The Journey to Surrogacy.

A delightful 1924 children's book about a train trip through the English countryside to a quaint little hamlet that was stuck in the past.

You're right, these people are odious.

But there are a lot of things people take value from that I don't rilly git.

Part of this is from working in showbiz...

Really? You thought [someshow] was great, and you bought all the episodes on Blu Ray and watch them every weekend?

Or Truly? You think [Billybob Scratchthroat] is a talented singer, and you listen to him every day on the way to work?

Our children may never understand the value that earlier generations took from watching the lives of strangers in a constrained media Universe.

So, like, yeah, this is stupid.

But funding them is entirely optional. 'Hey Brother, Can You Spare a Dime' is protected speech, right?

Anybody who wants to watch these people raise a baby is probably pretty lonely... Lonely people do what they need to do.

"The Journey to Surrogacy.

A delightful 1924 children's book about a train trip through the English countryside to a quaint little hamlet that was stuck in the past."

OMG! Can't. Stop. Laughing. That's awesome.

My problem with the whole thing is, if you can't afford to GET pregnant, you probably can't afford to raise it, either.

Why the hell would she think insurance would cover it in the first place?

If she can't afford surrogacy, why would she think she could afford a child? Them little bastids is expensive.

"Why can't her husband just knock up someone?"

I can't find to gofundme link, and a bit lazy to google it, but in my reading of Glenn Sacks and Robert Franklin and even I think Jonathan Turley, that would seem to be a terrible suggestion in today's age.

In one likely scenario, "someone" could claim both the child and child support.

Why the hell would she think insurance would cover it in the first place?

If she can't afford surrogacy, why would she think she could afford a child? Them little bastids is expensive.

Posted by: wtf at May 25, 2013 8:38 AM
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Am I wrong in guessing that treatments for infertility are somewhat covered?

There's your answer.

(In an overpopulated world, I, for one, find that ridiculous.)

"(In an overpopulated world, I, for one, find that ridiculous.)"

What would be the correct population for the world? How does one know that?

I haven't notice with my current insurance but the previous one had some coverage for pretty much all infertility treatments. No surrogacy was not covered.

I only know one couple that has gone that route and it was quite expensive. I imagine deals differ. In that case they paid all related expenses plus they paid the surrogate for her time, etc which was 1 year (some prep time + 9 months + recovery time). At a bare minimum I would guess using a surrogate is another 20k all in one year. So I could definitely see someone able to afford a child but not able to afford the child & pay for the surrogate. That couple was fairly wealthy.

lenona: Infertility treatments are frequently not covered by insurance (except in certain states such as Massachusetts which mandate a certain amount of coverage). As someone who paid for high-tech infertility treatment 100% out of pocket, I...fully support NOT mandating coverage. Even our prosperous system has limited resources, and no adult has ever died from not being able to have kids. We were more subfertile than infertile, so we never got into the "despair" phase, but we would have survived even that. (Of course, it's easy to say that when your treatments succeed, as ours did.)

The Former Banker, using a surrogate is probably more like $50k when you throw in legal fees and the cost of IVF (surrogates almost never use their own eggs any more, even if the paying couple doesn't have useable eggs to supply -- makes custody battles infinitely less likely). I don't think being unable to spend that much in a short amount of time for something unrelated to the cost of raising a child signifies that you can't afford to raise kids. That is NOT to say that I think anyone should donate to this couple's cause. I can think of countless more worthy causes if anyone has money to dispose of. But being unable to afford surrogacy does not, I think, in and of itself make them unable to afford children.

This is actually her SECOND trip to the well. She funded her trip to a blogging "summit" in 2011.

http://www.gofundme.com/AltDesignSummit

She does say though "Side note: I definitely don’t expect this Go Fund Me to cover everything, I just hope it helps. We’re also saving money, applying for grants, and doing what we can (without going into extreme debt)." so at least she's not expecting the entire process to be paid for by donations.

Reading the site (gofundme.com) almost made my head explode.

First Off
What would be the correct population for the world? How does one know that?

Humanity can survive with less than twenty thousand, so the correct population would be less than half of what it is now, and half of half of that would probably be better

Secondly, $20 buck for a BJ, every little bit helps

First Off
What would be the correct population for the world? How does one know that?

Humanity can survive with less than twenty thousand, so the correct population would be less than half of what it is now, and half of half of that would probably be better

Posted by: lujlp at May 25, 2013 9:00 PM
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From the late great Brit, Quentin Crisp (the subject was nuclear war):

"It also makes clear that to great modern thinkers human life is no longer sacred. We should have known that this would be so. Nothing except diamonds is above the law of scarcity value."

This is one of the reasons I am opposed to the government creating new "rights". As soon as a group of people perceive something to be a "right". The push starts to get someone, usually government to fund it for those who can't afford it.

I don't care if it is cell phones, birth control, parenthood, education, gay marriage or healthcare.

Once you have a "right" to something the next step is to get the taxpayers to foot the bill.

I dont see BC as a right, but given our population problems I think its cheaper to buy BC rather than pay for welfare and prison

Also, if your employer is contributing to your healthcare as part of your salary they have no right to tell you what you can and cant buy