Vegan Cookies And Ridiculous Dietary Asceticism: Just Eat The Brownie, Dude!
Yesterday, at my favorite cafe, this guy in line in front of me picked up one of those round, thick vegan cookie things (a single cookie, plastic-wrapped) that look like they are slightly less appealing to eat than a big sheet of particleboard.
I asked him if he'd eaten it before. He said he hadn't but was weighing getting it. I told him he'd actually be better off getting the brownie -- which also had carbs and sugar but at least he'd probably really, really enjoy eating it.
He blinked at me: Actually, he told me, this (vegan hockey puck) has oats and rice sugar!
Understanding that he hadn't asked me for an analysis, I just smiled a little, thinking to myself, "Idiot!" It's carbs and sugar and it's going to make your blood sugar leap.
Then I realized that "idiot" wasn't quite fair, since the ordinary person (who doesn't read a lot of science or, especially dietary science) has no way to know that they've been sold a bill of goods on diet by both the government (with the utterly unhealthy food pyramid and more recent food plate) and by much of the medical establishment.
Per Gary Taubes' "Good Calories, Bad Calories," which is basically a 600-page meta-analysis (study of studies), it is carbs -- sugar, flour, starchy vegetables like potatoes, apple juice and ingredients like oats -- that cause the insulin secretion that puts on fat. And makes you unhealthy in a variety of ways.
(For an easier read by Taubes, pick up "Why We Get Fat.")







The only reason I found out I'm allergic to gluten is cuz of you Amy. I decided to buy Protein Power and did the diet. Wow, never felt so amazing. Turns out wheat was fucking me over badly.
I wonder how many people are allergic to wheat gluten or high fructose corn syrup and don't know it.
Ppen at January 27, 2013 3:43 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/01/27/ridiculous_diet.html#comment-3582051">comment from PpenLove that. Link to also terrific (and far more advice-y) Protein Power, and by the way, Dr. Michael Eades (one of the authors, with his wife Dr. Mary Dan Eades), has an extremely helpful blog at http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/
Amy Alkon
at January 27, 2013 6:19 AM
I recently had to go doctor shopping after finding out I was pregnant, since hubby and I had moved after the last baby was born.
I knew I had found "the one" when he told me to avoid carbs, and eat plenty of fat.
He also isn't making me take a prenatal vitamin, since I eat plenty of red meat, and my iron levels are fine. My normal daily multivitamin, plus fish oil and 1000 IU of D are good enough, as long as I eat spinach and kale (which I already do, thank you Amy) so that I get enough folic acid.
Jazzhands at January 27, 2013 8:11 AM
My fiance recently had a heart attack and they have no idea what caused it as he has no heart disease. They decided to blame cholesterol for it and put him on statins despite his cholesterol being "excellent" per the cardiologist and him having no plaques in his arteries either. He had something cause his LAD artery to collapse inward and they put in a stent. He's fine know. They sent him home with a packet on a "healthy" cardiac diet and to a dietician (whom I got into a big argument over her bullshit diet with no scientifically supporting evidence). He was told to eat no more than 1000 mg of salt per day, very low fat, avoid all meat but fish, and to eat a ton of grains, soy, and fruits. To his credit, he's not following this diet, but is finally eating well consistently. He now eats eggs and meat for breakfast every morning, lunch is a chef salad with spinach or a caesar salad, and dinner is some sort of meat (he's on a salmon kick right now) and veggies. And his "well-meaning" family members such as his mother tell him he's eating all wrong because her brother and father both had some sort of congenital heart defect and what DF eats is not what they were told to eat. I hate stupid people who are unwilling to listen to science or anything contrary to their views because it's not what their doctor told them and it goes against the accepted norm.
BunnyGirl at January 27, 2013 10:03 AM
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Crid [CridComment at gmail] at January 27, 2013 10:46 AM
O/T: Let's face it, sometimes those 5SF's are boring... They just drag on and on....
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at January 27, 2013 10:51 AM
Vegans are vegans for ethical reasons, not health reasons, when it comes down to it. The regular brownie probably has eggs and milk in it, coming from animals whose treatment is not in sync with the vegans ethics. No one is a vegan because they don't like the way brownies taste.
Vegan cookies usually have the same amount of fat as regular cookies, they use margarine or vegetable oils.
And I've had plenty of vegan cookies that were indistinguishable from regular ones. Vegan brownies are easy, too. What's hard to make is things like vanilla white cake, because the flavor is subtle and gets overpowered by whatever you are replacing the eggs with. That and custardy things like lemon bars. My brother was vegan for 5 years so I learned a lot. I defy anyone to eat my vegan CC cookies and not be delighted with them.
NicoleK at January 27, 2013 10:59 AM
Bunnygirl... on what planet are vegans going with the accepted norm? Vega?
NicoleK at January 27, 2013 11:00 AM
Bunnygirl- Best wishes.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at January 27, 2013 12:57 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/01/27/ridiculous_diet.html#comment-3582522">comment from NicoleKVegans are vegans for ethical reasons, not health reasons, when it comes down to it.
Well, this guy was under the impression that the particleboard vegan "cookie" was healthier than a brownie.
If you eat a brownie, you had this wonderful, rich, sensual, chocolate-chippy (in that case) thing and that's pretty satisfying. It's a foodgasm, when they're really good.
If you eat the vegan thing, chances are you'll want to keep eating because you won't feel satisfied.
I grew up eating an ascetic diet. My mom meant well, but my little sister and I both had disordered eating because of it. Now that I eat plenty of fat, I get hungry sometimes, but never the hungry I used to feel when I ate carbs, and certainly, low-fat.
Amy Alkon
at January 27, 2013 1:16 PM
My sister was a vegan for health reasons. Personally, I don't think having an eating disorder is healthy.
Also Mighty-O vegan donuts are quite good.
Sosij at January 27, 2013 1:18 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/01/27/ridiculous_diet.html#comment-3582756">comment from SosijMy sister was a vegan for health reasons.
Your sister was sadly -- and unhealthily -- mistaken. Just one of many examples (Kresser reference within):
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/04/18/veganism_how_to.html
Amy Alkon
at January 27, 2013 4:19 PM
If you're going to eat brownies, I recommend these:
http://www.elanaspantry.com/espresso-fudge-brownies/#comments
They are (comparatively) high protein. Instead of "vegan shortening," use an equal amount of unrefined coconut oil.
I began using unrefined coconut oil after my mother lived through a heart attack caused by an arterial dissection. She had no arterial plaque, healthy cholesterol, low heart rate and low blood pressure. I read somewhere that the medium chain triglycerides help keep arteries supple.
I use coconut milk beverage in my coffee, and after Amy's experience with coconut oil and migraine headaches, I keep macaroons handy, too.
And now I need brownies with my red wine. Thank you.
Michelle at January 27, 2013 5:08 PM
"If you eat a brownie, you had this wonderful, rich, sensual, chocolate-chippy (in that case) thing and that's pretty satisfying. It's a foodgasm, when they're really good."
Amen. Not something to be done everyday; but, if I'm going to eat something "bad." Then, I'll make sure that it is worth it. Otherwise, why bother?
Charles at January 27, 2013 7:50 PM
Thanks Crid!
NicoleK, I wasn't stating veganism was normal, although around where I live it's everywhere! I was more commenting on the fact that people are making choices on what they are told is healthy even when it's not true just because the false healthy is considered the accepted norm. I'm guessing he chose the vegan cookie because oats and rice sugar are reportedly "healthy" where the chocolate and regular sugar are "bad" for you.
BunnyGirl at January 27, 2013 8:55 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/01/27/ridiculous_diet.html#comment-3583114">comment from Charlesif I'm going to eat something "bad." Then, I'll make sure that it is worth it. Otherwise, why bother?
Exactly. I eat dessert every couple weeks. It has to be something good. Airplane dessert (when Gregg sometimes gets us upgraded to biz class enroute to Detroit)? I'll pass.
Amy Alkon
at January 27, 2013 9:24 PM
"I was more commenting on the fact that people are making choices on what they are told is healthy even when it's not true just because the false healthy is considered the accepted norm. I'm guessing he chose the vegan cookie because oats and rice sugar are reportedly 'healthy' where the chocolate and regular sugar are 'bad' for you. "
Exactly. It illustrates the extent to which Western culture has been overrun with superstition and magical thinking.
Cousin Dave at January 28, 2013 8:43 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/01/27/ridiculous_diet.html#comment-3584028">comment from Cousin DaveIt illustrates the extent to which Western culture has been overrun with superstition and magical thinking.
The lack of understanding of human behavior -- when there are a plethora of books out that make research in this area accessible to ordinary people (the type of books I feature on my radio show) -- is just mind-blowing.
Eating a brownie from time to time will probably keep you from fighting to not eat a brownie all the time, which taxes your self-control.
Amy Alkon
at January 28, 2013 9:10 AM
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