Hell I had to pick switches when I was a kid. I'm not all that sympathetic to a kid getting the belt for stealing.

Haven't seen the video yet, streaming doesn't work well from here, but I'll watch it later.

> Hell I had to pick switches when I was a kid.
> I'm not all that sympathetic to a kid getting
> the belt for stealing.

Of all the paragraphs of text I've read since starting to visit this blog 8 (9?) years ago –and there have been tens or hundreds of thousands– that's perhaps both the most pathetic and least persuasive.

Christ, I didn't even get to the next one:

> Haven't seen the video yet, streaming doesn't
> work well from here, but I'll watch it later.

but I'll watch it later.

Stopped at 1:20. Decided I didn't want to watch the rest. Whatever happened to restitution?

(FTR I loaded the video but could only mouse-scan it, and am grateful for bad lighting. We get the picture)

MPet, I was gonna make a joke about retribution vs. restitution, but per Wikipedia: "The law of restitution is the law of gains-based recovery."

What "gain" did this father claim from this behavior beyond an incomprehensibly sadistic thrill?

Payback in these contexts is impossible. Opprobrium and shunning are not.

I would gladly beat this man to death with a leather belt. You wouldn't even have to pay me.

I mean, we have already established that a grossly disproportionate physical response is acceptable, right?

...or is that only true if our authority is being questioned?

I'd call him an animal, but my dog isn't a cruel bastard.

My favorite part was when the mother told her to turn over and "take it like a woman".

So, women should be accustomed to being beaten and humiliated like this? Can we possibly deport these two to Saudi Arabia? Looks like they'd fit right in.

Three data points:

1. The girl has cerebral palsy.

2. The father is a family court judge.

3. "When asked about the video, Adams told NBC's Andy Liscano with KRIS-TV in Corpus Christi that the incident happened years ago and that he's apologized. He added that 'it's not as bad as it looks on tape.'"

I'm pretty sure "Robert" was just a joke. I'm got suckered. This is like the "Elisabeth Irwin" thing at Seipp's a few years ago.

Well Judge, looks like it's your turn in the docket of public opinion.

I stopped after about the 10th whack and even without the sound that was plenty. While I've never hit my own kid (who's made it to 13 and is now bigger than me, so he's in the clear) I can at least follow the "it worked on me when I was a kid" reasoning behind a single whack with a switch. This is a beating, plain and simple. Disgusting.

Hell, in the olden days, a feudal lord could cut off your hands for theft. You didn't even need to be guilty! Ah, the good old days.

Them's was great times, right Monny?

The Google News search for this has picked up some mojo steam in just the past couple of hours.

It's not possible to reform the souls of such people. But it's fun to know what that this will be a topic conversation in every day of the rest of his life. UGLY conversation.

I haven't wanted to see extreme justice dealt out so much, I think, ever. Put him in general population for a year or two, see what sort of ass whooping he can put up with. Any responsible adult with this sort of rage against his own family should be removed from society, now. This guy is a judge for Christ's sake- he (as all judges) demand to be held at a higher level, so he should be judged from a higher level.

>> The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video.

Fuck that. Mom should have been in the next room grabbing the gun or baseball bat. More than that she should have taken the kid(s) to safety long before. I can't for a moment believe this was the first or an isolated moment. If a mother can't summon the courage to protect her own child, what good is her existence? It's not like there aren't resources out there for her to utilize.

Fuck that was disturbing. There is a certain animal instinct that we men are born with that is willing to go primordial on occasion, and this is the first instance of that I have encountered in years.

Luvyoo, E-man

I thought I'd post a GIF of proper parenting in case the "judge" sees this thread. Here. Take the lesson, idiot, from a higher life-form than you.

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The judge is a dick but this excuse making for women is getting old. How is the wife not in Any way responsible? She got with an abuser and participated in the abuse. If a man is psychologically abused by his wife is he forgiven if he beats up his kids? It's just like everything feminism advocates. "women are equal to men but not responsible for their actions!"

"The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video."

Bull feathers.

So why didn't the daughter report this then? I agree it's dreadful, but waiting for years and putting it kn YouTube seems passive-agressive, rather than the act of a adult woman.

> putting it kn YouTube seems passive-agressive,
> rather than the act of a adult woman

For misconduct of this caliber, who cares? So she's "passive-aggressive". Also, she's got shitty taste in music; she eats too much junk food, and her ass looks fat in those pants.

Her father, a man with government authority in family law, beat her with a motherfucking belt. Perhaps this is the way a thoughtful "adult woman" so assaulted is supposed to respond...

Or did you have a better course in mind for her?

Will not watch.
But i am glad to see that a bit of technology (and some ignorance of tech on Daddy's part) gives this young woman a way to fight back. In the old days what happened in the basement stayed in the basement, sometimes buried under the floorboards.

> Will not watch.

G'donnya! (Apparently it's exactly what we think it is.)

The judge's wife was emotionally abused herself and was severely manipulated into assisting the beating and should not be blamed for any content in this video.

At first I thought the woman was trying to co-opt the punishment in order to protect her child. But she still smacks the poor kid silly, even when the man is out of the room.

Yet this girl still wants to find one of her two parents she can forgive and somehow connect with.

Nope, senora's an ass, too. I'm sorry.

Note she says "the judge's wife" and not "my mother." If the woman is not her mother, where IS her mother?

So why didn't the daughter report this then? I agree it's dreadful, but waiting for years and putting it on YouTube seems passive-agressive, rather than the act of a adult woman. -- KateC at November 2, 2011 6:36 PM

KateC,

She may have finally gotten out of the house and could post it without retribution. She may not have wanted to face the CPS with physical disabilities. Maybe she wanted to try and make the statute of limitations had run for her "theft". Maybe because she knew her maternal progenitor (I won't stoop low enough to even call him a father) was a county judge, she expected she had no out.

I don't where you are or have lived. I, for many years, have lived in suburban or rural areas. Once you get out here, you start playing the "Six Degrees of <known person>" game all the time.

One of my neighbors is a butcher. I can often say I live near "John" and they know which house I live in. When you have that kind of connectivity -- there doesn't feel like a lot of privacy, or people you can turn to for a way out.

I'm not saying you aren't right. But look at the world the person was living in.

[1.] > How is the wife not in Any way responsible?

[2.] > Bull feathers.

[3.] > senora's an ass, too.

You're all correct! And yet, if the victim had her way, we wouldn't hold the mother accountable for what appears to be complicity in the worst of the misconduct.


Listen, families are shitty, and families are where souls get forged. This process is incredibly complicated. Maybe some minimal shade of kindness from this girl's mother made the difference between a crushed heart and abject suicide. OR MAYBE THE DAUGHTER IS WRONG ABOUT THAT.

Does it matter? Will the whole of society, which pays for family courts, ever be satisfied that justice has been found in a case like this?

No. Family law is a shitbath. Government is not about intimacy. Government can be roughly configured to hold some standards to our most personal behavior, especially to others at a distance... But that's it. We're not going to know or care what should be happening in most people's homes.

What I like about this is that it's a double-headed argument against the idea that goverment can deliver justice to intimate failures. Dad is a basket case, and yet Dad is the one who passes judgment, in camera, about other basket cases.

So why didn't the daughter report this then? I agree it's dreadful, but waiting for years and putting it kn YouTube seems passive-agressive, rather than the act of a adult woman.

Probably because the people who were supposed to protect her above all others in the world were the ones beating her senseless, so there was little reason to believe strangers would help her. Funny that being beaten by your parents would distort your sense of trust in the world.

'Zackly.

She's not beaten "senseless". Let's not make it worse than it is. Also, let's not personalize this.
I think there's much, much more to this family drama.

Not personalizing this at all, and I'm not sure where I left that impression. The research on the outcomes of child abuse is pretty compelling, if anecdotes don't do it for you.

Of course there's more to the family drama. There always is. But I can't see anything more that makes it OK for a father to beat his daughter with a belt.

She's not beaten "senseless". Let's not make it worse than it is. Also, let's not personalize this. I think there's much, much more to this family drama. -- KateC at November 2, 2011 9:01 PM

Can you agree that she was beaten regardless of the context? I cant.

Do you have any objections if someone gets beaten for being an atheist? What about Judaism an nri?

How awesome that this girl has this video. I grew up in an abusive home and I know that if it weren't for my sister, who I can share memories with, that I would be completely insane. One of the worst parts is the self doubt that comes with these types of upbringings. If it weren't for my sister I would think I was making things up or blowing them out of proportion because everyone in my small town LOVED my parents and to this day wouldn't believe how abusive they were, even though the evidence was all over the place and right in front of their faces. I'm not surprised at all that it took this long for her to share the video or that she has mixed feelings about her mom. It has taken me YEARS and lots of counseling to sort out my feelings, emotions, thoughts, realities and I still can't be sure that I'm done. For a long time all my anger was focused on my dad because he was more physically abusive and it was easier to believe my feelings that that was wrong. Then I went through a whole process of realizing the role that my mom played in the abuse and how much pain she inflicted on me too. Even after starting to address the abuse, it is surprising how much you emotionally NEED to love your parents and for them to love you. It is a primal biological need to connect to your parents when you are a child and it takes a long time to really GET that you will never be able to do that in a healthy way. I'm horrified by this video, but I am so glad this daughter has it and can see it and has proof that what she remembers and feels really did happen.

Also, I love you Crid and MonicaP! Your comments are right on.

> I think there's much, much more to this
> family drama.

Certainly. Who would ever doubt it?

But the precise motives and alliances that made this go down are not of interest to, well, much of anyone, beyond (1.) those with intimate relationships to the family, including therapists, and (2.) busybodies.

The intimates and the professionals are on their own, and may God have mercy on their souls. I got nuthin' to do with that. Don't care. Can't help. Don't want to try.

And we ought to discourage busybodies, those who'd use government power to tickle their own egos.

Meanwhile, righteous people will watch this video and know that this guy is all fucked up. They want to say so. They want to CLUCK, which is usually obnoxious... But in this case, it's forgivable. This man was the senior in his family, the man who should have been most concerned with the girl's well-being, long-term interests, and feelings. Hell, voters had empowered him with that authority in OTHER families. So when people talk about this, shouldn't be scolded about not knowing the whole story. OF COURSE WE DON'T.

But what difference could it possibly make? What exculpatory announcement could the father have made on a day like this? It's hard to imagine. Maybe 'I was a raging alcoholic, but after years of therapy I've come to my senses and tried to make amends' would be the right way to go. Whatever— It would have to be something bigger than "it's not as bad as it looks on tape". I'm well-versed in the nuanced deceptions of video, but this artifact is exactly what it looks like.

And as Monica noticed, the comments from the daughter are pretty much what we'd expect too. Consider this one from Wednesday:

"It is my wish that people stop
threatening my father and start offering professional help. That is what he really needs."

Well, golly, it's good to know everyone's "wishes", but justice isn't the plaything of victims: Consider this earlier discussion. If a "professional" wants to wants to "start offering" therapy to the guy, that's fine with me, but I'm not sure taxpayers should be expected to pony up the dough. The rest of us are citizens. We don't do intimacy until laws are broken.

In my experience, the real-world translation of "It isn't what it looks like" is almost always "It's exactly what it looks like," particularly when it applies to bullies.

"it's not as bad as it looks on tape" is the world's most knock-kneed, jelly-boweled excuse, particularly when it comes from a frigging family court judge.

Y'know, "It is my wish" is an interesting locution, isn't it? Not as ugly as "it's not as bad as it looks on tape", but still noteworthy.

I didn't see anything in this video that hadn't happened to me many times. I can't watch this video and not personalize it. It's like a soldier watching footage of the battle he already fought.

I know in my own case. I DID report it. There was obvious physical evidence from my neck to my ankles. Every bruise, every laceration did nothing but highlight what happened at my house. I can not begin to describe the shame felt when the school nurse and multiple police officers take pictures of your backside. And then, the horrible stories escaping from foster homes, of abuse far worse. In the end, nothing happened to my father. And I had to live there until I was eighteen years old, by which time he'd broke my nose.

I believe that child abuse occurs a majority of the time, not because the parent is sadistic or evil, but because they are put in a situation that exceeds their capabilities, and are without the resources or ability to seek help. This bothers me because this man was in a position that had the resources available to seek help. Had she really been such a huge discipline problem, he is in a role in our society that should know how to handle it correctly.

In this case, I hope this girl seeks counselling, because she obviously doesn't understand the amount her mother participated and enabled her father to do this. I highly suspect her mother has manipulated her into believing a reality far from the truth.

So...who thought Michael Fay was abused when he was caned for vandalism? Bet most of you were more than OK with that. Why should this be thought of differently?

I've felt a belt before, and its marginally worse than a bee sting.

I've seen what serious physical abuse looks like, toddlers whose parents burned their legs with boiling water or cigarette butts.

Infants with infections from diapers that went unchanged for days at a time or more.

Kids with broken bones that were not set properly because they weren't taken to a doctor.

I don't like what the guy said, but I'd wager most of you have never felt a belt before. He gave her a couple of swats with the softest part of the thing as punishment for stealing. He didn't use the buckle of the damn thing.

Sorry, but while its ugly, discipline usually is ugly. I've felt switches, I've felt belts, maybe I just have a really thick fucking hide or something, but this is a lot of drama over a punishment that a generation ago wouldn't have even merited disapproval from the neighbors.

Robert:

Sorry, but while its ugly, discipline usually is ugly.

THIS IS NOT DISCIPLINE - which is obviously related to the word "disciple" and involves more than Pavlovian conditioning.

When a 3-year-old reaches for the stove, you swat their hand - lightly! - because that's the level they're at.

HITTING A TEENAGER IS NOT DISCIPLINE because at that age, true discipline addresses the child's self, will, and choice.

Get a clue.

Also, unless I missed something, Fay was not caned by his own parents.

Lots of things were OK in the past that aren't OK now. "But we always did it this way" is still not persuasive. People react differently to different kinds of abuse for different reasons. What barely impacts one kid can destroy another for reasons we can't predict. It's like saying, "Smoking three packs a day didn't do me any harm! That cancer stuff is bullshit."

There are plenty of people who have been beaten by their parents who insist that it didn't hurt them any. Some even say it was good discipline that made them better people. All we have is their word on it. My half brother and half sister say the same thing about their father, but in the end, my sister is the poster child for Borderline Personality Disorder and my brother will probably die of a drug overdose if he doesn't die in a random act of violence first.

I know plenty of parents for whom discipline isn't ugly. Unpleasant for the child, sure, but not ugly. And their children are bright and well-behaved. If discipline is usually ugly, then something is wrong.

Bullshit, Robert. Do you expect us all to admire how you tough you are? You expect this physically disabled girl to "take it like a grown woman" and shrug it off?

How grand that you've seen kids who've been scarred and disfigured. But, newsflash! Sometimes abuse doesn't leave scars. Now, I'm not one to call every swat or spanking of a kid abuse. Obviously, it was common in many families and schools in previous generations and some parents still do it, and I don't believe ALL of those kids are abused. I'm also not a parent and I've never spanked a kid. But from my childhood experiences and talking to parents, I have some strong opinions. For physical punishment to teach rather than traumatize a kid, it must be done calmly, without anger or demeaning language, and involve the ABSOLUTE minimum discomfort and duration in order for the kid to get the message.

And frankly, I think that is beyond most people. I imagine it would be far too easy to give in to anger and power and to really WANT to hurt and scare the kid. And that is where you cross the line from discipline to abuse.

The goal is to teach the kid about respect of authority, possibly safety, not terror. I have no desire to watch the video, so I can't speculate the amount of pain he's inflicting. But according to the transcription, he yells and swears at her, threatens to "spank her in the fucking face" while she pleads for mercy, and it goes on for at least seven minutes, stopping and starting again. I can only conclude that he is deliberately inflicting TERROR right along with the physical pain, and that it is abuse.

I would think so even if she didn't have cerebral palsy, but that just magnifies her trauma--because she has a fragile frame and difficulty moving, she certainly feels more frightened and vulnerable, and quite possibly more pain, than a healthy child would.

So, tough man Robert, tell us again that this is no big deal and she and we should shrug it off. Contemptible.

"but this is a lot of drama over a punishment that a generation ago wouldn't have even merited disapproval from the neighbors." Sort of like smacking your wife around.

"He didn't use the buckle of the damn thing." He also didn't use a paddle or a cat of nine tails. Shall we commend him for those as well.

I've been smacked a few times, some deserved some not. Got the belt once in camp. Was planning on pound that particular old fuck (60's at least now) into a fucking biscuit but I got a carry permit. I slap that old shit sack around the poof goes the permit. Beating him within and inch of his life not worth it. Though it would have been a whole lot of fun. Didn't learn shit from that experience. However I carry a burning desire to pound the crap out of a senior citizen. Super effective yup.

I'm not sure spanking is abuse or even that bad. It's not a form I would use but hey to each their own. Whipping a child with a belt like that is not discipline and even the shit sack admits he lost his temper.

P.S. I get my ass kicked 2-3 times a week as a hobby so it has nothing to do with any aversion to pain.

Sorry 2 generations ago
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> its marginally worse than a bee sting.

So what kind of monster imagines stinging his princess with a bee?

He didn't use the buckle of the damn thing.

Oh, well it's OK then. He didn't use the fucking buckle. If you think a vicious, uncontrolled beating that leaves bruises and welts over a child's body is an fine, as long as it doesn't involve hard metal objects is reasonable discipline, then you should either get therapy or a vasectomy.

The point is, to all of you who think this is "ok," is that according to our biology, the most crucial job you have on earth, should you choose it, is raising your children. If YOU CANNOT CONTROL yourself, and cannot talk, think, or LEAVE the room when something ticks you off, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Leave the job to people who can do it well (not going to happen, but really that's the only way to make things better). Stop making excuses for this crap, it's not ok, even if it or something worse happened to you.

Cat commented that she doesn't think these abusers abuse because they're evil, but because they've gotten themselves into a situation that they don't know how to properly handle. Agreed. However, their disturbing actions allow many, many people to think and say otherwise, and after all the hitting, aren't you really just an evil person? Maybe 20 years ago you were just a poor soul who couldn't deal, but now you have become something despicable.

I remember clearly a post Amy had awhile back, she posted a letter her Dad had written her about raising kids, and his method, which was something like, "loving instruction as opposed to disciipline." DUH. What did your child-self want more than anything?? Love and safety. This is neither.

Y'know, they really come crawling out of the shadows under a post like this.

We quickly get the sense that what these people really want is to be backhandedly assured that their parents were wrong for causing them so much pain, while somehow being loyal to an abusive idiot. "Robert", if he's real, may very well be a dim bulb.... But no one could be so stupid as to offer arguments like this without some twisted psychology in motion. It's like fishing for compliment... People do what they gotta do.

The comments that start with 'Oh yeah, my parents beat the SHIT out of me' aren't exactly interesting, but they're less annoying somehow. They're not trying to be cute.

Also, it would mean a lot to me if someone would blame the RIAA for all this.

Something else, because I just can't stop: My father was born in 1921. He took more than a few beatings in his time. He got his first job as a shoe-shine boy at 6. He was drafted into the Army in 1942 and spent 4 years overseas. Well into his 70s, he was one of the strongest men I've ever known. He was all about the discipline.

Yet somehow he managed to never hit me. He wasn't into beating up children, despite the fact that no one in my family would have questioned it.

Some people manage to rise above the excuses.

Well if music was free this would never have happened. If food was free no one would starve. If housing were free no one would be homeless.

Now if we could only make all this free stuff while paying people great salaries for just being awesome.

Btw bee sting my ass. I still remember the sting of the scum bunnies belt. I've been bit by dogs, stung by bees and wasps, nothing was even close. Add to that plenty of self inflicted (unintentional) injuries with nail guns, blow torches, flammable liquids nothing comes close.

Also, reread Monica's comments.

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Peeps, exactly which century, or millennium, do you want to live in? If you want to go back to 323 AD, when you could beat your kids all you wanted, that's fine. There are places in the world where it's still like that.

You're gonna miss the hot water and electricity and airplanes and all the rest, though... The systems which make a modern society so pleasant require coherent, stable personalities to hold it together.

But whatever, you can go and move to the Middle East. Go on ahead. We'll be fine.

One of Dr. John Rosemond's better columns. It's from 2001. Note what he says in the third-to-last paragraph.

I've asked several recent audiences, "Raise your hand if you think the punishment - in other words, the consequence a child receives for misbehaving - should fit the crime?" Every time, nearly everyone raises a hand, which goes a long way toward explaining why so many of today's parents complain that the consequences they employ don't seem to work, that no matter what they do, their children just keep right on misbehaving in the same exasperating ways.

The old-fashioned parent was unconcerned with the issue of fairness (used in this case to refer to the perception that there is "equity" between the misbehavior and its consequence) when it came to discipline. Rather, he or she was intent upon "nipping" misbehavior in the proverbial bud, which was generally accomplished through a lowering of the proverbial boom.

The old-fashioned parent realized that the size of a given misbehavior should not dictate the size of the punishment. After all, any misbehavior, no matter how small, can become a major problem if allowed to flourish; ergo, the boom.

Modern parents have been brainwashed into believing that any and all old-fashioned parenting practices should be avoided, as they are supposedly damaging to self-esteem. In a sense, that is correct. But then, most old-fashioned parents wanted to raise humble, modest children. Intuitively, before the term came into popular usage, they realized that children with high self-esteem are likely to be obnoxious little brats; ergo, the boom.

As a child, I was boomed on more than a few occasions. So was every kid in my neighborhood. None of us liked it, of course. But when I talk about such boomings with people my age, we all agree that in retrospect these psychologically incorrect disciplinary events (PSIDEs) eventually proved to be blessings in our lives.

As one fifty-something fellow recently told me, "I'd have probably been in prison before I was 20 if my parents hadn't been willing to cause me extreme discomfort when I misbehaved." And, he added, they never, ever spanked him! He meant psychological discomfort; i.e., they lowered his self-esteem; i.e., when he got "too big for his britches," they cut him down to his proper size.

In fact, I talk to lots of people my age who were never spanked. Instead, the first time they violated curfew, they were grounded for a semester; the first time they talked back to their dads, they were made to chop and carry firewood for an entire weekend; the first time they rode their bikes where they had been told not to, their bikes were taken for a month; the first time they goofed off in class, they were made to write long letters of apology to the teacher and every classmate. And so on. No, spanking was not the secret to the reasonably well-behaved baby boomer. The not-so-secret secret was the boom.

Come to think of it, we post-war kids are not the "boomers." Our parents were.

In today's news, the daughter explains that she posted the video because of ongoing harassment from this ... "man" ...

Now it gets interesting. It was on Yahoo! News this morning. Now it's completely gone. Vanished down the Memory Hole, a la' "1984".

My bad - looks like they just moved it off the front page. Whew. Getting a little paranoid from all the TSA nonsense, I guess.

http://news.yahoo.com/dad-caught-video-beating-daughter-needs-help-070228201.html

Be as paranoid as you want... Events will catch up.

You were right about the comet....

"The systems which make a modern society so pleasant require coherent, stable personalities to hold it together."

Not a very convincing argument Crid given our modern society with so many people on FDA approved mood elevators.

Dooood! Do you know how much stability it takes compose, test, manufacture, proscribe, and sell a mood elevator? I mean, we're the nation with the FDA! If any other nation has done a better job of making drugs happen, I haven't heard about it.

Listen, I was being cynical with Gog a few minutes ago... But when you come from a culture that likes to beat teen girls with belts and tell them to "take it like a woman", you don't get the kind of intellectual environment where bright young minds can comfortably frolic through the disciplines of biochemistry in a productive way. No Prozac, no Ritalin, no Viagra.... The people in Arabia who could have formulated those compounds were too busy watching decapitations on parking garages.

Prescribe. Sorry

Ooooo, a little perspective ... and it's even global perspective. Gosh though I'm wondering if that's the sort of multi-culturalismishness we should be engaging in though ... depends on who you ask I guess.

I agree, Crid, by the way! Pretty hard to push for education/economy/equality/blah blah blah when they're stuck in the dark ages. Thought we were trying to do better than that.

My God. I'm enraged. If I knew this man personally, and lived anywhere near him, I don't know how I'd stop myself from beating the living shit out of him!

I would suggest that unless Aransas County wishes to be known as the town that advocates child abuse, they deal with these parents as harshly as possible. The Judge needs to have his ass removed from the bench, permanently, and prison time for both parents. And every one of their fellow inmates should be required to watch this video. I understand that child abusers are particularly loathed among the prison population. Maybe the inmates can stage a few reenactments, starring the Judge as Hillary.

Update: It's always about the Merc

That's all?

I thought I was going to see a real beating. I got worse then that when I was 11 years old, and I'm no worse for the wear.

> I'm no worse for the wear.

We'll be the judge of that. There's a certain odor in the wording: I thought I was going to see a real beating. See also But I'll watch it later, above.

More from Rosemond:

"In my view, a spanking is a spanking only if the following conditions are adhered to:

-The parent administers it with her or her hand only.
-The parent's hand makes contact with the child's rear end only.
-The hand strikes the rear no more than three times.

Anything else is a beating."

And: "To spank or not to spank is not the question. The question is, does a particular punishment stop the behavior or not?"

Well, I guess the paddle Coach carried now and then in Junior High years ago caused latent mental illness: it was so effective that those it was used on now refuse to let anything of the sort be used on their precious children!

That's all?

I thought I was going to see a real beating. I got worse then that when I was 11 years old, and I'm no worse for the wear.

Yeah! Yeah! You call that a beating? Pussies! My dad used to take a wrench to me when I was kid. That's a fucking beating. That girl probably didn't have any internal hemorrhaging or nerve damage or nothing. Shit, if my old man was that soft on me, I'd think it was my birthday. Hell, I'd probably bust his balls about not even using the belt buckle until he really whaled on me.

Fuck that, Chistopher, my Dad did vivisection.... With blunt instruments. Tendons, nerve bundles and blood vessels released with a snapping sound I'll never forget... And then they'd weep their liquids into a pool on the floor, a puddle he called "discipline", for me to mop up after our "session" was over.

Didn't do me no harm, obviously... I'm the thoughtful master of spiritual development, knowutimean? A loving guy.

*Yawn* Crid's trolling again. I generally just ignore him, but; his post is so over the top I couldn't help myself from reminding him what an idiot he is.

Too bad Crid doesn't shoot his mouth off to people like that in public. If he did he'd find out what a 'real beating' is.