It won't be long before speaking out against Sharia will meet the same kind of treatment that Juan Williams got from NPR.

No, Tony. Just a fatwa.

From the Goddess's article: However, in Egypt gays have been the victims of laws against "morality".

Just like the Unites States.

Sigh...is it time to discuss homosexuality again? Happy, happy, joy, joy...we get to suffer through Ben David's self-righteous and lengthy tirades again, demonizing gays as dysfunctional and mentally ill and told ad nauseum that "there is no evidence that gays are born that way." We can also look forward to Crid's authoritarian demands that gay supporters must state their positions in the terminology he dictates. Or is that only for gay parenting?

I wouldn't complain if the blog entries took a lengthy hiatus from gay-themed discussions.

Now, about those homosexuals shown in the video.

Elton John (not a citizen, so sharia law in the U.S. should be immaterial to him provided he stays out of the country)
Ellen DeGeneres
Greg Louganis
David Hyde Pierce
Barney Frank
Lily Tomlin
Suze Orman
Johnny Mathis
John Ameachi
David Geffen
Rosie O'Donnell
Adam Lambert

I could have done without the mention of Barney Frank, the sleaze. Ditto Rosie O'Donnell.

> we get to suffer through Ben David's
> self-righteous and lengthy tirades again

Say what you will, his narcissism is under control. He doesn't think people who disagree with him are secretly Jewish.

If you don't know what "narcissism" means, don't use the word. Reminds me of yesterday when you called a perfectly punctuated, spelled and grammatically correct sentence "illiterate."

Uh, duh.

As Rush Limbaugh likes to say, "Words mean things." You can't just throw out any old word that you think sounds good. You have to use words that make some kind of sense. Otherwise you look stupid...maybe even "illiterate."

And yet, the liberals welcome islam with open arms. I think people are going to be very surprised about how the "gay vote" starts going. I don't think gays are suicidal enough to keep voting dem as a block.

> As Rush Limbaugh likes to say, "Words
> mean things."

Yeah, over the weekend I saw a book about that at our local Federal Public Library.

It's part of our nation's Federal Public Library System, or FPLS.

re: Elton John

Trust me, if the US succumbs to sharia law, we're all f*cked, meaning the whole world. EJ won't have anywhere TO go...

Given how Muslim "justice" is administered around here - with people settling family scores by claiming their neighbors are "collaborating with the Zionist entity" followed by summary execution - I can just imagine how laws like this are abused by tribal "leaders".

We also know that the Hamas "leadership" rapes young women, then convinces them that the only way to save the family's "honor" is by strapping on a bomb-belt. I'm sure there's a "brokeback" version of that scenario...

... and that video? Big deal.

Gays are 2 percent of the population.
Jews are one HALF of one percent of the population.

And OUR video of accomplished members-of-the-tribe would go on much longer....

It's not gay, it's just practicing

http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/10/25/think_of_your_g.html#comments

It's not only religious authorities who describe homosexual sex as common among the Pashtuns. Dr. Mohammed Nasem Zafar, a professor at Kandahar Medical College, estimates that about 50% of the city's male residents have sex with men or boys at some point in their lives. He says the prime age at which boys are attractive to men is from 12 to 16--before their beards grow in.

Richardson, the psychiatry professor, says it would be wrong to call Afghan men homosexual, since their decision to have sex with men is not a reflection of what Westerners call gender identity. Instead, he compares them to prison inmates: They have sex with men primarily because they find themselves in a situation where men are more available as sex partners than are women. "It is something they do," he notes, "not something they are."

(4) The key distinction is not hetero vs. homosexual but active vs. passive; men are expected to seek penetration (with wives, prostitutes, other males, animals); the only real shame is attached to serving in the female role. (5) Youths usually serve in the female role and can leave behind this shame by graduating to the male role.

"He says the prime age at which boys are attractive to men is from 12 to 16--before their beards grow in."

In other words, before they begin to look like men. Not really very homosexual.

Troops in Afghanistan report all kinds of irritation at seeing Afghan men walking around hand in hand, which may or not be sexual. Anyway, it's common enough to be a real irritant.

"Richardson, the psychiatry professor, says it would be wrong to call Afghan men homosexual, since their decision to have sex with men is not a reflection of what Westerners call gender identity. Instead, he compares them to prison inmates: They have sex with men primarily because they find themselves in a situation where men are more available as sex partners than are women. "It is something they do," he notes, "not something they are." "

I'd buy that. It's not something in the water, that's for sure...whenever the discussion came up between the local nationals and coalition, which it did on occasion, they (the Afghans) were always quick to point out the distinction between "homosexuality", i.e. men truly lusting after other men, and simply "release." But the bottom line is, you've got a large percentage of the male population having sex with each other and that is, at least in part, the definition of homosexuality. It strikes me as odd that a religion that condemns it so vehemently to the point of death also offers widespread, tacit approval of the acts.

A friend of mine was once asked if he was a practicing gay. He said he didn't need to practice; he's pretty much got it down.

other Beth: you think gay men have "gender identity" issues? I don't understand what you're saying. If you could please elaborate.

Momof4: Just people welcome Muslims to the country, like everyone else, doesn't mean we're going to allow them to impose their rules. We didn't allow Mormons polygamy, either. The U.S. will not be ruled sharia law. They might consider it sharia to have up to four wives (although the hypocritical Muhammed allowed himself seven), but they only get one here.

I don't see the point in torturing someone to death. I mean if you have a criminal that should be executed according to the laws of whatever 7th century land you live in, what's the point in torturing them to execute them? Why not just execute them expeditiously?

The pedophilia/ephebophilia that these barbarians unapologetically practice is a riot. Where the hell is Jeff Foxworthy when I need him? "If you publicly stone adulterers and homosexuals, but enjoy sex with little boys...you might be a Taliban!"

It strikes me as odd that a religion that condemns it so vehemently to the point of death also offers widespread, tacit approval of the acts.

That doesn't strike me as odd about religion at all.

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If your new goat is older than your first wife, you might be a Taliban

>>And OUR video of accomplished members-of-the-tribe would go on much longer....

Which side gets to claim accomplished Jewish gay people, Ben David?

Richardson, the psychiatry professor, says it would be wrong to call Afghan men homosexual, since their decision to have sex with men is not a reflection of what Westerners call gender identity.

With fundamentalist Christians, it's just the opposite. I'm speaking from experience, here. The school of thought was that if you are gay and never tell anyone, and never have sex with anyone, you haven't actually done anything wrong because it's actions that count. If you have "immoral" urges, then you should pray about them, but not act upon them.

Funny that this other view is exactly the opposite.

I just wish everyone would catch up to where Christopher Hitchens was two decades ago.

Ben David: And OUR video of accomplished members-of-the-tribe would go on much longer....

I doubt it. Have you ever heard of a closet Jew?

But this remark is extremely telling. You seem to think that gays are in competition with Jews.

Could this be why you're so anti-homosexual? Because you resent the attention given to homosexuals as a persecuted minority which you think should be reserved for Jews?

Lily Tomlin is/was a homosexual? I learn something new every day around here. I guess all those ringy-dingies were meant for the girls.

More seriously, why go after murderers, thieves, rapists, and child molesters when we can barge into the bedrooms of men whose only crime is the misfortune of being attracted to other men? As long as they pay the medical bills for the unfortunately high STD transmission rate among them, just as I wouldn't expect them to pay for conditions arising from my being overweight, I couldn't care less about what they do in their bedrooms.

God help us if the muslims come here in sufficient numbers to establish Sharia law nationwide.

mpetrie: Lily Tomlin is/was a homosexual? I learn something new every day around here. I guess all those ringy-dingies were meant for the girls.

Johnny Mathis was the one that surprised me.

Some Jews do closet themselves, in a manner of speaking, by changing their surnames.

For example, Jon Stewart (the daily show) has a given name of Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz.

Although Stewart certainly could not be said to be hiding his heritage; he makes frequent references to being Jewish.

@Patrick:

I was merely agreeing with the poster above who quoted the psych professor, in that the widespread homosexuality that is practiced in Afghanistan and other Muslim cultures is not the homosexuality that the Western world knows. If the genders were not so strictly segregated at all times, the hanky-panky going on would be boy on girl rather than boy on boy.

I was just commenting on the irony of the religion that abhors homosexuality, condemns it and even executes because of it--is so deeply intertwined into a culture that practices it so widely and frequently.

I just don't buy it. This is a culture of such relative lawlessness that abject rape of women would be a more readily accessible sexual outlet were one needed. (And I suspect that's how it goes there.)

Afghanistan is a human realm bounded by human norms, not prison walls. I'd bet the homosexuality there is like in most other places— When boys kiss, it's because they want to.

With fundamentalist Christians, it's just the opposite. I'm speaking from experience, here. The school of thought was that if you are gay and never tell anyone, and never have sex with anyone, you haven't actually done anything wrong because it's actions that count. If you have "immoral" urges, then you should pray about them, but not act upon them.

Funny that this other view is exactly the opposite.

I just wish everyone would catch up to where Christopher Hitchens was two decades ago.

Posted by: Pirate Jo

Mathew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Therefore a gay guy think about sex with another man is still uilt of the sin of homosexuality.

Doesnt religion suck? Even if you do nothing worng your still guilty and going to hell

Just to provide an opposing view for balance:

Think of your gay friends who would be alive, rather than dead from AIDS, if they were under Sharia law and there were no gay night clubs and bath houses.

50% of HIV transmissions are through male homosexual contact.

The 'sexual revolution' of the 1970s and the increase in homosexual promiscuity created the setting that allowed HIV to spread as rapidly as it did.

Now I'm not endorsing capital punishment or any punishment for that matter for homosexuality, but conservative cultures that shun homosexuality are not necessarily for society.

Here's balance for you: Think of all the Taliban ass-raping little boys.

That seems to be an Afghan cultural idiosyncrasy, rather than something that is part of Sharia.

Pederasty has had a long history and been common among a diverse set of cultures. I wouldn't be surprised if it's still common in many undeveloped nations.

If my gay friends were living under Sharia law they'd be dead because they'd be thrown off tall buildings, and if they lived, stoned to death. Lovely."

I understand your disgust at the treatment of homosexuals in these countries. It's truly terrifying to imagine people being so ruthlessly persecuted. A culture that accepts this kind of intolerance prevents reason and a civil society from flourishing.

I have no objection to your emotional reaction to this. What I'm suggesting is that one still needs to keep things in perspective even if the subject is something as disgusting as this.

The countries where these practices are common are quite poor in terms of per capita income. The level of ignorance and lack of basic material goods in many of these places is truly shocking for someone who has lived in the West.

These kinds of primitive cultural traits generally disappear as nations become more economically developed.

Also, your friends most likely wouldn't identify as gay, let alone openly behave gay, if they lived in such a society, so they wouldn't be thrown off tall buildings. I again stress that it doesn't mean that dealing with homosexuality the way these cultures do is OK. It indeed is not. I am appealing to the importance of being accurate, even when portraying a cultural practice that you view as threatening.

To keep things in perspective, one needs to look at the trade-off between tolerance of alternate lifestyles on the one hand, and the problems that sexual permissiveness creates on the other.

HIV has had a devastating toll on gay men for the past 30 years. Hundreds of thousands have died young due to the violence, and these deaths can be traced directly to the sexual revolution and mass acceptance of homosexuality in the 70s. Obviously prohibiting homosexuality is not the appropriate way to deal with this, but the fact remains there is likely a trade-off between a society's permissiveness towards sexual-liberation/homosexuality and the rate at which STDs are transmitted.

In other words, without considering the agony that AIDS has caused as homosexuality became more culturally accepted and widely practiced, one does not see cultural practice in its real context.