What They Don't Want To Believe
From the how men are/how women are files, a tweet by @alaindebotton:
Gender differences: yet to be born: the man who slept with a woman principally because she had written a book he liked.
De Botton is the author of a book I liked a lot, The Consolations of Philosophy.







Silly me, I always thought the Consolation of Philosophy was written by Boetius.
Tobias Torrente at March 29, 2010 5:13 AM
What's with the name-change, um, "Tobias"? This too hot a topic for you?
Here's a bit from Shelfari:
http://www.shelfari.com/authors/a9123/Alain-De-Botton/summary
Amy Alkon at March 29, 2010 5:45 AM
>>Gender differences: yet to be born: the man who slept with a woman principally because she had written a book he liked.
That's probably true, Amy!
Unless agreeing to a sexual favor for a "reptilian old publisher" counts?
Quote from an article reviewing a later memoir by "Fear of Flying" author Erica Jong
Chapter 1 finds the young author at a leisurely lunch at the Algonquin being propositioned by a reptilian old publisher who has promised her half a million dollars for "Fear of Flying." She ends up performing a dubious sexual favor for him. It's that Isadora Wing voice again -- rowdy, self-deprecating and endearing: How could she have been so gullible and naive? Yet she was the one who sold the book (to someone else) and made a bundle, and now gets to make fun of him in print. She makes even meaner fun of poor old Martha Stewart, whose husband she once seduced at the Frankfurt Book Fair: "I have no idea whether she still goes around telling everyone I ruined her marriage, but I do wish I had the sexual power she attributes to me," Jong remarks, a little disingenuously.
Jody Tresidder at March 29, 2010 6:48 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/03/29/what_they_dont.html#comment-1705130">comment from Jody TresidderDo you think he wanted to fuck her because she was a writer or because he found her fuckable? I'm guessing the same publisher wasn't exactly hot for Betty Friedan.
Here's a young Erica Jong:
http://mondoglobo.net/images/erica-jong.jpg
Amy Alkon
at March 29, 2010 6:51 AM
Aw, c'mon! This kinda already happened in the movie Something's Gotta Give: The subplot has the handsome young doctor (played by Keanu Reeves) falling for the older woman playwright (played by Diane Keaton).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337741/plotsummary
I thought it was kinda cute! And wouldn't mind at all if it ever happened to me.
Flynne at March 29, 2010 7:32 AM
>>Do you think he wanted to fuck her because she was a writer or because he found her fuckable?
It was probably a 3 way collision of motivation, means & opportunity!
(Hand on heart, I've found some authors alluring - but never a publisher!)
Jody Tresidder at March 29, 2010 7:34 AM
How many rich, powerful men date and marry waitresses? How many rich, powerful women date and marry waiters?
Amy Alkon at March 29, 2010 7:39 AM
Amy has written a book that I like...
Cousin Dave at March 29, 2010 7:40 AM
"The subplot has the handsome young doctor (played by Keanu Reeves) falling for the older woman playwright (played by Diane Keaton)."
Old woman's porn.
Spartee at March 29, 2010 8:48 AM
Were there horses in that movie?
lujlp at March 29, 2010 8:55 AM
No, lujy, no horses. Horses' asses aplenty, though! Ol' Jackie-boy was a hoot, I tell ya!
o.O
Flynne at March 29, 2010 9:14 AM
>>Amy has written a book that I like...
Hee, hee!
irlandes at March 29, 2010 10:11 AM
Comment on Betty Friedan. In the 80's, I think it was, author of MANHOOD REDUX had a one page humorous article. He said when he had strong sexual desires, he did not take a cold shower as often prescribed, because the shock of the cold water is bad on the system.
He said, instead he contemplates Gloria Steinem. He said in seconds all his sexual urges are gone.
He said he does not contemplate Betty Friedan, because he does not wish to do permanent damage.
irlandes at March 29, 2010 10:19 AM
> Do you think he wanted to fuck her
> because she was a writer or because
> he found her fuckable?
Amy gets this.
> "The subplot has the handsome young
> doctor (played by Keanu Reeves) falling for
> the older woman playwright
I saw part of that movie once. It was a restaurant scene. Everyone was talking about their feelings.
It didn't seem very real. Also, Keanu Reeves was supposed to be a doctor.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 29, 2010 11:59 AM
Also, Keanu Reeves was supposed to be a doctor.
More or less plausible than him being Techie Jesus?
MonicaP at March 29, 2010 12:15 PM
I liked that movie, but I wish it had ended right after the restaurant scene, before Diane Keaton runs after Jack. I think they should have had a The Way We Were moment and gone back to their lives (and she should have gone back to the cute doctor). One of the few post-Bill & Ted movies I liked Keanu Reeves in (A Scanner Darkly and The Gift being probably the only others..and he was decent in Much Ado About Nothing).
Amy, I have to ask: who is Tobias? Other than a smug jackass, of course.
NumberSix at March 29, 2010 10:15 PM
Tobias is some guy who's posted here before under another name.
Amy Alkon at March 29, 2010 10:49 PM
Ah. So I'll ad coward to my above description.
NumberSix at March 29, 2010 11:43 PM
Counterexample: the guys who slept with Ayn Rand.
johnshade at March 30, 2010 7:33 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/03/29/what_they_dont.html#comment-1705405">comment from johnshadeAyn Rand was pretty much a cult leader, not the same thing.
Amy Alkon
at March 30, 2010 7:53 AM
Well, the "cult" was based on her ideas -- expressed in her books -- so I disagree with your distinction.
Second counterexample: Dashiell Hammett and Lillian Hellman.
johnshade at March 30, 2010 2:04 PM
How many women get into the authoring business for the tail?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 30, 2010 2:10 PM
Also, props to Amy for taking the time to find that shot of a young, sex-able Jong. Even if you think her books are tripe, in the early 70's she was part (or an indicator) of meaningful changes in popular thinking about sex. Even if you thought she was silly in those days, "silly" was an improvement over the appraisal that would have been made of someone who said those things just a few years earlier.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 30, 2010 2:17 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/03/29/what_they_dont.html#comment-1705507">comment from johnshadeRe: Ayn Rand and your comment, "Well, the "cult" was based on her ideas -- expressed in her books -- so I disagree with your distinction"
I know Nathaniel Branden, and I've talked to him about this, and read his book and his ex-wife's, so I disagree with your distinction.
Check out his name. It used to be Nathaniel Blumenthal. In Hebrew, Ben is "son of." Get it: "Son of Rand"?
Kinda fucked up.
Luckily, he came to his senses and became the person I think is the best authority on self-esteem. Unfortunately, he's tarred by his affair with Rand.
Oh, and starting around age 11, I read her -- and not just her novels. I own "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology," and all the rest. (I was a real laugh riot to be around as a teen.)
Amy Alkon
at March 30, 2010 2:48 PM
"the best authority on self-esteem"? How much does one need to know?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 30, 2010 7:40 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with the cult characterization (shouldn't've put it in quotes). But are you saying that Branden (and others of her acolytes) were just attracted to her by her weird personal magnetism (or her fabulous physical beauty) and not her ideas?
Also, Lillian Hellman has been accused of many things, but being a knockout looker has never been one of them.
johnshade at March 31, 2010 7:22 AM
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