Well, now, I thought you were the one who thought fathers were completely unnecessary.

That is so full of shit.

I remember one of the boys my my wife looked after when she was running a home daycare business. The song "Dance With My Father" made him cry. Where his father was, he wasn't going to be visiting any time soon, and he knew it.

Intact families isn't actually the question here, is it? That horse is gone. Now the question is how to let the kid see as much of either parent as possible.

Even if they were lesbians it would be immaterial, I have seen close up with friends that they act no better in regards to the children.

I know women who are into the outdoors and men that live for cooking. I think the key is for each parent to bring something to the table, and for the love and respect they feel for each other to be apparent to the child. While I would agree that heterosexual couples are the ideal for raising a child, I have no doubts whatsoever that even an average gay couple would do better than a poor heterosexual couple at raising a child.

But a huge factor also is the child... some kids born in Hell's kitchen go to lead great lives while some born in The Hampton's end up crack whores.

> While I would agree that heterosexual couples
> are the ideal for raising a child

We're done.

Unless you're thinking there are some kids who don't deserve what's best... The blacks, maybe, or those conniving asians.

Or girls.

Aha! The mentally retarded!

OT, but apropos of the thread the other day about Voter ID laws and a supposed absence of a problem...http://tinyurl.com/89h5s7u

"That is so full of shit."

So -- produce the evidence. I can't tell where you got the training and talent to write so well, but you're short of references here.

Anybody else wanna bet on Crid? Versus Amy, her research and raft of friends in the psych business?

Yes much better to let the millions of orphans live in giant communes where the proto parents are minimum wage college kids kissing their teachers ass(and occasional kissing the kids as well) rather then let responiple gay people adopt

Right crid? After all if they arent lucky enough to have the best - fuck em, they can just have nothing

> raft of friends in the psych business

It's great when you guys do your own metaphors, selling them with intimations of economic alliance. A "raft" of the mutually co-opted.

A person who would willfully deprive a child of either or both of the intimate love of a man and a woman is a heartless monster.

You have other things on your minds than the care of the young. I can't imagine why you're so ashamed of saying so out loud....

"Responiple"

"It's great when you guys do your own metaphors, selling them with intimations of economic alliance."

Translated: "You got me. I don't have any evidence that contradicts Amy."

This isn't anything near what was written, and your third sentence is a straw man w/r/t what she's been writing for at least the last 5 years.

You write real pretty, anyone can see that, and when you're on point it's great to read.

Not this time. You've been mesmerizing yourself.

I'm brilliant. People know this, and you don't need to mention it.

But tell the women, babe... Tell the women in your life that their femininity means nothing to children. Put it in a short sentence and look 'em in the eye, like a grown man who means it.

>>That is so full of shit.

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! And really? Which part? I hate guessing games.

>>A person who would willfully deprive a child of either or both of the intimate love of a man and a woman is a heartless monster.

Absolutely correct! But absent that, are there better alternatives, than no parents at all? I'm not sure what your point is, but then you are being less than eloquent tonight.

>>Aha! The mentally retarded!

So what are you drinking tonight! It's either that or you enjoy making snide pointless comments at obscure targets. I'm drinking whiskey.

I think it is wonderful this girl has the guts to write in a letter to santa, what she most likely cannot ask of her mom directly. I hope she gets her wish, but then if she doesn't, we all know she's being raised by an unfit parent.

I'm not sure my marriage will make for the long haul. Not sure if I want it to at this point. But I will NEVER try to come between my kids and their Daddy. He's an awesome father - assembling a bike from Santa for my son right now. Yeah, I birthed the kids, but he has just as much right to spend time with them as I do. A mom who would do this deserves to have the tables turned until she comes to her senses.

This poor little girl is clearly being manipulated by both her parents. The piece of crap father that posted this to Fathers and Families is obviously just as guilty as the mother in using their child as a pawn in a "who's the better parent" contest.

What a shit-bag of a father this guy is. Otherwise, a seven year old girl would have no idea what "custady pappers" are and would never have heard the term.

Plain and simple, this asshole does not love his child enough to put aside his disgusting need to be patted on the back for being such a victimized good guy. He can't possibly love his child at all. Fuck him.

In eleven years or so, this girl will wind up on the pole. Thanks Mom and Dad. Nice job.

>>What a shit-bag of a father this guy is. Otherwise, a seven year old girl would have no idea what "custady pappers" are and would never have heard the term.

Yes of course! How right you are sir, to blame the father for the child's actions when mother has full custody and control! And right again you are to blame the child's knowledge about "custady pappers" on the father, when mom has full custody and control! Your armour is so white it is truly blinding! Surely no mother could ever do harm in your presence! You make all mothers pure! *claps hands in your honor*

Kids ask for a lot of things that aren't good for them. There may be a reason this dad doesn't have equal time that the mom could rightly keep from her at that age. There might not be. But to assume the mom's a wicked bitch who doesn't deserve custody is unfounded.

What a shame that assuming the dad is an asshole who deserves it isnt unfounded

"There might not be"

Read much Luj?

>>But to assume the mom's a wicked bitch who doesn't deserve custody is unfounded.

Agreed! She has the right to prove herself an asshole, or not, just like everyone else. Let's see what happens next.

I don't know about this child, but when mine were 7 years old, they could spell "custody", "papers" and "often". This "letter to Santa" reeks of fake. Now, I will myself admit to being an asshole in a couple of instances when my ex wanted to take the girls on a day that wasn't on my agenda, but I NEVER refused to let him see them. I just couldn't do that to them. All of them. As much as he pissed me off, he's their dad, and so has a right to see them. Far be it from me to try and prevent him. I couldn't do that and have a clear conscience about it.

I don't know about this child, but when mine were 7 years old, they could spell "custody", "papers" and "often".

There are supposed adults on this blog that can't spell properly.

Okay, Conan, point taken.

Still, I agree with you that the note seems intentionally precocious. With the kinds of misspellings an adult would think a child would make.

but I NEVER refused to let him see them

I'm glad to know that you speak for the totality of American women.

I'm glad to know that you speak for the totality of American women.

I speak for myself only, thanks. (That was totally uncalled for and snarky. But you have yourself a Merry little Christmas, anyway. Nice to know that some people still have it in them to disparage the whole based on what the few say.)

Its a tactic we learned from feminists

(Sorry I just couldnt resist such an easy softball)

Yeah yeah, loojy, you're just lucky I love ya!! Have a great holiday, whichever one you celebrate!