Hampshire College Sex Blog: Best Not To Use The Word "Women"
The question and the beginning of the answer:
Anonymous asked: How do you recommend women keep their genitals fresh and clean without any unnatural products?Great question! First, we'd like to quickly address the language of saying "women" instead of "female-bodied people:" not everyone who identifies as a woman has a vagina/vulva.
via @CHSommers







Okay, so since "not everyone who identifies as a woman has a vagina/vulva", how come your answer only applies to those that do? Huh? Huh? You guys are vagivulvists!
Pricklypear at December 2, 2013 9:32 AM
I think the Libs may be shooting themselves in the foot with this cisgender stuff. Too much of their rhetoric and victimology is based on gender and racial lines.
All you need is a bunch of business people to declare that (temporarily) they have had a change of heart and should be identified as female. Especially for minority owned business benefits.
Need more minorities to meet gov't set quotas (gets a 5% bonus on a contract), offer a 3% bonus to any employee who self identify as cis-Native American. 2% profit guaranteed.
Joe j at December 2, 2013 9:36 AM
Good to know. So what's going to happen when male bodied people who choose to identify as women start to demand the entitlements afforded to female bodied women?
Umberto at December 2, 2013 9:42 AM
By "you guys" I meant those other guys, not you guys here. Just to clarify.
Or, for those of us with vagina/vulvas, maybe that should be gys instead of guys.
Pricklypear at December 2, 2013 9:47 AM
I'd bet you a wooden nickle, that after all of this gender relativity is taken into account and everyone has a good round of getting in touch with whatever feelings they have...
everything will still be blamed on middle aged white males.
...assuming we haven't all opted out to the point where we just mutter "STFU", while walking away.
SwissArmyD at December 2, 2013 9:57 AM
The sad confusion of the posters, the smug responses of the bloggers - that is a terrible place to go for advice.
More from that site:
I am a female-bodied in a monogamous relationship w/ a male-bodied person.
so me (cisfemale) and my boyf (cismale)
I'm a cisgender female, and I've been with my cisgender male boyfriend
If a male bodied person is having vaginal intercourse with a female bodied person, and the male bodied person is wearing a condom, if the f.b.p is not on birth control, is it still safe
My partner and I are both female assigned at birth
when I had this particular sexual encounter, there wasn't any verbal consent given or asked by either party. I'm troubled by this and while I definitely would have given my consent if he had asked, but he didn't. I didn't ask him for consent either but I think he would have given consent if I did
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at December 2, 2013 9:59 AM
I'm grateful to whoever cooked up this particular neologism, because whenever someone says "cisgendered", I know that I don't have to take them seriously.
-jcr
John C. Randolph at December 2, 2013 10:04 AM
The whole "cis-" thing is getting under my skin as well. I'm about to be horribly un-PC here. There's a word for people who were born with the same gender identities that their bodies reflect: "Normal." I don't know what the percentage is of people who don't identify with how their bodies are formed, but it's got to be minuscule. Do we really need to change how we view sex and gender to accommodate this extremely tiny number of dysphorics?
I know at least one person who has changed his gender identity for what would seem to be ideological reasons. He refuses to identify as either male or female, and his explanation seems to be rooted in disdain for "male privilege" and "gender normativity." (Physically, and in terms of his demeanor, he's pretty obviously a dude.) I would expect to see more of this kind of thing as the whole "non-binary" PC gender crap gets percolated through society.
farmer_Joe at December 2, 2013 10:06 AM
"Female-bodied people"?
It sounds like a satire of political correctness.
Patrick at December 2, 2013 11:55 AM
Notice that that the question asked about 'genitals,'it was the responder who assumed there was cis-genderism. Stupid usage, too. Since only cis forms are common in nature. Nature is anti-LBGT! down with nature!
kona4breakfast at December 2, 2013 12:31 PM
"whenever someone says "cisgendered", I know that I don't have to take them seriously."
Yup.
Dave B at December 2, 2013 12:45 PM
I asked someone I know that gives a rat's ass about such things and was told the cis- label is help remove the hetero-normative privilege inherent in our culture.
No joke.
Whatever.
LauraGr at December 2, 2013 12:46 PM
I believe the intended term was "feperson-bodied people"
The Former Banker at December 2, 2013 1:18 PM
It's Hampshire, it might be tongue in cheek. It could go either wave.
NicoleK at December 2, 2013 1:45 PM
not everyone who identifies as a woman has a vagina/vulva.
I identify as a Pontiac Firebird. In a few minutes I'm going down to the Department of Motor Vehicles, and I'm going to demand that I be registered.
After that, I'm going to go out on the freeway. If any cis-highway patrol-human tries to stop me, I'm filing the cis-mother of all discrimination lawsuits.
You can drive me to work if you want. I get sixty miles per gallon of beer.
Thomas Wictor at December 2, 2013 1:57 PM
when I had this particular sexual encounter, there wasn't any verbal consent given or asked by either party. I'm troubled by this and while I definitely would have given my consent if he had asked, but he didn't. I didn't ask him for consent either but I think he would have given consent if I did
I am all for rape prevention. That said, women give consent by participating, by saying "That feels good," by making pleasure noises, BY NOT SAYING NO, etc. If some guy stopped an enjoyable sexual encounter to obtain affirmative consent, I'd have wondered which of us had the vagina. Affirmative consent is apparently the new standard. I'm so glad I'm not a Millenial trying to date, and I'm super glad I'm not a male-bodied person who must constantly be on guard to avoid a false rape charge every time I touch a female-bodied person.
Beth Cartwright at December 2, 2013 2:49 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2013/12/02/hampshire_colle.html#comment-4089969">comment from Thomas WictorI identify as a Pontiac Firebird.
Absolutely love that!
Amy Alkon
at December 2, 2013 3:16 PM
Nope! Not anymore, Joe.
The whole cisgendered label was invented to remove the "normal" label from the large part of the population that views deviations from their standard as abnormal.
This way, people who are not cisgendered can identify themselves as falling within the norm - granted, a norm not based in statistical probability, but "normal" nonetheless. They're no longer "abnormal."
It's all about removing "heteronormative" concepts of "normal" and making every variation of gender identity and sexual preference just one more possibility along a diverse spectrum of possibilities - none more "normal" than the other.
The politically correct are busy normalizing the abnormal. Try not to intrude on the process with facts.
Conan the Grammarian at December 2, 2013 4:53 PM
I read this today and thought "WTF is the world these people live in?"
Then on talk radio on the way home tonight a woman called in and was talking about a friend who believes in "reproductive justice" meaning late term abortion and we have to pay for their choices. But they aren't responsible because they have a right to fuck around as they want to.
After I heard that I now feel that there is a large part of the population that couldn't exist the real world.
Jim P. at December 2, 2013 5:30 PM
Conan: The whole cisgendered label was invented to remove the "normal" label from the large part of the population that views deviations from their standard as abnormal.
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I'm aware. That's why I said I was being horribly un-PC by saying that.
Farmer_Joe at December 3, 2013 5:52 AM
"After I heard that I now feel that there is a large part of the population that couldn't exist the real world."
I know. Doesn't it just make you want to stuff them all in an airplane and parachute-drop them into Siberia?
Cousin Dave at December 3, 2013 6:35 AM
*waiting for the pandemic*
*still waiting*
whenever someone says "cisgendered", I know that I don't have to take them seriously.
And never will.
o.O
Flynne at December 3, 2013 8:04 AM
I love fucking with people.
When ever I run across someone using "cis" I start the argument and get them to the point where they use this argument.
I then turn it back on them by claiming that treating something abnormal as unnatural to the point that we have to relabel normal to make the unnatural seem natural that they are the real bigots.
lujlp at December 3, 2013 8:42 AM
How do you recommend women keep their genitals fresh and clean without any unnatural products?
Great question! First, we'd like to quickly address the language of saying "women" instead of "female-bodied people:" not everyone who identifies as a woman has a vagina/vulva.
Ok, well then if you identify as a woman that has not a vagina, then:
Step One: Peel back your foreskin . . .
Steve Daniels at December 3, 2013 11:55 AM
All right Steve! Crying, holding my ribs.
Dave B at December 3, 2013 12:41 PM
I suppose this could make for a great episode in Modern Family.
mpetrie98 at December 3, 2013 6:56 PM
Steve: Not all male-bodied females have a foreskins, making your foreskinnormative comment potentially hurtful to circumcised male-bodied women!
Abu Nudnik at July 2, 2015 2:39 PM
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