Well Romney family just came out that Mitt never really wanted to be president, but his love of God forced him to.

Assuming thats true Romney would not have made a better president than Obama

Don't know about that Lujlp, There is something fishy about anyone who actually wants to be president. My husband is a reluctant supervisor, but he is also a very good one.

The gay marriage issue is not even on my radar as far as a top ten problem in the US.
The social issues are just a distraction for both the dems and the repubs.

The only important thing is that we are out of money.

"he blames the Republican party for fostering a corrosive culture"

That's funny, coming from Newt - the man who pushed the GOP into the vilify-the-moderates win-at-any-cost model.

Gingrich is the reason the mainstream Republicans are eaten by their own party.

Oh, I dunno. There's not much to by cynical here. According to what you've written, Ol' Newt is saying, "We need to accept this. It's a political necessity.

Seems like that's pretty honest, really.

> You know it's obvious when even Newt Gingrich
> recognizes that gays should be allowed to
> marry the one person of their choice --

You fuckers have certainly won the language war on this one... You completely overhaul an ancient institution through petty word games in only as many years as Sesame Street has been counting to ten, and then toss it around with these offhand, FUCKBALL, anyone-can-see-it expressions, as if the world were never any different, and there had always been two moons in the sky:

"Should be allowed(!) to marry the one person(!) of their choice...."

If it didn't mean bad things for kids, it would be merely despicable. You are not nice people.

Newt is nonetheless and idiot prick.

Say, what you want about Newt. I wish he was facing off against Obama and the dems over the budget, rather than Boehner.

Say, what you want about Newt. I wish he was facing off against Obama and the dems over the budget, rather than Boehner. -- Isab at December 24, 2012 12:44 PM

Or anyone with a decent pair of testicles or ovaries.

You fuckers have certainly won the language war on this one… -- Crid [CridComment at gmail] at December 24, 2012 12:14 PM

I actually broke this down in a blog entry several months ago. The shorthand version:

Both the left and the right are guilty of deception. The various legislatures have/had always used the word "marriage" instead of the proper term "civil union" when describing the pre-done civil contract between two people.

But it accounted for the standard that was the same contract in the 1700's for both the Church and civil authorities.

The left (GLBT movement) has insisted on the word "marriage". The right still associates the the civil union and marriage as the equivalent thing.

This is caused by the moral standards of the various religious institutions, including the Roman Catholic church that will not grant a divorce, but will grant an annulment. I know of a woman who is, very technically, guilty of polygamy. She divorced her husband in the courts, but has never sought a divorce or annulment by the RC Church.

I also know of opposite sex couples that have been married in a church, but have not filed for the civil license. (Mostly for financial reasons.)

Until either side wants to disavow the simple word marriage as a legal term and replace it with civil union or civil marriage for the secular portion as opposed to the non-secular word "marriage" no one can claim the high ground.

Wrong side of history on immigration? If we just open up and let anyone from any 3rd world shithole come over that wants to 1) welfare will cease to exist (fine with me, but probably not to most who are pro-all-immigration) and 2) the US will shortly become a 3rd world shithole. We have standards for a reason. Keeping others out of our country isn't wrong-just about every country in the world does it.

> I wish he was facing off against Obama and the
> dems over the budget, rather than Boehner.

I hear you, but that's kind of the point: After his prattle about "giving laptops" to schoolchildren in one decade and to the homeless in the next, he'd ceded any moral authority to speak for well-bounded government service or even mere conservative principle. Boyfriend was and is part of problem, and not in small ways.

The terraced wretchedness of this sentence fragment is going to stay with me for a long, long time:

You know it's obvious when even Newt Gingrich recognizes that gays should be allowed to marry the one person of their choice --

...As if when you say "the one person of their choice" with just the right verve and unctuousness, people will think it sounds old-time and wise — like it came from scripture or the Magna Carta or something — and they won't realize you pulled it out of a (reeking) nearby asshole.

Jesus Christ.

Crid,

The Republican Party is fucked up (and the Tea Party members) because they can't shut their mouths on social issues. They don't realize how limited the Constitution is.

I'm going to give a list. I want you to find it in the U.S. Contstitution that is a federal issue:

• marriage
• pot laws
• cocaine laws
• alcohol issues
• the NTSB
• the federal highway system
• the EPA
• the Department of Education
• the Department of Education
• the Center for Disease Control
• FEMA
• FDA

That is a limited list of how extra-Constitutional the federal government is, let alone the SSI/SSDI/Medicare programs.

So until you can say you have fought all these programs with your your congress critters -- please stop whining.

Well, I'm a lifelong registered Democrat, and don't feel responsible for trying to solve all their problems either.

It feels like there's been a huge change in American attitudes just in my lifetime. During the Cold War, there seemed to be a broad recognition that we were counting on government for more than we'd like because it was a special time in the history of free people. And now, even after the fuckups of the wars and the regulation/corruptions of Wall Street, everyone in the world believes in the United States government as the one true religion.

We shouldn't HAVE to fight with Congressmen... That's the point. They should be weak enough, and broadly distrusted enough, so as not to pose a threat... Because we're Americans, and we get good shit done in spite of them.

Don't know about that Lujlp,

Look I dont know if the statment is true or not, but if he truly felt he was constrained to do it "for god" then no matter his fiscal policy he wouldnt have been better for america

I cant tell you how many mormons belive that america will collapse and the mormon church will be given control of the government and military.

Romney never struck me as a White Horser.

You wouldnt believe how many moromns though Bush was the anti christ, GHW Bush. Then they though Clinton was the anti christ, cause everyone knew Jebus was coming back at 0:00:01 January first 2000, then they though that Bush jr was the antichrist cause he was carismatic and and starting the war that would turn into a showdown between the muslims and christians, and everyone knew Jebus was ACCTUALLY born in like 3 or 4 AD

Like I said, Romney didnt strike me as a true believer. Hell I voted for him, not that it mattered living in AZ; but if he was . . . not that armchair quarterbacking parrallel histories ever solves anything

And to all a good night.

They kid's are more likely to get an Ipod, and they know it. Even a pony is less threatening to Mom's state-funded ego.

But with two mommies? Fuggedaboudit.....

Well, I'm a lifelong registered Democrat, and don't feel responsible for trying to solve all their problems either. -- Crid [Cridcomment at Gmail] at December 24, 2012 8:30 PM

Then you admit you are a wimp? You need to fight for a limited government as much as a truly informed Tea Partier.

We, as a general U.S. citizen, need to tell the federal government to go fuck off. And our state governments need to know that we are watching them as well.

Obamacare is socialism squared. Every government needs to know that they can go to hell. I am an individual. I am responsible for myself and to myself. I have a basic responsibility to the community I live in. But I have no responsibility to make sure that Abdul in Egypt has a good life.

Crid -- you don't have that responsibility either.

This is a large discussion. But if you personalize it you get to reality.