The Other Holocaust Against The Jews
It's the Muslim one, the one Jews don't even talk about, and it seems to have started when Mohammed arrived in Medina and announced to all the Jews there that he was the prophet. This didn't go over well with the Jews. Bill Warner lays it out on Islam Watch:
There are two different Korans-an early one written in Mecca and a later one written in Medina. In Mecca, Mohammed claimed to get his Koran from Gabriel, a Jewish angel and portrayed himself in the line of Jewish prophets. Indeed, that was his proof of being a prophet; he was just like the Jews.When Mohammed arrived in Medina, which was half Jewish, the Jews informed him that he was not a prophet of theirs. The Koran changed its attitude, and Jews became the object of hatred. Indeed, as a measurement of that hatred, 10.6% of the Koran written in Medina is about Jew hatred. Using the concept of the German Holocaust as the reference, it should be noted that 6.8% of Mein Kampf is about Jew hatred. Conclusion: the Koran written in Medina is more filled with Jew hatred than Mein Kampf. Here is one of the more egregious verses:
Koran 2:65 We [Allah] said to them [the Jews], "You will be transformed into despised apes." So We used them as a warning to their people and to the following generations, as well as a lesson for the Allah-fearing.But the Koran is only 16% of the sacred texts of Islam. The Sunna of Mohammed is found in the Hadith (his traditions) and the Sira (his biography). In the Sira, 5.3% of the Medinan text relates to the destruction of the Jews-assassinations, executions, rapes, torture and exile. Then there are many other pages that are verbal violence against the Jews. If you add the verbal violence to the physical violence, the Medinan Sira is 8.6% Jew hatred. Mein Kampf is 6.8% Jew hatred. Conclusion: the Sira (Mohammed's biography) contains a greater proportion of Jew hatred than Mein Kampf.
When we come to the Hadith, we do not have such high percentages of text related to Jew hatred; but here are two examples:
Muslim Book 042, Number 7135 Mohammed: "A tribe of Jews disappeared. I do not know what became of them, but I think they mutated and became rats. Have you noticed that a rat won't drink camel's milk, but it will drink goat's milk?"Muslim Book 041, Number 6985: Mohammed: The last hour will not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews. The Muslims would kill them, until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree. The stone or a tree would say: Muslim, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him. The tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
What was the result of all of this hatred? Mohammed killed, enslaved, tortured, exiled, robbed and raped all of the Jews of Medina and then went a hundred miles away and attacked and destroyed the Jews of Khaybar. After he had taken their wealth, tortured the Jewish leader to death, and laid out the jihadic rules of rape for women, he made the Jews of Khaybar a new type of half-human-the dhimmi. The Jews of Khaybar became semi-slaves of Islam. They could keep their Jewish culture in the home and synagogue, but they had to pay a 50% tax and live under Islamic rule without civil rights. Finally, when Mohammed lay on his deathbed, he exiled all Jews and Christians from Arabia. There are Jews still in Germany today, but Arabia is Judenrein and has been for 1400 years.
And what do Jews, Jewish leaders and Jewish organizations say about the Arabian Holocaust? They deny it absolutely and categorically. They even deny that the subject of the Arabian Holocaust even exists.
Examine the case of the survival of Israel. Since so many liberal Jews deny the existence of the Arabian Holocaust and the Islamic Jew doctrine, they are incapable of answering the question: Who is the enemy of Israel? Jews cannot connect the dots from Mumbai to Israel and how Kashmir and Israel are the same struggle.
Mohammed was an evil fucker and sounds like he was probably mentally ill. When people talk about "moderate Muslims," if they aren't speaking out against this stuff, well, they're condoning it.
There is no Arabic Holocaust. Hitler wasn't an evil fucker for writing about hating jews it's for trying to wipe them out, and partially succeeding (mainly for succeeding). The Arabs do not have death camps for Jews (there are certainlt some who would love that though as would the ass clowns in stormfront) and every time Hamas takes shots at Israel the Arabic casualties are always much higher. So not only are the Arabs in a world conspiracy to wipe out Jews but the Jews are now helping them do it by denial? That's not crazy why?
You oppose hate crime and hate speech statutes but only for non-muslims. When they do it it is a completely different story right. As far as mentally ill, every religion has scores of them.
vlad at May 12, 2009 5:43 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/05/12/the_other_holoc.html#comment-1647969">comment from vladAs far as mentally ill, every religion has scores of them.
Yeah, but only Muslims have as their prophet an evil pedophile. Jesus was all "turn the other cheek." Vive la difference.
Muslims don't have death camps for Jews because they aren't that organized, number one, and they generally just try to blow them up in restaurants in Tel Aviv or murder them in other Arab countries. While there are plenty of Arabs in Israel with Israeli citizenship, there are almost no Jews left in Arab countries, and those there are under constant threat of death. They also have to pay a tax for being non-Muslim.
There is a world conspiracy to wipe out Jews -- it's in the Quran. And to convert or kill the rest of us. Not all Muslims participate, but those who are silent in the face of others' barbarism as directed by the Quran are complicit.
Muslims also allow the killing of their own -- and never protest it, like in Darfur. Israel took in a bunch of the Muslim refugees from there. Egyptian soldiers murdered those trying to cross into Israel. It's a prejudice against blacks thing.
Regarding this: "You oppose hate crime and hate speech statutes but only for non-muslims."
Where do you get that? We have laws against inciting murder. You can call somebody an asshole but you can't call other people to murder them. That's precisely what the Quran does, and it's taken seriously by far too many Muslims. Did you not hear about 9/11?
Amy Alkon
at May 12, 2009 5:55 AM
vlad at May 12, 2009 6:07 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/05/12/the_other_holoc.html#comment-1647980">comment from vladJesus was all "turn the other cheek." Vive la difference. Abraham sure as shit wasn't.
I'm no fan of any religion, but do you notice Jews running around using the bible to say people should be dead who don't believe in their god? Do you notice Jews blowing up German restaurants (Wafa Sultan pointed that out -- a lady whose life is always in danger because she's an apostate, and Islam commands Muslims to murder apostates). Islam is barbarism, and other religions, while silly in their evidence-free belief in god, and annoying, in the case of Christianity and their attempts to make laws conform to their religion, are not dangerous like Islam.
"No they don't, they pull the same trick you do with moderates. They just claim whom ever they want to kill are not real Muslims."
Um, I don't even believe in hitting people, let alone calling for their death or killing anyone. I don't even believe in capital punishment. I don't know what you're talking about here, and frankly, neither do you.
Islam is deadly dangerous and we prosecute people in this country for inciting murder - except if they're Muslim.
Islam will be the death of all of us (or at least the forced conversion) if the Muslim population in this country grows to the degree it has in Europe, proportionally.
Amy Alkon
at May 12, 2009 6:15 AM
I still think the idea that all Muslims are out to get us is complete horse shit.
I never said "all." That would be irrational and, frankly, incorrect. Many Muslims don't read the Quran (reportedly 80 percent of Muslims are illiterate) and some don't practice all the religion calls for, but far, far too many do.
A close friend's husband would've died on 9/11 but for a meeting she had. He had to take their children to school, which made him just late enough to avoid being murdered so a bunch of gullible primitives could go get the 72 virgins they were promised.
Amy Alkon at May 12, 2009 6:41 AM
vlad at May 12, 2009 6:53 AM
Here's a fun piece.
Crid [cridcridatgmail] at May 12, 2009 7:38 AM
Vlad the point is the leaders of jewish and christian religious sexts dont call for the muder of apostate and cartoonists
The leaders of islam do.
When the followers of christianist and jeudaism commit atrocites a small minority celebrate and the vast majority condem
When followers of islam commit atrocites a large maority celebrate, a large minority silently endorse the acts(otherwise they would speak out) and a small minority speak out and some of them get killed for disagreeing with the leaders.
do you see the difference?
lujlp at May 12, 2009 8:34 AM
You don't need death camps for Jews (or any non-Muslims) when you have dhimmitude.
liz at May 12, 2009 11:58 AM
I think vlad issed the time reference as well
lujlp at May 12, 2009 6:40 PM
Which time reference did I issed?
vlad at May 13, 2009 5:35 AM
vlad, you said 'there is no arabic holocaust'
Not there "WAS", Amy was refering to something that happened after the jew told Mohomed(may he tounge the asshole of dogs forever) to fuck off over 1000 yrs ago.
That was the time refrence you misssed
lujlp at May 13, 2009 5:52 AM
vlad at May 13, 2009 7:06 AM
The thing is as religion spreads it becomes more defuse and more moderate groups emerge. Moderates and fundies clash and the religion evolves.
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=12413
The idea that Islam as a whole is evil is both wrong and counter productive. As you point out 80% of those people are illiterate (odd how this was once true for Christians) so they do not know their religion and thus must work off the interpretations of the literate. Christians and Jews have parts of their religion we simply ignore as parables which would have previously been inquisition worthy heretical behavior. I for one support watching them and helping those that speak out against the violence as Muslims not branding them as inherently evil. First as I see it as unethical, second because trying to crush religion is the best way to propagate it.
vlad at May 13, 2009 7:25 AM
Steinem was an evil fucker and sounds like she was probably mentally ill. When people talk about "moderate Feminists," if they aren't speaking out against this stuff, well, they're condoning it.
sorry, couldn't resist...
my father-in-law was a latvian jew who escaped on the last train out during WWII and ended up in rhodesia in a german mining camp as an engineer (i still haven't figured out how he survived but anyway). to this day he maintains that "all" germans, even newborns, are inherently evil
to me that's just completely screwed up
theOtherJim at May 13, 2009 10:12 AM
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