I'm surprised it's as low as 1%.

I am certain my ex wife believes her daughters came about through virgin birth.

http://isnaf.info/

Pinsky used to say that it was notable that so many women who'd (retroactively) claim to have had sex without consent would say that the guy had put something in their drink. Rather than immediately asking the (almost always underage) radio show callers whether diminished clarity from alcohol gave them any responsibility for subsequent events, he'd ask "Which drink?" It was often the second. One time it was the third.

Not to pick on the sisters. This is a human nature problem. Lord knows men have disavowed their behavior no less often and no less preposterously.

It's possible, if there was heavy petting and they were naked. Even if there was no penetration, if the guy ejaculated in the vulval area, the girl could get pregnant. I could see someone not knowing anything about sex not knowing this is possible.

I'm w/Nicolek on this one and thought this was general knowledge for adults/not so much for teenagers.

What was the point of the article? Seemed like a setup for a teenage rant/with a pretentious ending.

Was the author making a point about 12 year olds making 'pledge' and not keeping it?

I immediately thought of the same thing NicoleK did. It can happen especially with a very fertile teenage girl, and based on the commonly accepted definition of virgin, these girls could be telling the truth.

My practice deals a lot with STI's. I've confronted this phenomenon professionally in that context.

Suzanne Summers tells the story of her first child's conception. She and her boyfriend dry-humped. He ejaculated and soaked her underwear. Wow! A virgin birth.

While I was not a virgin, an ex boyfriend paid me a visit and wouldn't leave. He masterbated to ejaculation, scooped up the ejaculate with his finger, and inserted it. Yes, I got pregnant.

Perhaps these things are rare, but they can happen. Dining a pledge and doing everything "but" may make these mishaps occur more frequently.

Good lord.

And how many of you have seen Bigfoot with your own eyes? Or have seen Elvis buying a big, foamy Coke™ in a 7-11 after August, 1977? How many have seen a flying saucer?

Jesus.

I think this eagerness to say 'But it could actually happen!' is just a broadly-held impulse to hedge one's bets, to pre-emptively demand a little slack from the rational world when things go wrong… As we all know they one day will.

"[I]n the vulval area."

Christ.

Amy, I know you're an atheist, so your statement is consistent with that belief system. And I know you're intelligent enough to understand that Christians believe that God (who can make anything He wants)created a child in Mary's womb without any sexual intercourse. Miracles are, by definition, natural impossibilities. You've stated your view well, but it's purely an exercise in self-assurance, convincing nobody who isn't already in agreement.

Dang. Atheist humor. No wonder I didn't get it. :)

Chris, miracles are not necessarily natural impossibilities. A virgin birth, for instance, is not impossible. It would, however, require a sequence of highly improbably events, making the odds astronomical.

Crid: How many have seen a flying saucer?

I have. I tripped a waitress.

This jumping all over Amy because she's an atheist is getting old. "You can't talk about Christian matters, Amy! You're an atheist! So, when you die, they're just gonna bury you face down so you can see where you're going! Smug, smug, snoot, snoot."

It's cute how you guys have your own little aphorisms and sayings, just like a regular faith.

"Evidence-based!"

I think another thing that would be good to find out about the virgins who became pregnant is how many of them have ever blacked out, passed out, fallen asleep or couldn't remember what they did after consuming alcohol or drugs.

Here's an article that explains just how a virgin birth could happen. Again, it's a complicated series of highly improbable events, making the odds against such a birth occurring to be astronomical. Very, very, very, very, very unlikely, yes. Impossible, no.

Just another Mars vs. Venus thing.... I have never heard a guy claim to have sired a child through immaculate conception. :)

Given the season and this topic, I feel compelled to listen to South Park's "The Most Offensive Song Ever."

Happy Saturnalia.

> I have never heard a guy claim to have sired
> a child through immaculate conception

That's a great point point. Masculine pomposity never soared that high: "I did it with my pants zipped!"

That's a great point point. -- Crid [CridComment at gmail] at December 26, 2013 5:22 PM

Actually most guys I know restrict comments on the sex to she was <good/bad/okay> in bed. The details, if told, have to be dragged out of them.

However they will pass on that she is batshit crazy but is good in bed.

I don't remember the exact wording from this episode of Family Guy but it went something like this...

Joseph to Mary: "Can you tell me again about this virgin birth thing? Because when you explain it, it makes sense, but when I tell it to the guys at work they poke all kinds of holes in it."

If Mary even existed, and if she wasn't ignorant as to how babies are made, I'm guessing she just didn't want to admit slutting around. So..."God did it, Daddy. In the back seat of his cloud."
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Why do almost NO Bible skeptics - well, the non-professional ones, anyway - want to suggest that maybe the Bible writers didn't just lie about Jesus' father; they probably lied about Joseph's reaction too? I.e., why WOULDN'T Joseph have been the father, since the following from Matthew 1 -

His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly

- may never have happened, even if they existed?

Virgin birth eh? I'm suprised the state isnt discouraging this sort of thing.

No father = no child support = no matching funds from the fed

Virgin birth eh? I'm suprised the state isnt discouraging this sort of thing.

No father = no child support = no matching funds from the fed

"Atheist humor. No wonder I didn't get it. :)"

I like the part where in Matthew, Jesus says God's law is absolute, every jot and tittle, and then Christians refuse to slaughter non-virgin brides as instructed in Deuteronomy.

Now THAT - the idea that Christians claim they're believers when they refuse to follow God's Law - that's a joke.

I like the part where in Matthew, Jesus says God's law is absolute, every jot and tittle, and then Christians refuse to slaughter non-virgin brides as instructed in Deuteronomy.

Now THAT - the idea that Christians claim they're believers when they refuse to follow God's Law - that's a joke.

I notice those heretic Jews also seem to have modified their views on a literal interpretation of Deuteronomy also.

Most Christian sects don't consider the old testament to be "God's law". Since they are Christians (and not Jews) they look to the new testament and the teachings of Jesus for their moral guidance.

Whatever the fuck some vertical-pompadoured TV preacher says to the contrary, Christians (and yes, Isab, the Jews, always the Jooz) must slaughter all non-virgin brides who dare the altar.

It's Godslaw.

Anything else is just liberal feel-good do-what-you-wanna lies.

@Isab - that's why they called it the New Testament (signifying a new covenant between God & Man). You're talking about a fairly basic point of theology.

@Chris, then why does Jebus say the old law will be in effect until the heaven and earth pass away?

Far as I can tell the earth is still here