an outcome they could have seen coming if they had bothered to think on it...

earth to Barry... you should be glad cows can't fly. you don't seem to be able to avoid steppin in stuff, be glad it isn't falling from the sky...

While Obama has favored trying some terrorism suspects in civilian courts as a symbol of U.S. commitment to the rule of law, critics have said military tribunals are the appropriate venue for those accused of attacking the United States.

This is the lie we all saw through. Trying KSM in civilian court was Obama's way of trying the Bush administration and giving the hard left its show trial.

Watch out for a deal involving closing Gitmo.

Obama caves on civillian trials and the GOP caves on moving Gitmo murderers to US soil.

I like how the writer slipped in they think military courts do not follow any Rule of Law. Apparently they think military courts are just lawless free for alls run by prejudice rather than law.

Brian, Bush and Cheney tried most of their terror suspects in civilian courts, and were fairly successful at convicting people in that venue. This is from a really interesting article about Eric Holder and the KSM trial. (Which I know you'll dismiss because only softy-liberals read the New Yorker!

"For all the tough rhetoric of the Bush Administration, it prosecuted many more terror suspects as criminals than as enemy combatants. According to statistics compiled by New York University’s Center on Law and Security, since 2001 the criminal courts have convicted some hundred and fifty suspects on terrorism charges. Only three detainees—all of whom were apprehended abroad—were convicted in military commissions at Guantánamo. The makeshift military-commission system set up by Bush to handle terrorism cases has never tried a murder case, let alone one as complex, or notorious, as that of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who will face the death penalty for the murder of nearly three thousand people."

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/02/15/100215fa_fact_mayer#ixzz0hJtbfYeK

Well, if you have time, read that article because it was enlightening.

I dont think they should be tried at all. They should be tortured until they give up all of their info. If they know nothing they can stay in gitmo until they die. If they give up good dirt then they are obviously guilty and should be shot at that time. WTF is all the fuss about, it is called war.

I for one want to see terrorists actually punished; that's why I favour the criminal courts. Military tribunals have a nasty habit of letting them off far too easy. Two out of three Gitmo prisoners sent into the tribunal system are basically already free, agitating against the US. Whereas other terrorists (the american taliban, the first WTC bombers...) rot in jail in Colorado.

By military courts Amy, I presume you mean the Gitmo Detainee tribunals that the government has suggested; military courts at first reading seems to suggest the court martial system, which of course is completely separate from the tribunals (courts martial have evidence rules, procedures etc... that if anything are more defendant friendly than our civillian criminal courts).

How is this even a problem?

KSM has admitted on multipule occasions his guilt. He confessed gleefully.

Heres how I see the prosecutions case going. A reading of the charges, an opening statement, reading KSM confession into the record, resting his case.

How fucking long could that possibly take? 20 minutes at most?

Luj,

KSM wasn't read his Miranda rights.

Confession disallowed.

He is not a US citizen nor within the borders of US jurisdiction nor illegally removed from within the borders of US jurisdiction at the time of his capture or confession.

Is there any doubt as to KSM's guilt? No?

Then just shoot the motherfucker and be done with it.