Good News -- For Messy Me
The epicenter of Amy -- my desk and the immediate environment:
MESSY or tidy -- which is better?Historically, the evidence has favored the tidy camp. Cleanliness, as the proverb says, is next to godliness. The anthropologist Mary Douglas noted almost 50 years ago a connection between clean, open spaces and moral righteousness. More recently, psychologists have shown that the scent of citrus cleaning products is enough to raise people's ethical standards and promote trust. Conversely, in another study, people were found to associate chaotic wilderness with death.
But if messiness is so bad, why do so many people tolerate, and even embrace, it?
Not long ago, two of my colleagues and I speculated that messiness, like tidiness, might serve a purpose. Since tidiness has been associated with upholding societal standards, we predicted that just being around tidiness would elicit a desire for convention. We also predicted the opposite: that being around messiness would lead people away from convention, in favor of new directions.
We conducted some experiments to test these intuitions, and as we reported in last month's issue of the journal Psychological Science, our hunches were borne out.
I'm not consciously messy; I just am not conscious about being neater, except when I force myself to do it. I'll make myself pick up and deal with, say, 25 items.
ADHD is probably a part of it. I can hyper-focus on interesting details; it can actually be overwhelming to me to deal with a lot of little mundane ones.
If I could afford it, I'd have someone create a filing system for me and then spend every day following me around with a shovel.
Your organizational style -- or lack thereof?
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I was just thinking about this. My husband and I think in totally opposite ways. He's always asking me why I did this instead if that.
I can be organized or I can be creative, but not both at the same time. I believe that it is a time and focus issue. You will have what you focus upon. If I'm organized, I run out of time to be creative and vice-versa.
Jen at September 14, 2013 10:55 PM
My workspace when I write is "structured chaos." Yes the papers and materials form piles that look messy to the outsider, but when I want a particular piece of writing, I know just where to find it. Those piles have been arranged.
Patrick at September 15, 2013 1:24 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/15/good_news_--_fo.html#comment-3917788">comment from JenBeing organized is last in priority, but things do get lost.
I did the show with Vladas Griskevicius after a science journalist friend was over here with her husband and she pointed out that I have the same books, pretty much, that she does. (This was in a pile on the table that would otherwise be a dining table instead of a book and research paper holding area.) Her husband picked up the book, which reminded me that I had it!
Amy Alkon
at September 15, 2013 5:43 AM
Compulsively neat. Not as bad as some I have worked with who can't stand a piece of paper that isn't aligned at right angles to the desk, but I do need things tidy or I get stressed out.
Several years ago, I was working with a bunch of scientists and engineers on ground tests of the instrument we built for the Hubble Space Telescope. One guy was a hyper-organizer who spent much of the down time during tests putting away pencils and organizing paper logs into binders. I still remember another guy coming in and saying "where the hell is my calculator?" It had been picked up and carefully placed in a canister of pens, rulers, and other office supplies.
Astra at September 15, 2013 6:50 AM
"Your organizational style -- or lack thereof?"
A pile for everything, and everything in it's pile.
I'm just not interested enough to do more than that, and it works for me.
Drives hubby nuts, but then, if it truly aggravated him beyond tolerance, he would organize it himself.
wtf at September 15, 2013 7:32 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/15/good_news_--_fo.html#comment-3917922">comment from wtfPile of paper is printouts of book, edits, etc.
The rest isn't so neatly piled!
Amy Alkon
at September 15, 2013 7:42 AM
If it ain't broke.....
wtf at September 15, 2013 7:45 AM
That pile of papers looks mighty precarious, like the slightest vibration could cause an avalanche! If that happened, would it be a disaster? Or would it be like rearranging grains of sand on the beach? :-)
Michael Mansberg at September 15, 2013 9:28 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/09/15/good_news_--_fo.html#comment-3918071">comment from Michael Mansbergthe slightest vibration could cause an avalanche! If that happened, would it be a disaster?
Yes, because I lack servants. Meaning, I would be forced to re-stack it. Before Aida (my puppy) got here, Gregg came over and put the skyscrapers of papers in boxes for me and put them in the garage. (There were three and a half. Most larger than this one.)
Amy Alkon
at September 15, 2013 9:46 AM
There was a best-selling book a few years ago about why messiness can be a good thing - does anyone remember it?
lenona at September 15, 2013 1:04 PM
Found it - it's: "A Perfect Mess: The Hidden Benefits of Disorder - How Crammed Closets, Cluttered Offices, and on-the-Fly Planning Make the World a Better Place" by Eric Abrahamson & David H. Freedman.
lenona at September 15, 2013 1:18 PM
Back in the 80's I casually knew a woman who was a college professor, extremely neat and articulate on the outside, dressed fashionably, was an all around presentable lady. Very social as well.
She made the news when Long Beach had to condemn her home that was filled with dozens of living and dead cats, dogs and birds, years of piled up garbage, broken toilets...
Eric at September 15, 2013 1:32 PM
I strive to keep it tidy in the shared areas. The kitchen is always in a bit of an uproar-two totally different diets going on and it's hard to keep up. My husband is a fairly tidy fellow in his areas.
But MY room? It's chaos and it's my chaos and I'm more comfortable there than anywhere on Earth. Entering it shifts my mental gears. My BFF can tell over the phone if I'm in my room claiming I have a looser, 2-drinks quality. To others, an uninviting space, but it's intentionally unwelcoming, the key to solitude I crave.
bmused at September 15, 2013 2:17 PM
I won't tolerate post-its on the computer screen. No way. I have two things right in front of me: a 4x6 spiral-bound notebook which is the destiny of ALL things I need to remember, and a crib sheet to refer to when I need to write an è or an € or a ©.
There's a credenza to my right which is a different story, but I wouldn't tolerate a mountainous stack of research paper.
Stu Harris at September 15, 2013 3:20 PM
My husband and I have decided an "early frat-boy/comic-geek motif", only much less fragrant, works best for us.
Pricklypear at September 15, 2013 5:42 PM
I remember years ago, there was a bumper sticker:
"A neat desk is a sign of A SICK MIND!!"
;-)
qdpsteve at September 15, 2013 9:53 PM
Both my wife and I are meticulously neat.
I have two icons on my desktop.
The garage is so tidy that I'm concerned our neighbors might be talking behind our backs.
Jeff Guinn at September 16, 2013 5:06 AM
Piles. But I can find things in them.
MarkD at September 16, 2013 5:28 AM
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