Think Before Panty-Wadding
There was this tweet:
@thegirlgodbook @Unilever pull your Facebook ads! #FBRape pic.twitter.com/6tog2F2EAr
It was about this intentionally odious photo -- and the ads alongside it:
Those ads include a Unilever deodorant ad -- at the bottom:
I tweeted back what you'd think would be obvious to anyone with three working brain cells:
@amyalkon
@thegirlgodbook @HelgaBitter @Unilever Um, Facebook ads most likely pop up via algorithm, not intention on a manufacturer's part.@amyalkon
@thegirlgodbook @HelgaBitter @Unilever Does anyone really think some brand manager at Unilever says, "Hey, let's enrage people into buying!"
I'm sure that works really well for the locals trying to sell refrigerators in the UK, too, since only remorseless wife-beaters would ever be interested in keeping food cold.
It turns out there's a campaign to ban certain speech on Facebook. I am completely creeped out by these photo posters of violence against women -- same as I would be if they were about men. But the answer to speech -- even the most odious speech -- is more speech, not to trying to stop speech. Speech that is squashed doesn't go away -- it just goes underground, where it can no longer be challenged.







Maybe we need to revive the Darwin Awards. The gene pool seems to be getting shallower.
Jim P. at May 26, 2013 10:29 PM
I wasn't aware that the Darwin awards left, although those are for people who remove themselves from the genepool in an extremely stupid manner (such as pulling Coke machines on top of themselves or attaching JATOs to their cars), either by killing themselves or irreparably sterilizing themselves before they could reproduce.
Patrick at May 27, 2013 6:21 AM
They're allowed to say those horrid things. And you're allowed to speak in opposition. So go forth and do so rather than trying to get that other speech banned because if you succeed, then sooner or later that tendency to ban will turn around and bite you because _my_ old saying is "anything government can do for you it can do to you."
David L. Burkhead at May 27, 2013 7:18 AM
I laugh when I see the ad for ConceiveEasy on your blog.
nonegiven at May 27, 2013 7:28 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/05/27/think_before_pa.html#comment-3722387">comment from David L. BurkheadDavid L. Burkhead is exactly right: "Anything government can do for you it can do to you."
Amy Alkon
at May 27, 2013 7:35 AM
Not seeing how the government factors in to this. My understanding is they are calling out advertisers on Twitter and trying to get them to stop selling ads on FB altogether, since FB will not pull the pages themselves. Isn't that the free market at work?
Advertisers decide whether it makes business sense to continue running ads on facebook or lose potential customers. If they do pull them, FB then decides if it's worth it to keep those pages up while losing some ad revenue, or taking them down and keeping $$.
LL at May 27, 2013 8:58 AM
Although I agree, I'd rather disgusting views out in the open making low-lives easier to identify.
LL at May 27, 2013 9:04 AM
I understand the premise of placing pressure on companies to put pressure in turn on FB to pull this kind of content.
Like LL said, it's an economic principle of public relations. Facebook is entirely within their rights to allow repugnant material to stay posted, as companies are within their rights to continue advertising with Facebook knowing this policy, and customers of those companies are within their rights to gripe about it so that those companies are informed of why they may lose revenue.
ValiantBlue at May 27, 2013 9:21 AM
Facebook can allow or disallow whatever it wants - they are a private company. "Freedom of speech" is a guarantee against government restrictions.
Some of the stuff they are supposed to ban really is pretty extreme. On the other hand, give people an inch: some want to ban pics by pro-breastfeeding organizations, anatomical drawings of genitals, tasteless humor, and other harmless (or even laudable) content.
Whatever Facebook does, they will offend someone. Users who don't like it are free to go to some other social network. As long as the government stays out of the discussion, everything is fine...
a_random_guy at May 27, 2013 10:28 AM
"it just goes underground, where it can no longer be challenged."
Love it.
This is also true of sexism, racism, ageism, pretty much any "ism" you can think of.
wtf at May 27, 2013 6:12 PM
I think it's very odd that anyone even considers which ads are on which pages.
The ads we see are usually customized based upon our browsing habits. It has nothing to do with the page we're looking at. I tend to get a lot of ads about exercise equipment and nutritional supplements.
Patrick at May 27, 2013 10:31 PM
Asian babes and table saws? I must be doing it wrong.
MarkD at May 28, 2013 4:20 AM
Well, obviously, MarkD, you fantasize about cutting up Asian babes with saws, you psycho!
Patrick at May 28, 2013 6:24 AM
The only campaign I've seen is one of eradicating FB's presumed double standard... photos of breastfeeding get taken down immediately, where as rape videos take weeks or months to stay up. That's the accusation I've heard, don't have actual data to refute it or back it up.
FB is a private company and they can support or ban any speech they want. Customers can give their feedback and opinion, and FB can do what it wants.
NicoleK at May 29, 2013 3:09 AM
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