Illegal Cream For Your Coffee
The nanny state is "protecting" citizens from drinking the unpasteurized milk they want, blogs BreakTheMatrix:
Kinzers PA - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) apparent war on Amish raw dairy farmers increased on December 6 when they filed a "motion for summary judgment," with Pennsylvania judge Lawrence Stengler asking for a permanent injunction against dairy farmer Dan Allgyer to forbid him from selling fresh milk out of state. FDA regulation 21 CFR §1240.61 criminalizes any selling of milk intended to cross state lines.After a two year expensive, exhaustive undercover operation, including multiple armed raids on Allgyer's farm, FDA agents and a team of ten federal lawyers amassed over two hundred and seventy-six pages of evidence allegedly proving what Allgyer openly admits, that he is selling fresh (raw, unpasteurized) milk to customers who knowingly carry the milk across state lines.
Thousands of Maryland customers who have been buying from Allgyer for years were the main focus for evidence during the investigation. In spite of the FDA raids and injunction filing, Allgyer has continued to support his customers' needs for fresh milk and other farm foods, citing his God-given inalienable rights.
Like most Amish, Allgyer is reluctant to participant in the legal system, but he has chosen to respond and his response claims that the FDA action "has created a serious dilemma" by "violating [his] due process and equal protection under the law" and he "is prepared to proceed with a public court forum, if necessary."
Should Stengler sign the motion, the injunction would not ban Allgyer from selling in Pennsylvania, but the Maryland families he supplies would lose their food source, he would lose his out-of-state business and would be subjected to strenuous regulation and unannounced, unlimited, unwarranted inspections at his expense, including costs of travel, food, lodging and per diems for inspectors. A single inspection could cost up to $10,000.
Wait -- we taxpayers have funded "a two year expensive, exhaustive undercover operation" to stop a farmer from selling his cows' milk to his customers who want it?
Brilliant. And people wonder why we're katrillions in debt.
via ifeminists







Anyway, he is not selling across state lines. A customer shows up, buys milk. Is he supposed to require proof of local residency before selling to them? What business does that?
If transporting milk across state lines is illegal (WTF?), it's the individual customers who are doing it.
As usual, a federal bureaucracy out of control...
a_random_guy at December 24, 2011 3:38 AM
Unpasteurized milk is a gateway dairy product.
Unpasteurized milk today to a respectable citizen and tomorrow we'll have ... unemployed dirty junkies living on the curb downing garage lab homemade Orange Julius WITH raw egg.
Oy!
jerry at December 24, 2011 4:10 AM
We can't let people drink unpasteurized whole milk.
Once you do, you will realize what they told you was milk, was really...not really milk at all.
Of course, this would upset the way government has a hand in fixing milk prices so 'small' dairy farmers don't lose money. And I have a bridge or two in NYC I'll sell ya.
DrCos at December 24, 2011 4:58 AM
"If transporting milk across state lines is illegal (WTF?), it's the individual customers who are doing it."
And here's the problem - the law is written wrong.
That's it - that's how simple it is.
The law was written to prevent commercial distribution without consumer protection. It is, after all, very easy to poison someone you don't know with improperly-handled milk. The law recognizes that "straw men" purchases in bulk could be made - "Yes, officer, this thousand gallons is for my family. See? I have a receipt."
So the solution is awesomely simple - ensure that the law says you can't resell it.
But, of course, if no one gets votes for this action, the liklihood of its getting done is low.
Radwaste at December 24, 2011 5:39 AM
And you can't have a container garden in Sarasota, FL either...
http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20111220/COLUMNIST/111229953
And the whole Rawesome Foods thing from earlier this year...
Thankfully, the government doesn't have other things to worry about (like molesting us at airports?).
DrCos at December 24, 2011 5:47 AM
The real benefit of pasteurized milk is shelf-life. Without treatment, milk must be consumed almost immediately. Pasteurization makes the mass production and sale of milk possible. If you want unpasteurized milk, you are going to have trouble with spoilage.
With regards to which: "Most people who drink spoiled milk immediately identify the "off" taste and spit it out. But young children who may not know better may drink the milk. If ingested, spoiled milk will affect a child as any other food poisoning."
Spoiled milk is no more or less dangerous than spoilage in other types of food, such as meat. The only difference with milk is that it may be fed to babies and very small children. Of course, any responsible parent will make sure that the milk is still good before giving it to their child. Criminalizing the sale of milk (in any form) is just bizarre.
Of course, it keeps more bureaucrats employed, which is probably the real motivation. Justified, of course, with the words "think of the children!"
a_random_guy at December 24, 2011 6:34 AM
I hope he demands a jury trial. This sounds like a good opportunity for jury nullification.
Cousin Dave at December 24, 2011 7:01 AM
While I don't defend the government's action in this case I'd like to point out that there is a really good reason that milk is pasteurized, i.e., preventing unnecessary death.
DrMaturin at December 24, 2011 7:42 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/12/24/illegal_cream_f.html#comment-2872617">comment from DrMaturinThey sell unpasteurized milk and cheese in France - nobody's dying. Pregnant women and mothers with small children may want to avoid buying their children unpasteurized milk...and vodka tonics. Must the rest of us be prohibited from buying it?
Amy Alkon
at December 24, 2011 7:47 AM
Google brucellosis. I'd rather drink pasteurized milk than trust that a dairy is using fastidious hygiene.
DrMaturin at December 24, 2011 10:08 AM
Out of curiosity, Amy, what do you think of government mandated vaccination of children.
DrMaturin at December 24, 2011 10:10 AM
DrM - try searching for Amy's position. It'll take a few days to read her thoughts if you also read the comments. She has not been silent on vaccinations.
Dave B at December 24, 2011 10:36 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/12/24/illegal_cream_f.html#comment-2872739">comment from DrMaturinGoogle brucellosis. I'd rather drink pasteurized milk than trust that a dairy is using fastidious hygiene.
Feel free to avoid drinking un-P milk. Working with editor on col, can answer vaccine q in depth later, but if your children are around others, you have absolutely no right to let them run around unvaccinated. See "herd immunity." ("Got Polio?")
Amy Alkon
at December 24, 2011 10:48 AM
Raw milk is fantastic. Here in Texas it's legal, but the cows have to be TB tested (and a few other diseases too) daily. Yep-daily. You are safer drinking raw milk than store-bought here. Of course, that means it costs $8 or $9 a gallon as opposed to $2.99.
It actually lasts a long time when refridgerated, and turns to buttermilk as it sours, it doesn't go "bad" like store milk.
momof4 at December 24, 2011 7:36 PM
"They sell unpasteurized milk and cheese in France - nobody's dying."
Bzzzt! Variation on the "two wrongs" fallacy. To compare this properly, you must show the distribution network and the average time between collection and consumption are similar between the USA and France. It seems at first glance that The USA has longer transportation times. If not, please advise!
Also - what does a pint cost, USA vs France?
Radwaste at December 25, 2011 6:54 AM
Rad,
You're missing the point. No one is saying that the general requirement for pasteurized milk as sold in your grocery store is wrong.
The argument is that for those who want to take the "risk" of buying raw milk and cheese is being prohibited.
Such as the Wisconsin ruling by Judge Patrick J. Fiedler with his statement
The equivalent statement would be you have every right to raise cherry tomato plants on your balcony, but you have no right to eat those cherry tomatoes without having them inspected by the government.
Jim P. at December 25, 2011 8:13 AM
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