when the cost of government is becoming a greater and greater burden on the economy, Obama ought to be looking at ways to save money, not waste. Paying women to do something that men do for less is ludicrous.
Another thing that he could do would be to open up the field for competition. He could start demanding that states loosen their licensing regs. When I need my plumbing looked at, I don't hire a union plumber. They simply cost too much. Sure, I'm pretty sure that he'll do a good job, but my Mexican friends can do the same job. They can read books and turn wrenches just as well as those over-paid union plumbers.
What ever he does, creating quotas is simply the wrong answer. The market knows who needs those jobs more. A white man who's willing to take a job for 10-20% less than a woman is ought to get the job. Likewise, a black or Hispanic man who's willing to do the same in lieu of a white man being chosen also ought to get the job. Construction managers know that they have to keep an eye on quality, but they also know that for many jobs, quality work can be done by non-union workers. Unfortunately, Obama just doesn't appear to be open to forcing those unions to compete.
Justin Bowen at January 23, 2009 7:06 AM
Hey, Robert Reich:
For all your training, and for all the people in line to listen to you:
Can you show me a city better off because its leadership is black? How about a school board? Hospital administration?
If you want me to back your idea, show me where it has worked before!
Radwaste at January 23, 2009 7:18 AM
sondrak made note to the same proposals. she has much less to say than mr reich does, but she does include a video of charles rangel talking about it.
http://www.sondrak.com/index.php/weblog/death_of_the_republic/
mlah at January 23, 2009 8:16 AM
Borrowing costs kept waaaaaaay too low by most central banks for almost 15 years coupled with governments' guaranteeing half of their mortgage markets resulting in overspending, shabby lending, and a complete misallocation of resources. What is the Messiah's and most economists prescription for this? More spending! And oh ... he wants to decide who gets to spend too. Think we'll never see 20% interest rates? Think again. We really are fucked.
Charles at January 23, 2009 8:32 AM
Reich needs to actually drive around the DC area. Most of the construction workers here are Hispanics. In fact, white men have a hard time here because the Mexicans will live as single guys in shitty conditions, working for about half the pay that American, mostly white and black, men with families ask for.
Mike T at January 23, 2009 9:16 AM
well has long as specific skills sets should not be considered......someone please tell me where to apply for an executive level position in almost any industry (other than government). I am easy to train on the job and will be happy to start for 50% of the usual exe. salary and even accept a big gob of stock options prices 2x higher than last weeks lowest closing price.
Jim at January 23, 2009 10:27 AM
I think that little man is shredding the constitution a little bit.
paisana at January 23, 2009 1:13 PM
Welcome to the Post Racial Presidency... Um, right.
Black & Gold Brad at January 23, 2009 1:15 PM
Don't hire a skilled professional, hire some guys from the Home Depot parking lot - they want it more and so do their families back home...
DirtCrashr at January 23, 2009 1:21 PM
Can we apply this logic to the government?
I'm black, I want Reich's job.
Gondelo Mack at January 23, 2009 1:21 PM
This idiot has clearly never seen a construction site in Southern California. Not a "white male" to bee seen anywhere. Okay, maybe the manager or foreman, but not the "average worker". They're all hispanic.
Reich is a clueless bumblef@ck.
Erich at January 23, 2009 1:23 PM
Reich is a double racist. Let me explain. To him, the only racial group worthy of help is the black race. If you are Asian, Hispanic, Native American, Indian, Middle-Eastern, etc., all "people of color", they are not considered as high on the minority totem pole as blacks are.
You know liberals would not have signed on as readily to hopenchange from an Asian candidate, when they could really get their guilt freak on with a black candidate.
My question is, now that supposedly we are post-racial, when will black people speak up and say, "We don't need your charity! We don't need special consideration! Why does Robert Reich keep insisting we are stupid by making up quotas for us?" Better yet, why doesn't Obama smack him down for it? I guess Reich figures Obama only made it as President due to AA.
Ferd at January 23, 2009 1:23 PM
Reich will also be yelling loudest for Davis-Bacon to be enforced on all of the "stimulus" projects, which will require that the established construction and trade unions get the contracts. Now who would that be?
Dotar Sojat at January 23, 2009 1:27 PM
"You know liberals would not have signed on as readily to hopenchange from an Asian candidate"
Ahem. According to BO's hand-picked inaugural benedictor, the preferred term for people of Asian descent is "yellow".
Chris L. at January 23, 2009 1:35 PM
Oh crap! This again. Another 8 eight years of "white men are evil."
Loyola at January 23, 2009 1:39 PM
A few things:
1. Reich is unfamiliar with the numbers from the very department he used to head. This recession is mostly a guy thing.
2. Remember Bastiat's broken-window fallacy. Ten or 15 years from now, if all goes according to der Reichsplan, there will be a bunch of buildings falling down or catching fire. This will be used as an excuse for more regulation and more job training programs.
3. Reich is an asshat.
Trouble at January 23, 2009 1:40 PM
Hasn't Raich heard? America has a black President. There is no significant racism left in America. His suggestion is both unnecessary and meaningless.
NEXT
peter at January 23, 2009 1:43 PM
I reserve my indignation for those who pocketed those fabulous short term profits through brokering the loans-...
I agree. So, when will we see Barney Frank, Jamie Gorelick, Franklin Raines, Rahm Emmanual, and the Senators who benefitted the most -- Hilary Clinton, John Kerry and some guy named Obama -- called to account?
Charlie (Colorado) at January 23, 2009 1:43 PM
It is clear that Robert Reich does not see HIMSELF as a white man.
He is 4'10", with a Nebbish voice. He never saw himself as a real man. Only now, from a position of power, does he dare reveal it.
Tood at January 23, 2009 1:47 PM
I hereby grant Robert Reich the nickname of "Third".
i.e. Robert "Third" Reich.
Tood at January 23, 2009 1:54 PM
Why doesn't Reich give up his own job for someone who needs it more? Or is that just the rule for us peasants.
johnc at January 23, 2009 2:10 PM
"Why doesn't Reich give up his own job for someone who needs it more? Or is that just the rule for us peasants."
The same reason Hitler was able to say Blond Hair/Blue eyes was the racial ideal, even though he was not like that, and had some Central Asian features/lineage.
Robert "Third" Reich does not see himself as a white man.
Tood at January 23, 2009 2:27 PM
I think that people like Robert Reich should be required to live by their own advice.
Thus, for the next four years, the only professors who should be teaching are those who most need it.
Tenure, of course, should be abolished. After all, why should some white guy be able to hold onto a job, when there are blacks, women, other minorities, who need it more than he does?
Lurking Observer at January 23, 2009 2:36 PM
So Reich hasn't been to a construction site in the last 20 years has he? When was the last time you saw a white guy doing construction work?
gabriel at January 23, 2009 2:48 PM
There are two groups in America, each is treated differently by the State:
On the one side you have male and female blacks, gays, muslims and women of color. You may not speak ill of them, or else.
On the other side, everyone else.
Les Nessman at January 23, 2009 2:49 PM
This guy was Secretary of Labor when all those "white male construction workers" were mostly replaced by Hispanics, and he doesn't even know it?
mrkwong at January 23, 2009 2:53 PM
"has it ever occur to anyone, that sometimes, a person who needs the job the most may be the best person for the job."
- - - -
Sure. And, sometimes, the person with no job experience or references or education may end up being the best person for the job.
But not very often. And so we tend to develop criteria that produce good choices for us more often than other criteria.
"Need for the job" does figure in at times, certainly. When I'm looking at someone who's overqualified for an opening, but has a house payment coming up and five hungry kids to feed, his heightened need for that job underscores the much higher likelihood that he's outa here as soon as he finds his "real job."
bobby b at January 23, 2009 3:47 PM
"I reserve my indignation for those who pocketed those fabulous short term profits through brokering the loans- whether at the mortgage granting level or repackaging and reselling the bad debts."
- - - -
Why? Through the entire bubble period, government mandated that We The People hand money over, freely and without complaint, mostly to people who were selling homes into the rising prices and thus making killings (which is actually where most of the "missing" money went), but also to the transactional-process staff who did the bookkeeping for those mandates. They were just doing their jobs, which, happily, involved making fees from government-mandated activity.
Reserve every last ounce of your indignation for the philosophy that holds that our government has any place wielding such power.
bobby b at January 23, 2009 3:56 PM
yes, i agree with Tood, Hitler did have a bit of unsavoury asiatic feature.
WLIL at January 23, 2009 4:06 PM
And what good is that training going to do when this CCC rev 2.0 boondoggle finally comes to an end? Construction is a very unforgiving business, and especially for the semiskilled roustabout.
Beyond that, just like in New Orleans, what will happen is we'll be attracting even more illegals over the border to fill this nonwhite setaside, and the minorities that Reich is talking about will be largely bypassed. But then again, maybe that's the idea.
Self-hating Boomer at January 23, 2009 4:11 PM
To prove he actually believes what he says Reich merely needs to spend the remainder of his life unemployed so any job he's qualified for can be held by someone who is racially acceptable. He and his fellow whites should also sit at the back of the bus and stay away from lunch counters meant for the racially superior. Maybe he could also draft a letter to the KKK telling them that in so many ways he agrees with them except for some shifts in emphasis. Lacking all that he should take his racist foolishness and STFU.
snaggletoothie at January 23, 2009 4:13 PM
After thinking about this a little bit, I hope he goes for it. In spades. This will drive a wedge between the rustbelt blue collar whites and the donkey party like nothing ever in history. Sarah Palin will thank Teh One profusely for this gift.
Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer at January 23, 2009 4:20 PM
One important point that I missed, though:
If he would have said "hire the poor and the chronically unemployed", and then shut up, it would have been defensible.
A stimulus is only stimulating if the people receiving the money immediately turn around and spend it on something, preferably on something that is created by workers who will take that money and go out and quickly buy what they need, preferably from some other people who will . . . but you get the picture.
Stimulus money needs to circulate fast - it needs to be spent, and respent, and respent - because that's what happens in a healthy economy. When people get some bucks and then hang on to them because the future seems too dicey to go blow it all on that fur-lined sink or the big-screen toaster they've been wanting, everything slows down, and we get . . . what we have now.
So, paying poor workers has more of a stimulative effect, because they can't usually afford to stash the money away for a rainy day. When you're "chronically unemployed", it's always raining.
bobby b at January 23, 2009 4:25 PM
From each, according to their ability.
To each, according to their need.
sofa at January 23, 2009 4:28 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/01/23/reich_racism.html#comment-1622791">comment from snaggletoothieTo prove he actually believes what he says Reich merely needs to spend the remainder of his life unemployed
Or, at least, in positions no more powerful than fast food service.
Amy Alkon at January 23, 2009 4:36 PM
actually south african apartheid system is not so bad as (compared to) those dehumanising eastern system(that gives too much unneccessary preferential treatment to a group of people of certain religion), which is even a worst system.
WLIL at January 23, 2009 4:52 PM
Just like the slogan of the "Twentieth Century Motor Company" in the book Atlas Shrugged...
I still have the hardest time believing that the United-States's vast infrastructure projects will be carried to fruition by semi and non-skilled labor who have no interest in civil engineering in the first place?
Do Tyrone, a high-school dropout living in Detroit, got any skills relevant in this? He's barely able to pick the trash in front of his house and he should be capable of building a bridge?
This being said, if this politic is implemented, we can be sure that they wil give TONS of work for the White Male... in a decade when the whole mess will be in ruins.
Toubrouk at January 23, 2009 4:52 PM
WLIL,
Please look at this before commenting on the "Evil West's" system. Neither Apartheid or the West generated this. Incompetence and Racially-based preference did.
Toubrouk at January 23, 2009 5:00 PM
If Obama is listening to Robert Riech and I doubt that he is, This Economy will never recover.
This guy is a frequent commentator on CNBC. What a Flake.
btenney at January 23, 2009 5:00 PM
snaggle -- You have got to stop holding your emotion in, it's not healthy.
It's times like these I'm glad I'm self-employed. I can't be required to fire myself on account of I'm the wrong race. My customers won't ditch me to meet some racial quota. And I move so little cash the government barely knows I exist.
brian at January 23, 2009 6:20 PM
indeed, there is too much incompetence and too much inflated ego in the black world. it is time the black world acknowledge their own weaknesses and come to grips as to what is ailing them.
WLIL at January 23, 2009 6:46 PM
Well, it would certainly be interesting to quiz Reich on what he thinks the root causes are for such an imbalance in the construction trades.
I have an idea though: Unions are Democratic. Unions are not scrutinized for EEO compliance. Apprentice programs for trades are not enouraged, however everyone who wants a college education should get one free (fodder for professors)
The Dem party is a coalition of interest groups and nothing more (well, aside from an obsessive need for central planning and control). The results are pretty pathetic.
RK at January 23, 2009 11:09 PM
I thought America's first half white/half black Prez was supposed to be giving you guys a new, post racial dawn.
Lets hope this isnt a sign of the priorities in the new administration.
porky at January 24, 2009 1:16 AM
I thought the era of race and descrimination was over? We give blacks virtually unlimited welfare, we suffer through the high crime rates that they cause without rebellion or lynching, and now we elected a half-black man to prove how non-racist we are.
Do WASP's need to Hari Kari on the streets now? Or just wait until we are pushed into economic oblivion?
smarty at January 24, 2009 6:07 AM
Height was not the only thing this cretin was short-changed in.
MarkD at January 24, 2009 6:08 AM
http://www.hoover.org/publications/ednext/3212736.html
The above will explain in large part why blacks tend to be educational and social failures in the US. And none of it is the white man's fault, unless you call making excuses for poor black performance our fault.
Handing them jobs while pushing whites back does not adress these issues, does not compensate for these issues, and does nto give society a high quality bridge, dam, highway or whatever else they want to create projects for.
smarty at January 24, 2009 6:14 AM
"I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people with incomes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level."
So, 20% of the contract funds will go to job training? Will that 20% get trained in time to actually participate in the contstruction of a bridge? If yes, I had no idea one could learn such skills so quickly, particularly those who have spent a life-time of not learning a marketable skill. If no, then one must assume that our contractors must deliver on their contracts with only an 80% work crew. Can they do that? If so, it would seem that they were over-staffed to begin with. Either that or the real plan is just to lard up the contracts with 120% of the required resources with 20% just along as a political payoff for their color, reparations perhaps.
willis at January 24, 2009 6:18 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/01/23/reich_racism.html#comment-1622887">comment from willisIf yes, I had no idea one could learn such skills so quickly, particularly those who have spent a life-time of not learning a marketable skill.
This reminds me of a response I got to a column I wrote in which I quoted Linda Hirshman to tell women not to succumb to the Frida Kahlo mystique -- getting the kind of job that prepares them to get a low-paying job in a gallery and hoping a rich guy will come rescue them. Women are rather prone to this sort of impracticality. Hilariously, a girl in Claremont studying literature told me off, and told me women could get jobs in museum administration or art therapy. Those jobs get you $46,000 when you're at the top of the game, according to salary figures I looked up. And you'll have $100,000 plus in student loans to pay off, to boot.
My neighbor, who's a woman, is an architect (as is her husband). She told me, if she knew how little architects make, she never would've spent so much on her schooling.
Hirshman's book is: Get to Work: A Manifesto for Women of the World.
Amy Alkon at January 24, 2009 6:30 AM
Architecture is a bitch of an industry. High barriers to entry (a Masters of Architecture from Yale will run you about $150,000 for the three-year program, and that's after having gotten a Bachelors in some other field of engineering, which is not easy or cheap).
Also, very stratified. You've got your grunts who might get up to the low six digits (I'm pulling numbers from a dark moist place here). And you've got your very few exceptional architects who get rich.
brian at January 24, 2009 7:43 AM
If you want to look at an all AA school board and how that has worked,just google School Board,Clayton County,Georgia.Enjoy!
Herman at January 24, 2009 12:06 PM
The problem is, as a white guy, it isn't 'white guys' who need jobs (or 'hispanic guys' or whoever). It's individuals. "White construction workers" don't pay my mortgage - I do. They don't feed my kids- I do. I have never once looked in my mailbox to find a check from Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, or George Soros. They don't pay my bills - I do. There is no such thing as a debtor or creditor race in America. There are only Americans.
Mark at January 24, 2009 12:53 PM
It's hypocrisy, really. When certain groups (e.g., Asians) in this country do better than whites it's proof that they work harder and study harder and have a superior culture. When whites do better than certain other groups it's only proof that whites are privileged and that society is racist.
Mark at January 24, 2009 12:56 PM
Reich wants the stimulus to go mostly to the "chronically unemployed."
But the reason they are "chronically unemployed" is because they are unreliable, uneducated, unskilled, unkempt, irresponsible and have mental and substance abuse problems.
Are these the people you want building bridges?
John D at January 25, 2009 5:35 AM
"chronically unemployed" people who don't demand special rights or manipulate their racial or religious background is not the main problem. the main poblem is those groups who misused their racial and religous background to get jobs that they can't do well. i certainly don't trust religious groups or easily corrupted individuals, who indirectly helped evil islamic groups who have intention to take over the world by evil means to build bridges, let alone take out my garbage.
WLIL at January 25, 2009 7:08 PM
it is the whites that assisted asians to do better. the extremely selfish asians(of various selfish insular religions/culture) on their own would most certainly never amount to much without the generosity of the whites. whites do make mistakes, but it is the whites who gave the best and the most, most of the time. it is time the asians give something of value back.
WLIL at January 25, 2009 7:30 PM
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