Did you read the link? The sex slave lady produced a very angry response from fellow kuwaitis. As one would hope! Shes obviously insane even by their standards

> Americans are dying in Afghanistan for this?

Afghanistan has nothing to offer... No natural resources and no social ones. Sometimes they grow heroin or opium or whatever you grow for that, but that's it.

If / when we pull out, two things will happen. (1.) Women's lives will get even worse. (2.) Bad guys will use it as a base of operations.

So, like, it would be great to hear some suggestions. Specifically. On what we should do. About Afghanistan.

What we should have done is go in, killed the government and all the Al Qaeda and Taliban that we could find. Then left.

"Specifically."

ROE - kill bad guys with prejudice. Ruthless, piss on corpse, decorate with bacon and porno cards type of prejudice.

Interesting approach to international affairs! We're going to bear those suggestions in mind, boys, and thanks for taking the matter seriously.

So that commander thinks his soldiers "need" to abuse little boys to avoid raping their grandmothers? What. The. Fuck.

Do they not have hands? Why can't they just masturbate like normal people? Or fuck each other? And even if they don't have any sex at all for a time, will it kill them? Will their puny little nutsacks explode?

No wonder they make their women cover themselves up - these bastards have less self-control than your average hound dog.

What we should have done? Used dasiycutters on their five largest cities when they refused to capitulate, sent in the marines with orders to shoot anything that shot at them and ignore building deemed non combat under the Geneva Conventions (and used the air force to level them and the two surrounding square miles every time they broke the conventions)

Then we should have left them in the rubble to tr and stitch their lives back together with the warning that the next time we just nuke them from the other side of the planet.

As for what we should do now? Take all the equipment too big/small to make it worth wile to bring back and put it in a pile in the middle of Bagram, pull out all non essental non coms, and all combat troops stationed out side of Bagram. Fly out the rest in one go with the Airforce providing cover, blow up the equpiment we left behind on our way out. Announce to the world the Bush and Obama fucked up the hanndleing of the Afganistan situation and warn anyone who attempt to use it to foster terrorism on the US or its Allies will not be invaded, they will be carpet bombed

Thats what we should do

There are some pathetic men on here.

"If / when we pull out, two things will happen. (1.) Women's lives will get even worse..."

No need to wait for a pull out, Afghans are busy sending their women & girls back to hell already. There was an uproar in the Afghan Parliament yesterday. Until now, even the most basic women's rights rested entirely on Presidential decrees, rather than on laws passed by Parliament. A few brave souls wanted these basic rights to be enshrined in legislation, so they introduced a bill that would ban child marriage and forced marriage, outlaw the ancient custom of selling women & girls into slavery to settle tribal disputes, make domestic violence a crime, and end the prosecution of rape victims for adultery & fornication. This bill was thrown out of Parliament by furious men who declared it a crime against Islam:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/18/bid-to-protect-womens-rights-is-against-islamic-law-afghan-lawmakers-argue-in-blocking-legislation/

Afghanistan today is a place where 50 year old mullahs marry 8 year old girls and rape & murder them with impunity:

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/05/18/the-eight-year-old-girl-who-didnt-make-it-past-her-wedding-night/

The occupation of Japan was a great & lasting success because General MacArthur laid down the law, because he made equal citizenship for women a pillar of his blueprint for a New Japan, and because he took no nonsense from anyone until that equal citizenship and the other elements of his vision were enshrined into law. Imagine if, 13 years after the surrender, the most basic rights of Japanese women & girls rested entirely on something as whimsical as an Emperor's decree. Imagine if American authorities back then had shown the same deference to the Japanese militarists as American authorities have shown to the goatfucking barbarians in Afghanistan. The occupation would have been a catastrophic failure.

> The occupation of Japan was a great & lasting
> success because General MacArthur laid down
> the law

Nopers, Nelly... The occupation of Japan was a great & lasting success because the defeated nation was nonetheless a modern industrial power, with centuries of tradition in comity, governance, diplomacy, transport, finance, incorporation, law, literacy, education and craftsmanship. The Japanese had been resourcefully outperforming the expectations of their modest archipelago for tens of thousands of years —and humbling those on similar terrain nearby— for a very, very long time.

Afghanistan got nuthin' but warlords. And a few poppies.



When Americans think (against all evidence) that the deployment of our global power is all about bloodthirsty ass-kicking, then I'm all, like, Sheesh!

When OTHER nations think that, then I'm all, like, Jeez!

Extra longdash. I'm sick about it!



You guys didn't seem to hear the question. Lotsa angry daydreams here, not many ideas on moving the ball forward.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid there is little that can be done in Afghanistan as long as that country has a 28% literacy rate (cia.gov). When I looked that up just now, I was surprised it was so high. So there's some progress anyway.

I love the nonsense some are saying along the lines of, "bomb them into the stone age". These people either haven't been to Afghanistan or believe that somehow bombs could advance a society hundred of years beyond where they already are.
"Used dasiycutters on their five largest cities " HA! There is little we could do to Afghanistan in terms of malice that they aren't already doing to themselves -- and more efficiently.

> I was surprised it was so high.

Verily.

> little we could do to Afghanistan in terms of
> malice that they aren't already doing

Zackly.

> little we could do to Afghanistan in terms of
> malice that they aren't already doing

Zackly.

O ye of little (meaning none) actual experience in such manners.

What ROE do you girls suggest would work better than mine?

Do you boys not know that war is hell?

"When Americans think (against all evidence) that the deployment of our global power is all about bloodthirsty ass-kicking, then I'm all, like, Sheesh!"

You left out a lot of words that may have made your opinion meaningful.

Evidently you are not including our military in the "global power" of which you speak. Our military is all about bloodthirsty ass-kicking. That's ok with me. Don't send young men trained to kill to do jobs other than killing. I am a stay at home guy (militarily) when we let politicians set our ROE.

> Our military is all about bloodthirsty
> ass-kicking.

Our foreign policy, and our humanity, is not. No one in this thread decreed that our posture towards Afghanistan needed to be military... Certainly not our hostess, who's rightly exhausted by the maiming of soldiers in a war built from things besides battle.

> Don't send young men trained to kill to do jobs
> other than killing.

Go watch some Barnett.

Can I say that often enough? Apparently not. Know this! There are voices in government and the private sector, mundane ones, offering thoughtful suggestions about how this needs to go.

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Look, mister, these responses aren't just inexcusably VIOLENT, though they're certainly that...

They're STUPID... Droolingly, pants-down, I'm-embarassed-for-you stupid. They have nothing to do with meaningful analysis of what happens when cultures collide. They show no awareness of the differences between people, which is (I might guess) what you intend to celebrate.

Well, I personally have always admired the spaces between people. OK? Mr. Machozoid? I *git* it. I hate others, too!

☺

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Totes!

But the genius that will carry us out of this nightmare planet is not contained within one skull, and certainly not within a Western one... And I've inspected a number of the best with my own eyes.

If you're old enough to drive, get with the program. Civilization is NOT about mass murder.

Keep your menses to yourself.

Eyes and ears

And Jesus Fuck on a Stick, who do you think SHOULD set our ROE?

"> Our military is all about bloodthirsty
> ass-kicking.

Our foreign policy, and our humanity, is not. No one in this thread decreed that our posture towards Afghanistan needed to be military..."

Oh, no one? I'm just an old war horse. I thought you meant the military when you said above at 12:13am "If / when we pull out," I guess you were talking about something other than the military. I get so confused by you sometimes. I just don't always get your point. Who is the "we" that if and when will be pulling out?

I watched much of Barnett - I'm limited as to time, first by HughesNet and now Verizon. I don't recall him saying that it was proper to use the military for something other than killing and breaking things.

"Civilization is NOT about mass murder."

Are you talking to me? I did not say that, ever.

"Keep your menses to yourself."

Dude, did I hurt your feelings?

"And Jesus Fuck on a Stick, who do you think SHOULD set our ROE?"

The military. Jebus, I thought that was obvious. We really are having a failure to communicate.

welcome to the United States, Pilgrim, where the military does what it's fucking well told to do. This is one of the innovations the United States brought to the game. If this offends you, take your magnificent military skills somewhere else... you won't be missed.

There's no corner of this globe where you can't find soldiers who are ready to kill the people they want to kill when they want to kill them.

That's not really what the military service of the United States is about.

It is always interesting to listen to War experts who know nothing of combat and nothing of sending their children into battle but only the children of others.

"you won't be missed."

You are wrong, so very wrong. We will be missed. But not by you as you are never allowed to be wrong.

"That's not really what the military service of the United States is about."

Did you learn that from a movie or tv?

yes yes yes, if only the whole world were a boot camp. That'd be great.

yes yes yes, if only the whole world were a boot camp. That'd be great.

Look, mister, these responses aren't just inexcusably VIOLENT, though they're certainly that...

They're STUPID... Droolingly, pants-down, I'm-embarassed-for-you stupid. They have nothing to do with meaningful analysis of what happens when cultures collide. They show no awareness of the differences between people, which is (I might guess) what you intend to celebrate.

Yep. C'mon, people, there is plenty of empirical evidence to show how well the "bomb them back to the stone age" approach works for ending hostilities. And the idea that killing all the bad guys will work presupposes that "bad guys" are a fixed quantity.

"Yep. C'mon, people, there is plenty of empirical evidence to show how well the "bomb them back to the stone age" approach works for ending hostilities. And the idea that killing all the bad guys will work presupposes that "bad guys" are a fixed quantity."

You talkin to me? If you are, you are way off base, like Crid. I do not have the philosophy that seems to give you the vapors. If you think I do please quote me.

"yes yes yes, if only the whole world were a boot camp. That'd be great."

That sure was a senseless post - doing it twice does make it any better.

The solution is so obvious!

We just send all the feminists with a one-way ticket from the U.S. to Afghanistan. I'm sure they would get it all sorted out in short order.

> Who is the "we" that if and when will be
> pulling out?

The United States of America. I'm not sure how much clearer that can be for you.

Idiots cross international borders to to join citizens coming to this profoundly feminine blog* and bay for blood as the solution to the problems in Afghanistan. I think that's ludicrous.

And it the worst possible moment to say that the military ought to be on a longer leash.

* Nothing personal, Amy. Just sayin'. 

"and thanks for taking the matter seriously."

From you, really?

We're currently in the process of training them. It's not going well.

Suggestion: Pull out and let the country go to hell. They don't want us there. Bad guys? Blockade. With air support.

These are the natural growing pains of a medieval society thrust into the modern age. They will adapt and moderate their behavior, or they will die out.

"and bay for blood as the solution to the problems in Afghanistan. I think that's ludicrous."

Sorry Crid. I didn't know that you wanted the military to be the peace corp.

As I've said many times, I don't think the military should be there anymore. Like luj said, should have left long ago.

"That's not really what the military service of the United States is about."

Crid, this is what the military is about. I am not sorry they are not sorry for what was done. If people at home don't like it, don't send them.

http://holgerawakens.blogspot.com/2013/05/video-you-need-morning-wake-up-call.html#links

Consultants notwithstanding.