I really don't understand the female need to improve themselves with plastic surgery.

The guys I hang with don't like breast implants etc... We like the real deal.

I slept with a girl once that was the proverbial -flat as a board- didn't make a shits bit of difference to me.

I do get tired of females saying I did it for a guy. At least admit you do it for yourselves.

The "female" need to have plastic surgery comes from the "male" sexuality based on the visuals.

And the fact that you "slept with a girl once" who was flat as a board, probably didn't do much for her sense of desirability.

I was just recalling that complications through cosmetic surgery is what killed Kanye West's mother. I give Kanye West props for personal recognition. Prior to him stealing Taylor Swift's thunder, I'd never even heard of the guy.

I think when we say we do it for guys, we mean we do it so that guys we don't know stare at us. I don't think being flat affects your dating or sex life (other than weeding out the boob-obsessed immediately) but it does lessen the amount of attention you get otherwise. Whether that's attention to strive for, I don't know.

And, as Amy points out, men are wired to prefer young-which is full firm boobs and butts. A woman looking to keep her 2-decades long marriage hot might rightly think getting a little boost could help her husband's visually-driven attraction.

I'll be getting my eyes done as I age, probably not a full-on face lift though. I am aiming for a tummy tuck next year-while I've lost the weight, 4 kids does a number to the skin on your tummy. Refilling the boobs that became empty sacks from BFing would be nice too.

I like my butt. No need for work there :)

Olivia Goldsmith, author of First Wives' Club (and many others) also went this route. Ironic.

I could understand rebuilding your boobs after, say, a mastectomy. But rebuilding your butt?? Nah.

This is kind of off-topic, but pretty funny:

The doctor, after an examination, sighed and said, 'I've got some bad news. You have cancer, and you'd best put your affairs in order.'

The woman was shocked, but managed to compose herself and walked into the waiting room where her daughter had been waiting.

'Well, daughter, we women celebrate when things are good, and we celebrate when things don't go so well. In this case, things aren't well. I have cancer. So, let's head to the club and have a martini.'

After 3 or 4 martinis, the two were feeling a little less somber. There were some laughs and more martinis. They were eventually approached by some of the woman's old friends, who were curious as to what the two were celebrating.

The woman told her friends they were drinking to her impending end, 'I've been diagnosed with AIDS.'

The friends were aghast, gave the woman their condolences and beat a hasty retreat.

After the friends left, the woman's daughter leaned over and whispered, 'Mom, I thought you said you were dying of cancer, and you just told your friends you were dying of AIDS! Why did you do that??'

'Because I don't want any of those bitches sleeping with your father after I'm gone.'

And THAT, my friends, is what is called, 'Putting Your Affairs In Order'

Marissa Tomei has, in my humble opinion, the best butt in Hollywood, and she's 45! Tragedy about this woman though.

The only tragedy here is she had kids before she died

The "female" need to have plastic surgery comes from the "male" sexuality based on the visuals.
And the fact that you "slept with a girl once" who was flat as a board, probably didn't do much for her sense of desirability.
Posted by: Patrick at December 1, 2009 6:55 AM
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Patrick have a cup of coffee before you comment next time. Your compass was really off here.

My point is women don't "need" plastic surgery.It's a silly choice too many make.

And I wanted to keep seeing the flat as a board girl but she lived in another town, and she was recently divorced and wanted to date other people.

> At least admit you do it for yourselves.

I'd agree that it's abject narcissism

> The "female" need to have plastic surgery
> comes from the "male" sexuality based
> on the visuals.

Quotations marks signifying?

> that you "slept with a girl once"

Are we supposed to fuck women no less than fifty times? Now, are you certain you understand the protocols here?

> we mean we do it so that guys we
> don't know stare at us.

Like I said, narcissism.

> Tomei has, in my humble opinion,
> the best butt

Gonna need an evidentiary link for that, Big Guy.... Competition here is fierce.

> The only tragedy here is she
> had kids before she died

What the fuck? Why so cynical? The tradgedies are (1.) she was narcissistic, (2.) she encouraged an industry of risky pseudo-healers to respond to that narcissism, (3.) she actually took the risk, (4.) it didn't work, (5.) kids are parentless. So why do you hate her so much?

Also, why no punctuation?

In most circumstances, I see the cause of plastic surgery to be a perception of pressure problem. I have a family member that recently had a full face lift complete with lip implants and had the skin on her neck tightened. She is pushing 60 and didn't feel good about her appearance anymore. The spouse of this women couldn't have cared less, and told her so. From his perspective, she was still beautiful. She insisted on the surgery, and had complications and has been in bed for weeks trying to recover. We all sat around Thanksgiving dinner shrugging our shoulders and rolling our eyes about how silly it was to go through all that to look like a tighter 60 year old.

My relative felt pressure, but it was in her head. Her husband still genuinely sees her as beautiful. She is the one who wanted to look younger, but it is convenient to blame it on 'society' or 'the men'.

-Julie

Here you go Crid- (nsfw)

The middle scene from Before The Devil Knows You're Dead is my particular favorite. Hubba hubba yowza.

http://www.actressscene.com/search/label/Marisa%20Tomei

Portenos are crazy for plastic surgery, which makes sense, because they're pretty convinced that looking good is about the most important thing in the world.

Somehow, in the midst of all the crumbling old world architecture (and matching economy), they find a way to pay for it. I say let them have their fun.

My brother had a former co-worker who was very vain about his body. This co-worker worked out everyday and had a nice and muscular body. The only place he could not develop muscles were in his calves. He ended up deciding to get calf implants to "balance out his physique," as he put it.

The co-worker's operation was relatively straightforward and free of complications. It was the healing time that took almost 3 weeks. My brother says that after his co-worker came back, the rest of the guys in the office would laugh that this guy paid to "get tits put in his calves."

I always laugh at the visual of a tit in a man's calf.

So David M anything not needed should not be done.

Why is it that some men will train and eat copious amounts of protein to bulk up, some even play around with hormones like steroids. Why do those silly men do that I mean they do not NEED that muscle. OK some do it for to win awards but those silly awards are not needed. Please Americans and Chinese, the next Olympics in Vancouver is just silly event, please stay home if not please save your athletes bodies tell them to train less.

Lets take another body modification that can kill - Tattoos. OK true not many people die but it does also come with health risks and status/socials risks too. Why do people do such a silly thing of putting a picture or design on their body. Me that one has my eyes rolling.

Then lets talk about what many MEN in middle age do to modify their image. Lets take one that has taken two people I know and cared for dearly. This image inducer makes men feel savage and strong. Gives that certain air of rebelliousness and youthful freedom. Yet these men do not need it. Their wives feel that it is a waste of money. One wife thru felt it added a little spice to their marriage. What is this thing I talk of... the motorcycle. These men could have done better with a SUV or nice little town car.

Two things in life to remember... anything you do in life is going to have risks. Two, those silly unneeded things are what makes life so bloody fun.

Jen-

In college I developed a nickname with my girlfriends family- "Super-Ankles". I'm a normal size guy, but my wrists and ankles are skinny as hell. It's funny now, but it wasn't funny (to me) when I first heard about it.

Gosh, I don't know what to say. I am thinking about getting plastic surgery - for myself. My husband has no complaints about the way I look, but I think that I look tired and middle-aged. He has even threatened to divorce me if I do anything to my face.

On the other hand, I have gotten plastic surgery for my husband. After our first child was born, my husband drove me down to the plastic surgeon. I was against the surgery and the doctor told my husband that he did not recommend it for me. After our second son was born, my husband made disparaging remarks about my breasts virtually every day for a year.

Once again, he brought me to the plastic surgeon. I didn't know what to say. I really did want an augmentation, but I was feeling nostalgic for my old breasts. I loved them! I had recently quit nursing and was still leaking milk. I am not even sure what my bra size was before the surgery. This time the doctor suggested augmentation.

I asked for the smallest size made. The doctor said that he could not do that - my chest would look like a sock with a rock. I told him it was okay, that I would just roll them up and put them in my bra. Feeling torn, we agreed to go up a bit.

Unfortunately during surgery, my doctor decided that he needed to go even bigger. I was shocked and upset. I would have never agreed to this size. I gained 17 lbs. in the 5 days post-op. For a while, I had trouble leaving the house. I was so embarrassed. Finally, ashamed of myself for my vain attitude, I went on with life. After all, some people are born with this kind of defect. Some people have amputations. Who was I to have THIS keep me from living?

12 years later, my breasts seem more like part of my body. I'm probably a wuss for getting it done in the first place, but I must admit that every once in a while, I don't think I look too bad.

Back to the writers remark - I did get these for my husband. He says that it is the best thing I have ever done. He thought of my "old breasts" as nursing breasts that belonged to my sons. Now when he sees me, he does not think nursemaid, but sexy momma.

Jen, your story is horrifying, I am so sorry

So lets all recap Jens story

She has a husband who will leve her is she does something he doesnt like - while at the same time 'forcing' her to do something she doesnt like

And the one time they both agreed to it "somehow" her doctor got it in his head to got a few sizes larger in tits then she was comfortable with

$20 says it was your husband who came up with that idea.

Its great by the way tht youve had kids with such a freaky control freak