Unpaid Internships Aren't Unpaid -- And Don't Lead To Jobs Much More Than Never Having Interned
This is why they're largely the province of kids from well-to-do families.
Randye Hoder writes in The New York Times:
Like 30 percent of undergraduates in the United States, my daughter, Emma, has an unpaid internship this summer. She is one of the lucky ones. She is following her passion: her internship at a food Web site is in her field of study; the work she's doing there is providing her, at age 20, with valuable skills, experience and connections.But the idea of an unpaid internship is a misnomer -- mostly because someone is, in some sense, paying. In this case, it's my husband and me (with a helping hand from various friends and relatives).
Emma's internship is in New York City, across the country from our Los Angeles home. We can afford it, in large part, because she has a friend whose family generously offered her a place to stay this summer. Otherwise, she might have had to pass on this great opportunity. (Her friend, by the way, is a fellow undergrad with an unpaid internship at a Condé Nast magazine.)
There are, of course, other expenses: round-trip airfare, housing incidentals, food and a MetroCard, to name just a few. With no salary, Emma herself can't afford any of those things -- more expenses for the parents who are footing the bill. These are costs that only those with relatively high incomes can afford. Meanwhile, those who are from less well-to-do households are getting left behind.
The long-term impact can be significant. Although students with paid internships have the best postgraduate opportunities, research shows those with unpaid internships fare better than those without them.
Again, I think it's scummy of these companies to not pay them anything if they are doing more than letting them observe -- if they are getting anything out of their work.
There's value to the companies in seeing the sort of person a person is on the job.
Because you can exploit somebody -- have them do work for you for free -- doesn't mean you should. This is why, although I could have a line of people out the door if I put an ad for an intern on Craigslist, I do not. If you work for me, like my part-time assistant does, you get paid -- and mentored.
From Hoder's piece:
"Paying interns the minimum wage is the right and moral thing to do," says Robert Shindell, vice president and chief learning officer at Intern Bridge, a research firm. "It levels the playing field and allows us to focus on the more important question: Are we as a society effectively transitioning our students from college to the world of work?"Landing an internship is an important stepping stone for a young person. Those jobs should be going to those students who prove themselves the most capable -- regardless of whether their parents have fat wallets.
PS Those "evil" libertarians over at Reason magazine do the right thing and pay -- interns work for 10 weeks and receive a $5,000 stipend. This means it is potential and talent (judged through writing samples) that allows one to intern, not whether one's parents have bucks.
Also, these interns are actually apprenticing -- they are not doing scut work for countless hours a day.
Their website says: "The job includes reporting and writing for Reason and Reason Online, and helping with research, proofreading, and other tasks. Previous interns have gone on to work at such places as The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, ABC News, and Reason itself."
The Atlantic's Jordan Weissman on whether unpaid internships lead to jobs for college students. Short answer: not so much.
For three years, the National Association of Colleges and Employers has asked graduating seniors if they've received a job offer and if they've ever had either a paid or unpaid internship. And for three years, it's reached the same conclusion: Unpaid internships don't seem to give college kids much of a leg up when it comes time to look for employment.This year, NACE queried more than 9,200 seniors from February through the end of April. They found that 63.1 percent of students with a paid internship under their belt had received at least one job offer. But only 37 percent of former unpaid interns could say the same -- a negligible 1.8 percentage points more than students who had never interned.
*It might also be time to stop calling post-collegiate internships "internships." As Intern Bridge Vice President Robert Shindell said to me, whether or not they're paid, they really are just generally temp jobs with a fancy title.







I love that the company I work for now doesn't have interns. Instead, they set aside enough money in the budget to have a part-time employee work for 20 hours a week for $10 an hour. Sure, we have enough work to keep a dozen unpaid interns busy. But we prefer the reliability and talent that comes with paying just one person. Since these people also tend to stick around a lot longer, we often end up hiring them full-time when an opening becomes avaiable, which saves us the time and money of trying to find a qualified person for an opening.
sofar at June 20, 2013 8:12 AM
I love that sofar -- it's the right thing to do.
"But we prefer the reliability and talent that comes with paying just one person." -- I'm with you on this.
Amy Alkon at June 20, 2013 8:20 AM
The job I learned the most from was the one I had in high school. I worked for a farm that had a store where it sold what it produced. I learned how to make change, work long hours, be responsible, and take pride in a job well done. Most importantly, I was paid. That experience is what made me valuable to employers down the line. I did a fair bit of intership work as well, but nothing prepared me for real life like the two summers I spent on the farm.
sheepmommy at June 20, 2013 10:44 AM
Depends what you're getting out of the internship. In some cases, the experience, training, professional contacts, and networking opportunities are worth well more than any amount of compensation. This was the case for two unpaid internships I held in high school (venture capitalist and planetary scientist). Both were highly-educated, in-demand professionals who took time to teach me about their fields out of their own generosity. No doubt these experiences contributed directly to my college admittance and scholarships, saving me tens of thousands of dollars over 4 years. Expecting payment on top of that would have been ludricous.
OTOH, an unpaid internship where you're just stuffing envelopes is a waste of time. No surprise that companies are jumping on the opportunity for free labor, but it's up to the student to be smart about the opportunities that are worth their time.
Also, what I saw in college was that internships in business, engineering, computers etc ALWAYS paid. The summer after junior year (the big year for internships) myself and peers in these fields were making $20-35/hr. And these were structured programs designed to lead to a job offer by the end of the summer. Whereas my friends pursuing "glamourous" fields like communications, event planning, marketing, fashion etc were lucky to find a relevant internship at all, let alone one that paid. That should send a big red flag about your hiring prospects in the future, and how much your degree is really worth.
Shannon at June 20, 2013 11:58 AM
In some cases, the experience, training, professional contacts, and networking opportunities are worth well more than any amount of compensation. This was the case for two unpaid internships I held in high school
Yeah, the nature of the internship matters a great deal. If you're shadowing a professional in your field, and that professional is taking time out of their day to introduce you to contacts/teach you things, then it makes sense that it's unpaid. I've also seen good unpaid internships (often called 'externships') where a group of interns works on a project or simulation together that mirrors the actual work done by the company and are critiqued/guided by professionals in doing so. But that project doesn't actually contribute to the company's bottom line in any way.
But if the intern is doing actual work, whether that's stuffing envelopes, writing articles/press releases, updating the website, planning events or basically doing anything that a paid employee would otherwise do .... that work should be paid.
My litmus test has always been this:
If the intern didn't show up or suddenly quit, would his/her responsibilities need to be taken care of by someone else?
If yes, that work should be paid.
sofar at June 20, 2013 12:17 PM
I wonder how it might bias the results of the survey that they only use the word "internship" and not "fellowship" etc. Oftentimes, there are summer jobs at universities that are through the various science departments. They are usually considered fellowships, but are otherwise intern-like in the short duration. These may or may not provide real-world skills, but are invariably interesting and educational. Or, at least that was my experience.
Shannon M. Howell at June 20, 2013 12:39 PM
I did unpaid internships in college, and it never bothered me. The experience and contacts proved valuable, and I was able to get college credit. That meant I ended up paying for the experience, but it shaved a semester off my college time, which saved me far more than I would have made working at a minimum wage job that summer.
MonicaP at June 20, 2013 12:41 PM
I guess if you have a choice between a real job, and an unpaid internship you should take the real job.
However, for too many people, the internship may be their only option, and there is nothing wrong with learning something, if in the process of doing it, you can tread water financially and stay off welfare.
Isab at June 20, 2013 12:56 PM
So someone correct me if you've seen it elsewhere, but this unpaid-internship thing seems to be mostly a creation of the entertainment and media industries. In aerospace, I've never seen or heard of an unpaid internship. We have paid interns; they don't make a lot, but they do make something.
Cousin Dave at June 21, 2013 6:49 AM
Interns at Savannah River Site are paid.
That said -- where did the idea that an employer owes you something unilaterally come from?
You are selling your labor. If you accept a position with no pay, you are agreeing that your labor has no value expressable in a paycheck.
Isn't this the business of the consenting adults?
Radwaste at June 21, 2013 7:10 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/06/20/unpaid_internsh.html#comment-3760805">comment from RadwasteIsn't this the business of the consenting adults?
Again, yes, but it doesn't make it right for businesses to do this. Because you can exploit people...
Didn't I say that somewhere above, and maybe a few times?
Amy Alkon
at June 21, 2013 7:49 AM
In the healthcare field for things like nursing, phlebotomy, etc., you have to put in so many hours of hands-on training to get all your certifications to be able to work. These are typically unpaid and considered part of school itself. I've known three people to have unpaid internships, one with a newspaper, one with an advertising agency, and I can't specifically remember the other one but it had to do with a political science degree they got and it was for the city. All the others I knew that did internships got paid at least something for what they did. These were in science, engineering, business/accounting, and legal fields.
BunnyGirl at June 21, 2013 9:38 AM
Again, yes, but it doesn't make it right for businesses to do this. Because you can exploit people...
There are many different ways to exploit people. An unpaid internship is only one of the possibilities.
There are many places I would work for free in order to learn something from a master craftsman.
Exploitation seems to be one of the buzz words, that feminists and communists want you to get all worked up over so you will join the cause.
They see anything short of equal division of all the business assets among all employees, right down to the janitors, as some sort of capitalist gulag.
Isab at June 21, 2013 5:42 PM
"Because you can exploit people..."
Interns cannot be exploited without their consent. Claiming otherwise pushes the idea that a nanny is needed for them. Gee, government! Do something!
Radwaste at July 18, 2013 2:12 PM
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