Ease Up: Unwad Your Atheistic Panties About Christmas
I'm a atheist, and I love Christmas. It's pretty, it's warm, and it's fun (when people aren't, as I like to put it, beating the living crap out of their neighbor to buy the last Nintendo in the name of peace, love, and goodwill toward men).
In fact, I wish people would leave Christmas lights on their houses and Christmas trees up year-round. They look happy.
I don't understand the contortions atheist Alain de Botton had to go through to get okay with Christmas -- except that maybe the decade of one's asshole-ity, the 20s, was the time he went through his particular contortions.
I'm going to the neighbors' tomorrow for an early Christmas dinner before my radio show (7:30-8:30 pm PT, this week only -- with happiness researcher Dr. Sonja Lyubomirsky).
Anyway, their little girl made me a really cute little beaded heart and a card -- with the rather athee-menical message, "Happy Holidays." (I think her mom probably told her my origins are more eight days of oil than Santa on the roof.)
Whatever.
What counts are all the little hearts on the card, and the fact that it occurred to her to make me a little keepsake (to go with the interestingly braided yarn necklace she made me that's sitting on my desk...warming the cockles of my heart, whatever the hell cockles are).
Hmmm...mollusks.
Merry Christmas!







I'm not a big fan of Christmas but it's not hard to be friendly to people. Besides being with famiy, I like the season for the reminders about kindness, generosity and family.
Related: my wife gave me a book by by this writer back when we were first dating. I received it about as well as she did the Betsey Johnson top I bought her. Unless he has changed, e guy kinda sucks and/or is a totally self involved douche. Certainly he was in the book I tried to read.
Christopher at December 25, 2011 12:16 AM
eh, sounds like the guy had a horrible childhood, and had wonder well and truly beaten out of him.
I think of it simply... have you ever met someone who was just slightly melancholy... but who you would go to great lengths to cheer? didja notice that same person could make the universe sing when they smiled?
You acted out of yourself. Perhaps that person wasn't sad at all, but you wished to make them happy. You wished the best for them.
If you are especially lucky, they wish the best for you. Pretty soon, many people wish the best for each other, and things in the world seem better.
If it so happens that this well wishing happens to be around some religious festival that you don't believe in, so what? If everyone has that moment of happiness, isn't it good? Instead of worrying about delusional people, you could just accept their well wishes and move on.
I've known an atheist or two that just couldn't accept the well wishes from me... so I asked them if I was really acting any different... maybe slightly more expressive but similar. I guess I convinced them that there was no harm in my well wishes, because that is the way I am inside.
It's Christmas, and I wish you Amy, and everyone Merry Christmas, in addition, I wish you well no matter what you believe. Today and everyday.
SwissArmyD at December 25, 2011 1:25 AM
Pat Condell's recent commentary on the the intolerance of diversity* about the militant atheists complaining about a nativity scene in Texas. I'm pretty much of the opinion -- get over it.
I've been atheistic/agnostic since my early teens and have just been reinforcing the idea of being more secular year after year. I generally don't care about the public displays of the nativity, and all the rest.
I do stridently object when laws are based on religious principles such as same sex marriage or something as simple as liquor license changes because it is Sunday.
That being said; to all the believers
Jim P. at December 25, 2011 6:57 AM
Happy Holidays -- Blessings and Peace to Amy, Gregg, and everybody in the Advice Goddess world!
(Looking forward to Christmas Dinner tonight -- at a Korean Restaurant a few miles north of us. Much easier than cooking!)
Old RPM Daddy at December 25, 2011 7:33 AM
at a Korean Restaurant a few miles north of us.
If you've never done Korean before, I highly recommend bi bim bap (prononced bee bim bop). Every person I introduce it to goes face down over the bowl eating it. ;-)
Jim P. at December 25, 2011 7:44 AM
Thanks! I'm at my parents house with hubby and baby, and bro is here too. It's nice to be back in America, where the beggars are friendly! (Swiss beggars are assholes).
NicoleK at December 25, 2011 8:18 AM
Not really on topic, but the Lucy show video reminded me of what I think were about the funniest 12 minutes ever on television... back when you could dress like a Nazi and make fun of Hitler...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf6csGvNYQU
Eric at December 25, 2011 9:13 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/12/25/ease_up_unwad_y.html#comment-2874260">comment from NicoleKThanks! I'm at my parents house with hubby and baby, and bro is here too. It's nice to be back in America, where the beggars are friendly! (Swiss beggars are assholes).
Interesting on the beggars. To what do you attribute this?
Amy Alkon
at December 25, 2011 9:45 AM
As an atheist - I like Christmas. If you aren't religious, call it the Winter Solstice holiday, who cares? It's a pleasant tradition. I even enjoy the religious music that goes with it; I heard a lovely rendition of the Hallelujah Chorus yesterday.
Regarding nativity displays (or the lack thereof): if it's private property, which includes companies, then its a private choice. If it's private property, I would mildly object. Mildly, because it's just not something worth getting your panties in a wad over.
a_random_guy at December 25, 2011 11:16 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/12/25/ease_up_unwad_y.html#comment-2874361">comment from a_random_guyAs an atheist - I like Christmas. If you aren't religious, call it the Winter Solstice holiday,
Why? It's Christmas. Acknowledging that isn't admitting to believing in Jesus (as more than a kind of hippie with some nice ideas about how to treat people who lived a long time ago).
Amy Alkon
at December 25, 2011 11:18 AM
@NicoleK: That's odd - most "Swiss" beggars I see (and there aren't that many) are very clearly illegally here, and hence not Swiss. Even so, I've never run into anyone really rude - at worst, they walk up to you in the train station and ask if you can spare a fiver. Used to be they were happy with just one franc - inflation over the years, I suppose. Perhaps it's different in French-speaking Switzerland?
bradley13 at December 25, 2011 11:18 AM
Merry Christmas from a national treasure.
Also, probably the best short that Robert Smigel ever did.
Jim at December 25, 2011 11:20 AM
Amy: "...as more than a kind of hippie with some nice ideas about how to treat people..."
That's basically how Thomas Jefferson saw him. I'd never heard of the "Jefferson Bible" until, while web-cruising a few years ago, I came across a 2005 article by Erik Reese in Harper's Magazine called "Jesus Without The Miracles." (If you do a search using that phrase, it's at the first link.)
Reese writes:
Jim at December 25, 2011 12:03 PM
I wrote: As an atheist - I like Christmas. If you aren't religious, call it the Winter Solstice holiday,
Amy wrote: Why? It's Christmas.
I agree. I just meant that as an option for the Grinches in the world.
a_random_guy at December 25, 2011 12:11 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/12/25/ease_up_unwad_y.html#comment-2874471">comment from JimThat's basically how Thomas Jefferson saw him.
I think my mother, who is an amateur biblical scholar (but very knowledgable and very interesting in her thinking) for about 40 years characterized him that way to me. In the group she participates in weekly, going through the bible (basically as literature and social commentary), they discuss the history (what was going on at the time) pretty much in the way I'd discuss current stuff in the news on a radio show. These sessions are very interesting and I used to go with her sometimes when I was home. (Now, if I go to Detroit, I go with my man Gregg, who is there now after a little kissygoodbye from me last night and a good ball-grab just afterward from a guy at a TSA checkpoint in LAX Terminal 6.)
Amy Alkon
at December 25, 2011 12:13 PM
I think my mother . . . characterized him that way to me.
I think it's a great way to view him. It seems to me that so many Christians focus on Christ's supposed divinity while ignoring (or downplaying) the teachings that Jefferson emphasized.
I was raised Lutheran (in Minnesota) but moved away from that in my late teens. I don't care whether Jesus was or was not the "son of God." What I find important are those teachings of his, which are applicable to anyone. It's far more important to be loving, kind, compassionate, forgiving, generous and just -- whether you're a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Zoroastrian, etc. (or agnostic or atheist) -- than it is to "accept Jesus as your personal savior."
Jim at December 25, 2011 1:26 PM
I'm an atheist too, and my favorite carol is "Angels we have heard on high."
(And BJ and Cyn gave me a matted, framed rubbing of Phillip K. Dick's tombstone. How can you not love a holiday like this and friends like that?)
Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at December 25, 2011 4:17 PM
I prefer greensleeves, I know it isnt technically a carol, but they always play it around christmas for some reason
lujlp at December 25, 2011 4:30 PM
Lujip, they're playing "What Child is This?" which is a carol with the same tune as Greensleeves.
What child is this, that laid to rest, on Mary's lap is sleee-eee-ping?
I'm Wiccan and celebrate solstice but Christmas, too, as I'm culturally protestant (and technically a member of the church in Switzerland).
NicoleK at December 25, 2011 4:55 PM
Amy, it might be the cultural demographics of the beggars. Swiss beggars tend to be Roms, they are very aggressive and not friendly, American beggars tend to be African-American. Maybe it's because the American beggars need it more, so try harder to get repeat customers.
But there's also a cultural difference in that you can be friendly to street men in America, but in Europe they take friendliness as a come-on. So maybe beggars are less inclined to be friendly.
Most beggars I see in Switzerland are women. That could be it, too. Women aren't going to flirt with me for their coins.
NicoleK at December 25, 2011 4:58 PM
Brad, Lausanne is crawling with beggars these days, don't know why, but there seem to be more of them every time I go downtown. Out in the stix where I live there aren't any, of course.
NicoleK at December 25, 2011 5:00 PM
Amy, it might be the cultural demographics of the beggars. Swiss beggars tend to be Roms, they are very aggressive and not friendly,...
I'd been wondering about your earlier comment too, Nicole. I've dealt with Roma in both Paris and Rome and never found them to be overly aggressive except for one time in Paris, when a group of young kids wouldn't leave us alone. It sounds like they're worse in Switzerland (or else I just got lucky with my experiences.)
Where are you in Switzerland? The only large Swiss city I've been to is Zurich, and that was just passing through on my way to the Lauterbrunnen Valley (I've been to Lauterbrunnen twice and Gimmelwald once.) On the Lauterbrunnen & Gimmelwald trip, we stayed overnight in Lugano on our way to Vernazza and I loved Lugano. Incredibly beautiful setting.
Jim at December 25, 2011 5:18 PM
My nearest towns are Lausanne and Yverdon. I should mitigate my statement, as I seem to have given you the impression they are worse than they actually are. "Aggressive" as in giving me mean looks, narrowing eyes, etc. They weren't threatening me with violence or following, they were just glaring at me, using nasty tones of voices, etc. Contrast that to American beggars who smile and compliment me.
Many of the beggars just sit there. I've just had a couple annoying experiences.
NicoleK at December 26, 2011 5:06 AM
Everyone loves Lugano, its Switzerland and Italy combined!
NicoleK at December 26, 2011 5:06 AM
I'm Wiccan and celebrate solstice but Christmas, too, as I'm culturally protestant (and technically a member of the church in Switzerland).
I'm not specifically Wiccan, I just consider myself a hedge witch, but I celebrate the solstice and Christmas, too, and I run around wishing everyone a "Cool Yule" because I can. I so much enjoy it when everyone is being kind to everyone else!
Flynne at December 26, 2011 10:12 AM
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