I mean, if South Korea wanted to handle this all on its own, that'd be faboo.
> How would you like it if Mexico and China do
> annual joint military exercise right below
> our southern border?
A world in which both (both!) had the wherewithal to do so would be so different from our own that I can't imagine. China doesn't do blue-water, and Mexico....
Life is not childhood, OK? International relations is not about schoolyard-bully resentment.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at March 26, 2013 2:57 PM
"International relations is not about schoolyard-bully resentment."
Really?
Do you think there might be one unified Korea instead of South and North Korea if U.S. and Soviet Union acted like an adult after WWII?
Do you think there was a Korean War if two super powers acted like an adult and gave a chance to Koreans to form one government instead of two competing governments, which catered to bullies?
Do you think North Koreans would develop nuclear bombs if U.S. gave peace treaty, which North wanted?
Do you think North Koreans would get out of starvation if U.S. lifted trade embargo?
How is this any different from my schoolyard bullies, who threatened to break my nose?
chang
at March 26, 2013 3:51 PM
> Do you think there might be one unified Korea
> instead of South and North Korea if U.S. and
> Soviet Union acted like an adult after WWII?
If you sincerely, sincerely believe that it was a failure of maturity that defended the South in midcentury, and integrated her into the fantastic wealth she enjoys today, when her children are nourished to grow six inches taller than their cousins twenty clicks to the north, then it's difficult to regard you as a thoughtful student of events.
> my schoolyard bullies, who threatened
> to break my nose?
Did they ever succeed? Just curious.
And again, after fifty years of this, it's totes OK with me if Pyongyang wants to take the lead in defending itself from the neighbor. This has been going on my whole life, and it would be better if the United States could turn its attention to other projects... And perhaps to more grateful people.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at March 26, 2013 4:08 PM
I said Pyongyang but meant Seoul. See my heart belongs to Riyadh now... And Tripoli....
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at March 26, 2013 4:08 PM
Oh, Dear fertile young sisters, I love you as never before.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at March 26, 2013 4:20 PM
"If you sincerely, sincerely believe that it was a failure of maturity that defended the South in midcentury,"
You are totally missing the point.
If the two bullies did not divide the Korea into two, the South Korea did not need to defend herself from the North to begin with.
"This has been going on my whole life, and it would be better if the United States could turn its attention to other projects... And perhaps to more grateful people."
It is like giving your girlfriend herpes, then give her money to see a doctor for it. Then, you bitch about it because she forgot to say thank you when you give her some money.
Why the hell did you divide one country into half to begin with?
The Unified Korea could have been the third largest economy in the world right now.
"Did they ever succeed? Just curious."
Yes, they broke my nose. But I never kissed their fat asses.
chang
at March 26, 2013 5:07 PM
> If the two bullies did not divide the
> Korea into two
Then perhaps both halves would be living like the North.
> Why the hell did you divide one country into
> half to begin with?
Because we figured half live in liberty was better than none.
And lose the 'tude, Scooter, this was before I was born. This has herpes on it, and you didn't get them from the United States. We're the condom guys.
> The Unified Korea could have been the third
> largest economy in the world right now.
If only the South had had the muscle to persevere.
Your point isn't missed, it's mistaken.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at March 26, 2013 5:22 PM
"Then perhaps both halves would be living like the North."
Perhaps. But that was the risk Koreans were willing to take in 1945. They were robbed of that right for the entire country to live like South or North. Two bullies took away that right.
It is like you are telling a Mountain Everest climber to stop climbing in the middle because you might die if you try to reach the top. Isn't that a risk worth taking?
"Because we figured half live in liberty was better than none."
I doubt it. It was more like U.S. needed a landing place to invade China or Russia if necessary.
Let's not pretend it was all about love and caring for Korean people. There was a lot of butt fucking involved.
"We're the condom guys."
Then, act like one. Give North Koreans some condoms. Give them peace treaty they wanted. Lift the trade embargo. Then, let's see if they still act like they are paranoid about U.S.
chang
at March 26, 2013 6:22 PM
> But that was the risk Koreans were willing
> to take in 1945.
The rest of us weren't ready to take this risk, and as yet another generation of sadistic dictator continues to starve his Northern countrymen and threaten everyone else on the planet with annihilation, independent Korean fortitude doesn't look like a good wager even retroactively.
God Bless the United States of America.
Crid [CridComment at gmail]
at March 26, 2013 6:31 PM
The U.S. asked for a waiver in the command detonation landmines left in the DMZ between the SK/NK DMZ. The NK troops were about 500 NK troops to 1 SK troop. Even with U.S. forces it would be about 375 to 1. But the U.N. declared the U.S. illegal. BTW, what is the difference between an I.E.D. and a landmine?
I was personally responsible for the lockout of all targets within a 10 mile range of the NK/Chinese border. That is because the Chinese threatened to attack SK/US forces that attacked in that area. What did NK do? They wouldn't build any military factories in that area, would they?
You need to get a grip of reality. I try not to go after a person. But in this case you need several injections of reality.
Mebbe.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 25, 2013 11:46 PM
Norks 'shopping.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 1:17 PM
Guileless.
Anger.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 1:28 PM
Cargo Cult
There is a religion called "Cargo Cult" started by some tribes in Pacific islands after they watched Japanese or American pilots.
How are they any different from us worshiping Jesus on this Easter?
http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Cargo-Cults-Then-and-Now
chang at March 26, 2013 2:01 PM
Crid,
Would you leave paranoid North Koreans alone?
How would you like it if Mexico and China do annual joint military exercise right below our southern border?
chang at March 26, 2013 2:21 PM
> How are they any different from us worshiping
> Jesus on this Easter?
"Us?" You're Christian? Barnett said something about that.
> Would you leave paranoid North Koreans alone?
I might if they'd let me.
I mean, if South Korea wanted to handle this all on its own, that'd be faboo.
> How would you like it if Mexico and China do
> annual joint military exercise right below
> our southern border?
A world in which both (both!) had the wherewithal to do so would be so different from our own that I can't imagine. China doesn't do blue-water, and Mexico....
Life is not childhood, OK? International relations is not about schoolyard-bully resentment.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 2:57 PM
"International relations is not about schoolyard-bully resentment."
Really?
Do you think there might be one unified Korea instead of South and North Korea if U.S. and Soviet Union acted like an adult after WWII?
Do you think there was a Korean War if two super powers acted like an adult and gave a chance to Koreans to form one government instead of two competing governments, which catered to bullies?
Do you think North Koreans would develop nuclear bombs if U.S. gave peace treaty, which North wanted?
Do you think North Koreans would get out of starvation if U.S. lifted trade embargo?
How is this any different from my schoolyard bullies, who threatened to break my nose?
chang at March 26, 2013 3:51 PM
> Do you think there might be one unified Korea
> instead of South and North Korea if U.S. and
> Soviet Union acted like an adult after WWII?
If you sincerely, sincerely believe that it was a failure of maturity that defended the South in midcentury, and integrated her into the fantastic wealth she enjoys today, when her children are nourished to grow six inches taller than their cousins twenty clicks to the north, then it's difficult to regard you as a thoughtful student of events.
> my schoolyard bullies, who threatened
> to break my nose?
Did they ever succeed? Just curious.
And again, after fifty years of this, it's totes OK with me if Pyongyang wants to take the lead in defending itself from the neighbor. This has been going on my whole life, and it would be better if the United States could turn its attention to other projects... And perhaps to more grateful people.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 4:08 PM
I said Pyongyang but meant Seoul. See my heart belongs to Riyadh now... And Tripoli....
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 4:08 PM
Oh, Dear fertile young sisters, I love you as never before.
Come here to me. Anytime!
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 4:20 PM
"If you sincerely, sincerely believe that it was a failure of maturity that defended the South in midcentury,"
You are totally missing the point.
If the two bullies did not divide the Korea into two, the South Korea did not need to defend herself from the North to begin with.
"This has been going on my whole life, and it would be better if the United States could turn its attention to other projects... And perhaps to more grateful people."
It is like giving your girlfriend herpes, then give her money to see a doctor for it. Then, you bitch about it because she forgot to say thank you when you give her some money.
Why the hell did you divide one country into half to begin with?
The Unified Korea could have been the third largest economy in the world right now.
"Did they ever succeed? Just curious."
Yes, they broke my nose. But I never kissed their fat asses.
chang at March 26, 2013 5:07 PM
> If the two bullies did not divide the
> Korea into two
Then perhaps both halves would be living like the North.
> Why the hell did you divide one country into
> half to begin with?
Because we figured half live in liberty was better than none.
And lose the 'tude, Scooter, this was before I was born. This has herpes on it, and you didn't get them from the United States. We're the condom guys.
> The Unified Korea could have been the third
> largest economy in the world right now.
If only the South had had the muscle to persevere.
Your point isn't missed, it's mistaken.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 5:22 PM
"Then perhaps both halves would be living like the North."
Perhaps. But that was the risk Koreans were willing to take in 1945. They were robbed of that right for the entire country to live like South or North. Two bullies took away that right.
It is like you are telling a Mountain Everest climber to stop climbing in the middle because you might die if you try to reach the top. Isn't that a risk worth taking?
"Because we figured half live in liberty was better than none."
I doubt it. It was more like U.S. needed a landing place to invade China or Russia if necessary.
Let's not pretend it was all about love and caring for Korean people. There was a lot of butt fucking involved.
"We're the condom guys."
Then, act like one. Give North Koreans some condoms. Give them peace treaty they wanted. Lift the trade embargo. Then, let's see if they still act like they are paranoid about U.S.
chang at March 26, 2013 6:22 PM
> But that was the risk Koreans were willing
> to take in 1945.
The rest of us weren't ready to take this risk, and as yet another generation of sadistic dictator continues to starve his Northern countrymen and threaten everyone else on the planet with annihilation, independent Korean fortitude doesn't look like a good wager even retroactively.
God Bless the United States of America.
Crid [CridComment at gmail] at March 26, 2013 6:31 PM
Chang,
You have a beautiful idea. But did you ever hear about Operation Paul Bunyan?
How about the tunnels?
These ideas were all South Korea's, right?
The U.S. asked for a waiver in the command detonation landmines left in the DMZ between the SK/NK DMZ. The NK troops were about 500 NK troops to 1 SK troop. Even with U.S. forces it would be about 375 to 1. But the U.N. declared the U.S. illegal. BTW, what is the difference between an I.E.D. and a landmine?
I was personally responsible for the lockout of all targets within a 10 mile range of the NK/Chinese border. That is because the Chinese threatened to attack SK/US forces that attacked in that area. What did NK do? They wouldn't build any military factories in that area, would they?
You need to get a grip of reality. I try not to go after a person. But in this case you need several injections of reality.
Someone Else at March 26, 2013 10:09 PM
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