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Oklahoma's idiot state legislator Sally Kern calls homosexuality a bigger threat to America than terrorism. Steven Levingston blogs at the WaPo:
State Rep. Sally Kern wrote her book, "The Stoning of Sally Kern: The Liberal Attack on Christian Conservatism and Why We Must Take a Stand," in response to an uproar she unleashed in 2008 when she was recorded leveling a similar attack against gays.In that recording, Kern expressed her fear that school children were being indoctrinated to accept a gay lifestyle, that "studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than a few decades," and that gays were more of a threat to the country than terrorists.
...Kern, the wife of a Baptist minister, was speaking about her book in late August with Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans For Truth about Homosexuality, when she again brought up the gay-terrorist comparison.
"You know," she told LaBarbera, "if you just look at it in practical terms, which has destroyed and ended the life of more people? Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/AIDS? In the last 20 years, 15 to 20 years, we've had maybe three terrorist attacks on our soil with a little over 5,000 people regrettably losing their lives. In the same time frame, there have been hundreds of thousands who have died because of having AIDS. So which one's the biggest threat?"
I heard about this from a mailing list I'm on, Human Rights Campaign, which also did the tiresome thing of playing the polarization game in their email about Kern:
...she's written a book criticizing the efforts of people like you and me to confront right-wing hate like hers.
I emailed them back:
Um, I have friends, including gay friends who are conservatives, and I'm fiscally conservative and socially libertarian, and find the fact that gays do not have equal rights in this country (marriage, etc.) vile and disgusting, and think gays and lesbians should pay fewer taxes until they are allowed marital rights in all 50 states.
Oh, and for the record, I'm a Neither -- neither a Democrat nor a Republican, and I'm voting for Austin Beutner for mayor of Los Angeles, and I have not a clue as to whether he's a Democrat or a Republican, but what I do know, after hearing him speak at a private gathering on Friday night, is that he's the best hope of bringing jobs to LA, keeping the ones we have, and fixing the potholes in the roads on our way to them.
It's always a nice thing to have a candidate who understands that more taxpayers are better than higher taxes.
I R A Darth Aggie at September 14, 2011 8:09 AM
AIDS has fallen off the MSM radar, so here is a pretty good and concise update:
http://www.avert.org/usa-statistics.htm
Eric at September 14, 2011 8:38 AM
If I was gay and got a tax deduction for not being allowed to marry (and one of many not really wanting to get married) in ANY of the 50 states I would be writing tax deductible checks to any non-profit organization I could who was against gay marriage. It is in my financial best interest since I don't value marriage in the same context as heterosexuals.
(Unintended consequences of legislating fairness....)
OF course, if I was gay and getting married really mattered to me more than anything else right now, I'd probably move to a state that allows gay marriage/civil unions - since there are a few. And wait for the other states to catch up.... Why not do it myself instead of waiting for the government to catch up with me?
I am niether gay, nor, unfortunately come from a privileged class (except maybe sex) and i pay a lot of taxes to live in California. So many that I can no longer afford to live here if I choose to:
1. Raise a family
2. Own a Home
3. Have my kids go to a good school
4. Live near where I work (and not incur a ridiculous gas bill every month)
So I am moving to a State I can do this.
So why can't I get a tax break? Oh, wait, I can. I can move. Which is what I am doing. I am not leaving it up to the government to fix my problem.
Feebie at September 14, 2011 8:55 AM
"studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than a few decades"
I'm sure that would surprise the fuck out of the ancient Greeks and Romans.
Elle at September 14, 2011 9:04 AM
Talk about non-sequiturs. "...which has destroyed and ended the life of more people?Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/AIDS?" As far as I know, HIV/AIDS deaths are of straight AND gay people and right now the number one demographic is in the black community of young black STRAIGHT women.
From the link provided by Eric above - "In 2009 blacks/African Americans made up an estimated 50% of new HIV diagnoses, whites 27%, and Hispanics/Latinos 19%. HIV was diagnosed in an estimated 166 children (
NikkiG at September 14, 2011 10:08 AM
And polygamists should never have to pay taxes--the rights thereof are routinely stomped on.
Why is people, especially women, have such a problem allowing polygamists to live in peace?
BOTU at September 14, 2011 10:22 AM
In general, two-income married couples pay more taxes than two-income unmarried couples.
Goo at September 14, 2011 10:43 AM
NikkiG. A few thoughts came to mind reading your post.
Have you heard the phrase "Down Low Brother"?
*Of the African American participants represented in this study*, I wonder if the numbers represented for the heterosexual women who've contracted AIDS/HIV via heterosexual sex factors in the following:
1. The "Down Low Brother" phenomenon or;
2. How many of these women are having unprotected, non-monogamous sex with men coming out of prison (where male/male rape or sex is an indisputable fact among the prison population as well as the black population represents a greater number of those incarcerated than any other race).
(Of course, if you take those who did NOT have a single mother - then, magically the large disparity of races within the prison population are eliminated, and will then reflect a relatively even distribution). AND how would that affect those statistics now?
Feebie at September 14, 2011 10:47 AM
So Ms. Kern,
If you believe HIV/AIDS is a bigger threat to American lives than terrorism, then it follows that you support shifting billions from Homeland Security to HIV/AIDS research and prevention programs, right?
smurfy at September 14, 2011 10:53 AM
Someone buy smurfy a drink! Great retort.
Eric at September 14, 2011 11:14 AM
I would love to meet a two-income married household that pays less than if they were unmarried.
I have never understood why anyone would care if homosexuals were able to marry. I don't feel that stable, married, households would pose any risk to other stable, married, households. I also believe in polygamy, and I see nothing wrong with multiple people committing themselves to each other in much the same manner. I do not understand though, how homosexuals are discriminated against more than polygamists.
Both can do the exact same thing, but I have not met very many homosexuals that do have a ceremony and live like a 'normal' married couple would. Just because it is not government sanctioned doesn't mean that they can not marry and live peacefully; it only means that the government does not recognize their union, and they receive no benefits. However, a polygamist family that does perform a ceremony and live like a 'normal' married couple can and have been arrested and jailed.
Cat at September 14, 2011 1:59 PM
Elle parroting propaganda with:
Neither of which societies normalized homosexuality as we are now asked to do.
The exclusive homosexual was an object of scorn and derision in both Greece and Rome. Marriage? You've got to be kidding.
And since the Greeks incorporated rape of little boys into their educational approach, I don't think you want to cite them as a moral reference... mmkay?
Ben David at September 14, 2011 3:09 PM
> Someone buy smurfy a drink! Great retort
Yeah, but...
Pandering politicians have spent all kinds of money on things we didn't want them to. And by 'money' and 'we' I mean 'money' and MINE. Yours too... But you might be cool with it. We never know.
Lefties and fools like to drive around the American coasts in hybrid cars and pretend that hillbillies in the boonies are the greatest source of darkness in their lives.
"Baptists"!!!
"OKLAHOMA!!!" (Imagine!)
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> I have not met very many homosexuals that do
> have a ceremony and live like a 'normal'
> married couple would.
Yeah. Cat's right. Marriage means less and less to people generally, including through the tax code. People who persist in describing gay marriage as the New Frontier of Human Rights seem more and more like people who really just want you to tune in to Glee every Tuesday night at 7 on Fox, so you can chat with them about it on Wednesday mornings at the coffeepot.
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I nonetheless maintain that Ben-David, who is spotlessly correct in his comment posted above, is wrong about this topic in general terms.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at September 14, 2011 3:40 PM
Let's all pretend that someone named "Sally Kern" in the dustbowl is a threat to American values, OK?
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at September 14, 2011 3:42 PM
And since the Greeks incorporated rape of little boys into their educational approach, I don't think you want to cite them as a moral reference... mmkay?
Posted by: Ben David
As opposed to your culture with the slavery and raping of women and genocide and ritualistically cutting every penis they could lay their hands on?
lujlp at September 14, 2011 5:36 PM
"Neither of which societies normalized homosexuality as we are now asked to do."
Oh, like you were there.
I don't know if I've asked you to do this yet, but here you are:
Point at a person who is gay. Then, state for the record what rights you would deny them on that basis.
By the way - have you met BOTU? Is that better?
Radwaste at September 14, 2011 7:44 PM
Oh for frak's sake, I wasn't making a *moral* argument Ben David. If I were I would have pointed out that there are far worse evils in this world than one person with a penis loving another person who also has a penis. There are far worse *sins* than one person who has a vagina forming a family with another possesor of a vagina.
I was making a historical -factual- point to point out the fallacy of "any civilization that embraced homosexuality collapsed in a few decades." And the Spartans at least embraced it (and each other) as an important part of their culture. Would I say their culture is one to be emulated? Don't be retarded. They did lots of things we would find unsavory and unacceptable in modern western culture (as did the romans, the mongols, the vikings, and every other culture that differs from ours). But as a data point they disprove Kern's dumbass statement.
Elle at September 14, 2011 8:39 PM
"They did lots of things we would find unsavory..."
Like - interfering with other sovereign nations and using military might to influence world trade?
Gee, I'm glad we don't do that sort of thing in these modern times...
Radwaste at September 16, 2011 6:09 PM
As far as I know, HIV/AIDS deaths are of straight AND gay people and right now the number one demographic is in the black community of young black STRAIGHT women. nikkig
In this day and age with the info on prevention and safety given to absolutely every-damn-body... why is anyone in the USA catching it? Why is that same demographic (young black women) having so much difficulty with birth control and STD prevention?
I have very limited sympathy for stupidity induced problems.
LauraGr at September 17, 2011 8:13 AM
Well, here's a simple Litmus test on anyone's human rights.
As you can see, courtesy of your favorite search engine, the consequences of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are profound.
There is no need to clamor "Science hasn't found a 'gay gene'!"
You can point at living people in the USA who have NO GENDER - and some who were born with both.
The question is - would you deny them the rights of American citizenship? Why? How?
And then, since I have have shown by reference to that condition that internal structural differences are also implicit in biological gender, just how do you deny any homosexual any rights?
Radwaste at September 17, 2011 2:38 PM
Interesting Blog. Thanks for posting this up. I'm going to share it to my friends
Damian Barrister-McCarthy at October 10, 2011 4:35 AM
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