Muslim Leaders Vow Domination Of Rome, London, Spain, Paris, America
It's as the Quran commands -- to convert or kill the infidel and take over their lands and make them Muslim. Civil liberties? Not under the Islamic caliphate.
Like the Jews of Banu Qurayza.
Boo!
Haha!
Skeerdja!
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 10:55 AM
Meanwhile, in Westphalia:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4681/germany-sharia-police
Steve Daniels at September 21, 2014 12:40 PM
It's really a conflict between philosophies.
"Islam" means "submission" to the will of Allah. Islam requires a complete submission without question. Those who cannot read depend upon those who can to interpret the word of Allah for them. Like Christianity before Martin Luther started publishing Bibles in German, the reader's interpretation is accepted as truth.
Islam is a collectivist mindset. Western civilization was built on a gradual recognition of the primacy of the individual in building a society, rejecting earlier collectivist constructs.
With the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, Western civilization fully adopted the individual as the basis of a society rather than the collective family, clan, or tribe.
In the West, the individual has a relationship with God, not the family, clan, or tribe. The individual is judged, not the family, clan, or tribe.
Cousin-marriage was rejected by the West in favor of inter-clan marriages. Many cultures of the world still require a familial or clan connection for marriage. This strengthens the blood-line, but weakens the clan or tribal structure by introducing relationships from outside the traditional structure (even when done within the same religion).
The Middle East (and Africa and most of Asia) have not yet made the progression from collective to individual.
The point at which these two philosophies collide is the point at which we have conflicts. Poorly managed, those conflicts can lead to actual fighting and war.
It is difficult for a collectivist to understand how an individualist can reject his family and leave to seek his fortune or expect to thrive in the world without the support of the clan/tribe. It is difficult for an individualist to understand how a collectivist can thrive without being free to explore all options.
Conan the Grammarian at September 21, 2014 12:44 PM
This strengthens the blood-line....
Just to be clear: Rejection of cousin-marriage strengthens the blood-line, but weakens clan/tribal ties.
Conan the Grammarian at September 21, 2014 12:46 PM
And by 'collectivist' we mean 'uber-wealthy princes and kings at the top of the oil heap keeping their own people ignorant and angry'.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at September 21, 2014 12:48 PM
> "Islam" means "submission" to the will of Allah.
Worry about this, you guys. Pretend it's something new and exotic in human nature. Worry about what they say about themselves and their system of belief.
And when you worry, worry Amy-style: Pretend to have special insight… As you review the matter with others, avoid considerations of literacy, geography, development, history, demographics, sexuality, finance, or any other cultural consideration.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 1:04 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/09/21/muslim_leaders_1.html#comment-5112252">comment from Crid [CridComment at Gmail]Crid, I'm always amazed at your ability to avoid seeking information and simply sneering when you know little or nothing about a subject. That poor man, Drummer Lee Rigby, slaughtered in the street in the UK? Islam commands his slaughter.
Beheadings are called for in Islam. And there were adherents ready to oblige:
http://mashable.com/2014/09/17/massive-raids-as-anti-terrorism-operation-underway-in-australia/
Mohammed was a violent, greedy, looting, raping, rape-advocating, murder-advocating psychopath.
Jesus, I'm not all aboard for, but I can go with "feed the poor," etc.
Amy Alkon at September 21, 2014 2:02 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/09/21/muslim_leaders_1.html#comment-5112261">comment from Amy AlkonA few Quran passages to warm your afternoon:
"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." Koran 2:191 "Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood." Koran 9:123 "When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them." Koran 9:5 "Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable." Koran 3:85 "The Jews and the Christians are perverts fight them."... Koran 9:30 "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam" Koran 5:33 "Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water melt their skin and bellies." Koran 22:19 "The unbelievers are silly urge the Muslims to fight them." Koran 8:65 "Muslims must not take the infidels as friends." Koran 3:28 "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur'an." Koran 8:12 "Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels." Koran 8:60
Also, the Quran is not taken as allegory or history but as the word of Allah, perfect and not debatable.
Amy Alkon at September 21, 2014 2:04 PM
> avoid seeking information
FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
The LAST thing you want to deal with is information.
This is fear-mongering, Amy, and you should be ashamed.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 2:16 PM
> Also, the Quran is not taken as
> allegory or history but as the word
> of Allah, perfect and not debatable.
You keep saying that, and nothing else. Over and over year after year, no matter what the context.
This isn't just a tic, or a personality wrinkle.
You're trying to signal something...
Like maybe you wanna believe it's true.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 2:20 PM
What do you think when a preacher from the deep south talks about homosexual fornication a lot? I mean, like, a whole lot?… Without ever talking about any other facet of a homosexual's life? Just the fornication, the fornication, the fornication?
What do you think that preacher has on his mind?
Right.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 2:53 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/09/21/muslim_leaders_1.html#comment-5112908">comment from Crid [CridComment at Gmail]You keep saying that, and nothing else.
Crid, that's just a ridiculous claim. I explain many things about Islam. How apostates and gays are to be slaughtered. How women are worth half of what a man is and are property of their father or husband. How Mohammed's words and deeds are to be emulated -- despite how he was a mass-murdering, looting, rapist, among other nice things, and would come up with religious justifications for whatever he wanted. Anything else you want to know, just ask. I can also quote from the Quran, though I sometimes have to check on the verse numbers.
I have written countless words explaining what I have learned on Islam and you can't argue with them and aren't interested in the facts, so you say, "You keep saying that, and nothing else," as if that's any sort of anything but justification for you to pretend you know something about Islam.
So go right ahead: Instead of sneering, refute anything I've posted here about Islam. find the verses, the words from Islamic scholars, and refute away. (If you were to look instead of just telling yourself you know...just because...you know...you'd find that I am correct. Also, I usually post links to support contentions within posts about Islam.)
Here -- here's a starter for you: http://townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/2014/09/21/beheadings-brought-to-you-by-the-religion-of-peace-n1894501/page/full
Amy Alkon at September 21, 2014 5:13 PM
>Crid
>FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
>The LAST thing you want to deal with is >information.
>This is fear-mongering, Amy, and you should be >ashamed.
Crid, is there any chance you could make your point without being such an enormous dick about it?
kenmce at September 21, 2014 5:25 PM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/09/21/muslim_leaders_1.html#comment-5113403">comment from kenmceIt's information-"mongering."
I have been reading the Quran and various commentaries and historical and other documents about Islam since 9/11. I'm actually quite informed about it -- to the point where I impressed the hell out of a Muslim taxi driver back in 2010. (I don't often take taxis but I was in Toronto and needed to get to the airport.)
Again, feel free to ask me any question or challenge me on any point I've made with SUBSTANTIVE information. Here's how: When you dispute something, no, it isn't good enough to just sneer and jeer. Show me how the information I've posted is somehow off-base by posting a corrective piece of information.
I would venture that you cannot. Ever. Because I post well-substantiated stuff and because you have just decided you know what's what without ever investigating it an iota.
That doesn't advance thinking or knowledge. That just allows you to feel superior. And go ahead, by my guest, when that's warranted -- and it often is, with things you post of substance. But simply by jeering because you, without any information, have decided what Islam is and is not, well, that's just junior high shit.
Amy Alkon at September 21, 2014 7:30 PM
I love "info'-" stuff!
Without looking it up:
Which nations have the largest Muslim populations historically? Which global regions? Which have the largest minority Muslim populations? From which nations was Islam most readily exported? By sea or by land? More by trade or more by warfare?
Which areas have seen the most growth of observance in your lifetime? Which in the 19th century? In which areas has the faith diminished? Which ones diminished it willfully, and how?
In which nations is Islamic rule supported by the populations, in which is it merely tolerated, and in which is it threatened for political dominance?
Can you name five nations where Shia are dominant, and five where Sunni call the shots? Three? Two? Which in oil-rich Nigeria? Which in Indonesia, the fourth most-populous country?
Which are Islam's most literate nations? Does literacy trend towards Shia or the Sunni? In what political settings do the sects most regularly conflict, and where do they get along best? Which has the best relations with Vatican City?
In which Islamic countries are women best able to enjoy modernity? Which has the best health care? Which is the most industrialized?
Twenty answers would be plenty.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 7:53 PM
> is there any chance you could
> make your point without being
> such an enormous dick about it?
Naw.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 7:56 PM
I like a heads up on who out there would have an interest in ending my life, or having one of their minions ending my life. I like that heads up to include my extended family, friends, and like minded individuals.
My cave is more important to me than their cave. So given an opportunity, knowing they are intent on killing me and mine, I will kill them first along with their ugly and low IQ women. Smart and good looking women can come live in our cave if they wish to do so peacefully. If not, dust they shall be.
Way of the world Crid. Way of the world.
Dave B at September 21, 2014 9:27 PM
Ken, it's not just me, okay?!??!?!???!!!
The scariest song evar, right? From yer first cigarette t'yer last dyin' day....
> I like a heads up on who out there
> would have an interest in ending
> my life…
If you're urban, you're probably within 70 feet of a Christian with a book full of rules under which you should be punished. You're probably within a mile of a one of their churches. How will you sleep tonight? Deeply, I am certain.
Why would you worry about that rhetoric less than Islam's?
One last statistic, or piece of information, that it would be fun to get from Amy:
What percentage of the world's Muslims, who you insist will take this so terribly seriously, are able to read it in any language, whether or not there's a printed copy within 50 miles of where they live?
Fear mongering… Tsk tsk tsk.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 21, 2014 10:43 PM
Cridmo, the "Christian with a book full of rules under which you should be punished"? THAT guy doesn't scare me, because HIS book doesn't say "kill anyone who doesn't believe in Me". The Koran DOES say "kill anyone who doesn't believe in Me", and THAT'S what I'm afraid of. These freaks actually do the bidding of this "violent, greedy, looting, raping, rape-advocating, murder-advocating psychopath." without question.
We all need to be aware of that. And we need to be ready to stop it, especially when it's aimed at us. It's not enough to stop deliveries to their stores when they're dancing around in celebration of the Twin Towers being destroyed.
Flynne at September 22, 2014 5:21 AM
Worry about this, you guys. Pretend it's something new and exotic in human nature. Worry about what they say about themselves and their system of belief.
Um no, its been going on for one and a half millennia and hasnt changed in all that time, that is exactly why you should be worried
Crid, is there any chance you could make your point without being such an enormous dick about it?
He has no point, which is why he is being a dick.
lujlp at September 22, 2014 5:58 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/09/21/muslim_leaders_1.html#comment-5115450">comment from lujlpLuj is exactly right. Howard Bloom lays it out in an excellent short book, The Mohammed Code. Islam was designed by it's psychopathic founder to be a viral system. It is, as the late George Mason noted, a violent totalitarian system masquerading as a religion.
Amy Alkon at September 22, 2014 6:11 AM
Well, here's the tell, Crid. You're in the film industry.
Go ahead and make a film critical of Jews, Catholics, Protestants and atheists. Add an act about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Then make one critical of Muslims.
How many of these films will result in "church" officials calling for your death?
Hmm. One answer should be enough. Oh, yeah - remember the World Trade Center? The rest of America is busy crying about it every year. Don't know how you missed it.
I get it that you think you are not at personal risk. The roof don't leak when it ain't raining, bawse.
Radwaste at September 22, 2014 6:43 AM
Luj is exactly right. Howard Bloom lays it out in an excellent short book, The Mohammed Code. Islam was designed by it's psychopathic founder to be a viral system. It is, as the late George Mason noted, a violent totalitarian system masquerading as a religion.
Posted by: Amy Alkon at September 22, 2014 6:11 AM
All religions and ideology are designed to be viral systems.
So what?
Let's hear some solutions to the problem of ignorant people being easily led, by megalomaniacs towards violent means to achieve ephemeral goals. (Or to distract them from killing their own leaders)
ISIL is a Sunni organization. That mean anything to you?
Here is a hint. Saddam and the entire Ba'athist party are Sunnis.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%27ath_Party
Has happened a hundred thousand times in human history, call it a cult of personality, call it the madness of crowds. Call it, human nature.
Islam is neither united, as Crid pointed out. Nor is is *special*
Isab at September 22, 2014 11:13 AM
You didn't answer ONE of the questions.
This is not about information.
You don't know anything about Islam... And you don't want to.
Time for lunch! More soon! Hold your breath!
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 11:59 AM
Burp... Sushi. Now, sushi isn't something you should usually have on Mondays, because the better places buy fresher fish on Tuesday morning, but I know a guy.
> Again, feel free to ask me any
> question or challenge me on any
> point I've made with SUBSTANTIVE
> information.
That's the thing, you haven't made any points with substantive information. I've begged you for some, but you can't be bothered.
YOU WON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED.
Everything you say is in a bubble that's fully isolated from the rest of the world... Isolated for Islam, and isolated for your readers. There's nothing to do, or say, or read, or measure. You guys are enjoying the Hell out of yourselves anyway.
This behavior is bizarre. It's like a blind teenage boy masturbating for a new starlet in a movie he'd never heard of. He hasn't seen her or met her or touched her, but friends say she has flaxen hair and velvet skin and pouting breasts... Boom! Fantasy City! You're into it!
> THAT guy doesn't scare me, because
> HIS book doesn't say "kill anyone who
> doesn't believe in Me".
Yew sher?
> You're in the film industry.
TV. A box in your living room... Tiny people on there dance and tell jokes. It's wonderful, and I think you should watch it about eight hours a day, like a good American.
> How many of these films will result in
> "church" officials calling for your death?
What year are we talking about? What region?
(Also, I think we need a new rule where no commenter is permitted to use quotation marks without getting permission from Gregg.)
> I get it that you think you
> are not at personal risk.
Well, not much. The nearest mosque is three miles away, and the ("Royal"!) Saudi Embassy is about ten blocks away. But for my own part, there's more to fear from the usual violent & youthful gangs of urban America. (See "Jets," above.)
> Don't know how you missed it.
Remember the Alamo! Because you're saying the response —America's and my own— to 9/11 has been insufficiently consequential, right?
I'd hate to put words in your mouth, Raddy, so speak up if there's some misunderstanding.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 3:17 PM
> All religions and ideology are
> designed to be viral systems.
☑ Verily. Commenters seem to believe that heretofore, all anyone ever had to do to escape authoritarian religion was say "No thank you"...
But this? It's something completely new and completely foreign and exotic and potent and WeCan'tEverAllow OurselvesToThink AboutAnythingBut What'sInThatBook BecauseEvenThough AdherentsAreAlmostAll IlliterateHillbillies WeHaveToPretend ThisTextHas UnprecedentedMagic.
"Oh my God, we are really screwed now..!"
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 3:18 PM
I'm being super serial. Crid you cannot be serious when you say "Why would you worry about that rhetoric less than Islam's?"
You fried some of my brain cells over a year ago over this point. By the end of our little exchange (longest I've ever had) I didn't even know what each of our points were. It took a week to rebuild my brain you asshole.
I still cannot grasp your issue with others' reaction to Muslims. Sadly, mine is with the Somali who like our frozen land. I feel relative safe because I do not live in a city, but I do carry when I go to town.
Dave B at September 22, 2014 6:28 PM
"☑ Verily. Commenters seem to believe that heretofore, all anyone ever had to do to escape authoritarian religion was say "No thank you"..."
I'll use your answer (you didn't answer Rad by the way - you sometime silly person) "What year are we talking about? What region?"
Dave B at September 22, 2014 6:36 PM
Cridmo, the Old Testament in that book might say so, but the people reading it DON'T ACTUALLY DO IT. Not anymore. See "Enlightenment".
Most of modern civilization understand that you don't go around killing everyone who doesn't think the same way YOU do.
Except Islamists, and ISIL in particular.
I love you, Cridmo, even though you blew off our summer tryst.
But these guys are serious and they mean western civilization as we know it serious harm. Because, well, NOT "Enlightened." And they don't WANNA be.
Flynne at September 22, 2014 7:28 PM
> I'll use your answer
Nope… Your usage is not authorized until you specifically acknowledge its meaning. You must explicitly concede that there's nothing new about fighting Islam.
(There's not much that's new about anything.)
Basically, you guys are saying you liked washing last night's dinner dishes more than you'll like washing tonight's.
That the chore is unchanged is unimportant to you... You merely prefer work that's complete to work not yet undertaken. And I'm all, like, well....
Amy stands beyond the kitchen door threshold, just inside the dining room, staring through to a sink full of plates, watching the tomato sauce harden. We're not allowed to suggest that anyone's had to deal with this before… Because tomato sauce!
She can't hear our chatter about effective detergents with pleasant fragrances… Can't fathom putting the dishes in hot water (pure, steaming and available for the twist of a knob)… Isn't impressed with the funky colors & playful design of the scrubby tool, with its flopping, oh-so-mildly abrasive tufts of artificial sponge.
And if you point out that there's a dishwasher at the end of the counter that you (and she!) have been using for years, that it's always performed well and is almost certainly in good working order, she'll accuse you of disregarding the deeply personal grace of her clever perception:
When you guys were kids, what did you think life was going to be like? Globally, I mean? What promises were made to you?
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 7:46 PM
> even though you blew off
> our summer tryst.
You make it sound like there was a choice. Your sweetheart made a quiet but convincing threat to turn my lights out... A little reminder about horsing around with women who already have partners. (He likes that cocktail dress, too.)
> these guys are serious and they
> mean western civilization
The Crips and the Bloods are just as serious, no more literate, and already so close to your home (and mine) that they needn't be grandiose in discussions about "civilization"; they know CNN won't broadcast their videos anyway. The world is full of nine-year-old boys in men's bodies who get a thrill out of threatening you.
You guys get a thrill from being threatened. Amy doesn't describe how this villainy will touch us any more than she'll talk about their history, their geography, their economics....
Scary men!
OK… Got it. Anything else? Anything at all?
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 8:02 PM
By the way, I predict another oil well in the Gulf is going to leak. OK? It's a foresight thing.
When Amy says, after the next terrorist attack, "AHA!," be sure and ask "Aha what?"
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 8:05 PM
Before Enlightenment,
Washing dishes, chopping wood.
After Enlightenment,
Washing dishes, chopping wood.
So, me being wise bought a dishwasher, stopped using the fireplace and bought a propane furnace.
Not sure who said this shit is new. I'm the one that says fuck with my cave people, I will kill your cave people and you. People needing to be killed is not new. Actually preceded the bible and any other old book. I think it's in the genes and jeans.
Dave B at September 22, 2014 8:13 PM
Reminds me of this.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 8:25 PM
Last winter almost killed me. No, really. Fell in a snow drift going down the hill to feed my horses and chickens. It was below 40 below, can ya dig it. Luckily my two Labs let me use them as leverage to get out of the drift. I'm sure my cats would have done so also but they don't come out of the house in even mild winters and they don't have enough body mass for my big frame.
Anyway,
I predict winter is coming soon. It may not be as cold as last winter. It may be colder. But, just like every other fall I get my winter gear ready.
I also have my arms ready in case some Somalis make a move outside my rules. I'm not predicting they will, but if they do, it won't be an old war with me it will be new and improved.
Dave B at September 22, 2014 8:27 PM
If you're urban, you're probably within 70 feet of a Christian with a book full of rules under which you should be punished. You're probably within a mile of a one of their churches. How will you sleep tonight? Deeply, I am certain.
Why would you worry about that rhetoric less than Islam's?
Because the Christian will wait for Our Loving Lord and Savior to punish me on judgement day, not cut my head off his own self.
Steve Daniels at September 22, 2014 9:05 PM
> Because the Christian will wait
> for Our Loving Lord and Savior to
> punish me on judgement day, not
> cut my head off his own self.
Only because he's been taught —by centuries of demonstration— that if, in the here and now, he tries to pull of that shit himself, we'll cut him down in the street before he can get his blade out.
Christians aren't nicer than other people; not by nature, and not by the typical reading of their text.
They've been tamed. (Cosh, paraphrasing: Pussified.)
You guys have forgotten how it went down.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 22, 2014 9:30 PM
The Crips and the Bloods are just as serious, no more literate, and already so close to your home (and mine) that they needn't be grandiose in discussions about "civilization";
No comparison. None. They are as complacent as the rest of us because they think they are untouchable. They, too, are lulled by the shinies the government allows them to buy. Not so ISIL. ISIL uses those shinies to recruit.
Your sweetheart made a quiet but convincing threat to turn my lights out.
Yeah, he does that sometimes.
You guys get a thrill from being threatened.
No, I get angry. VERY angry that these pissants think they're going to impose Sharia Law on the rest of the world. They're already getting a toe-hold in the U.K. The time to stop it is NOW.
Amy doesn't describe how this villainy will touch us any more than she'll talk about their history, their geography, their economics....
Of course she does, you're just not paying attention. Every time she quotes from the Koran, you say "nope, can't happen here!! But guess what? If it isn't stopped, and SOON, it can. Denial isn't gonna make 'em go away.
Flynne at September 23, 2014 4:53 AM
> They are as complacent as the
> rest of us because they think
> they are untouchable.
What? Who is? Street gangs in urban American are anything but complacent.
> the shinies the government allows
> them to buy.
Shiny what? Not following.
> ISIL uses those shinies to recruit.
Isil is a few thousand guys in pickup trucks. It's like Iowahawk said: In Texas, they'd have it mopped up by the weekend.
> Of course she does, you're just
> not paying attention. Every time
> she quotes from the Koran
What does quoting the Koran tell you about history, geography, or economics? Hardly the same thing, is it?
'Paying attention'? What the fuck? These are humanity's brats: They're children. Are they really the ones you want to be most afraid of?
> But guess what? If it isn't stopped,
> and SOON, it can.
No. This is not a movement in motion in modern hearts: You don't know anyone who's gone for it, either. No one. Nobody.
I can't imagine, cannot imagine, what this means to you. Maybe your lives are so tidy that you have to be terrified, or angry, to remember to pay attention.
> Denial isn't gonna make 'em go away.
What's to deny? Put it in a sentence.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 23, 2014 5:37 AM
Cridmo, we've been telling you, and right now, a lot of places in Europe are living it: Islam is a totalitarian system, masquerading as a religion, whose ultimate goal is establishing the New Caliphate world-wide.
We, the People, of this nation, have been lulled into complacency by toys ("shinies") that are all too easy to get, we've been lulled into complacency by multiple instant gratifications, we're freakin' spoiled, goddammit, even the Bloods and the Crips, because we haven't had it as rough as the people in the Middle East, dealing with all the crap they've been dealing with on their damn doorsteps. We've been LUCKY so far. And the fear just might be that maybe it's possible that the luck is going to, maybe not run out, but be challenged pretty damn soon. I don't want to see it happen, but with the asshats running our government right now, I was mighty gratified to see that they got their asses in gear for these airstrikes that are happening. It'll keep the wolves at bay for a while, but make no mistake: they're (ISIL) gunnin' for the U S of A. It ain't just little kids crossing the border.
Flynne at September 23, 2014 5:48 AM
Cridmo, we've been telling you, and right now, a lot of places in Europe are living it: Islam is a totalitarian system, masquerading as a religion, whose ultimate goal is establishing the New Caliphate world-wide."
Again, who cares? This is the most base kind of simplification of the issue.
Islam isn't the problem. Young, mostly poor male Arabs, steeped in the cultural of North Africa and the Middle East are the problem.
Their view of the world is quite similar to Nazi's view of the world.
You aren't going to stamp out Islam. There are over two Billion Muslims in the world.
So, stop focusing on it. It is a distraction from the real issue.
Only a tiny percentage of Muslims are fighting in the Middle East. And the various sects of Islam are as bent on killing each other, as they are the infidel.
The terrorism and the threats are largely done for show to try and scare the west away from intervening in their civil wars.
With an idiot like Obama in charge, it has worked quite well.
Isab at September 23, 2014 7:22 AM
> we've been telling you, and right now,
> a lot of places in Europe are living
> it: Islam is a totalitarian system
You don't sound wizened, you sound naive… WHO DIDN'T KNOW ISLAM WAS TOTALITARIAN? WHO? I've known it since I was old enough to ask, and be told, what a typical Arab life was like. Try and understand how all this dessicated rhetoric is perceived. Look at the 7th-grade girl sarcasm of Amy's blog post: "Civil liberties? Not under the Islamic caliphate." Who could be that naive? Who'd presumed civil liberties were a global norm?
Besides, you should speak for yourself: My American good fortune isn't the product of luck.
Nor is America's good fortune with immigrants. For most of your life, we've accepted more immigrants than the rest of the world combined... We've been at it for centuries. We're good at it from practice, not luck. We're much better than, say, the French.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 23, 2014 7:44 AM
> Islam isn't the problem. Young, mostly
> poor male Arabs, steeped in the cultural
> of North Africa and the Middle East
> are the problem.
Exactly. They're the Jets, only without production numbers. Never, never do they feel more potent and manly than when women like you and Amy take the time to be afraid of them.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 23, 2014 7:58 AM
Islam isn't the problem. Young, mostly poor male Arabs, steeped in the cultural of North Africa and the Middle East are the problem.
So, "Islam isn't the problem." it is "Young, mostly poor male Arabs, steeped in [Islam] are the problem."
???
lujlp at September 23, 2014 8:09 AM
2/2 got cut off
So Islam isnt the problem, just the people who follow it.
Whats the difference, practically speaking?
lujlp at September 23, 2014 8:11 AM
The problem with the Middle East is less about religion than it is about failed states.
Grievances escalate because the group not in power in the capital has no recourse but violence and revolution. Anger isn't redirected to the courthouse or the political arena, it's directed to violence against the offending group because it has nowhere else to go.
Young men are naturally angry. It's a phase. Properly channeled, that anger can produce artists, soldiers, athletes, politicians, inventors, and entrepreneurs. Left unchanneled, that anger can produce homicidal maniacs, street toughs, thugs, and violent revolutionaries.
Non-state organizations tempt angry young men with an offer to channel that anger and those young men eager to find an object for their anger join in droves.
From Christopher Chantrill's "It's Not 'Unwisdom', Peggy. It's Hubris" in American Thinker (the piece is actually about Obama, but this passage is applicable):
As long as the Middle East is nothing but a collection of failed states and petty potentates ruled by tribalism, it will be an incubator of violence and mayhem.
Conan the Grammarian at September 23, 2014 8:30 AM
2/2 got cut off
So Islam isnt the problem, just the people who follow it.
Whats the difference, practically speaking?
Posted by: lujlp at September 23, 2014 8:11 AM
You people are so desperate to simplify this issue to a 6th grade level social studies text, that you are becoming really obtuse.
Yes, Arab culture is essentially tribal.
And Muhammed was an Arab. Islam, as practiced by these people represents their tribal values.
Do you believe that Catholic terrorists killed Protestants in Northern Ireland (and vica versa) because they were Protestants, or was it because they were British?
Northern Ireland was an ethnic conflict.
The Middle East is a multitude of tribal ethnic conflicts.
Did you miss the part where there are over two billion Muslims in the world, and very few of them have common cause with the Arab terrorists fighting civil wars in the Middle East?
The outsiders running over there to join the fight, are the romantically deluded idiots, who think war is fun, because they have never been in one.
Culture drives religion, and values. The largest majority of Muslims in the world are not Arab.
Arab Ethnicity, and Arab culture, and a whole lot of *Oil* still left in the Middle East, are the problem here.
These people are not fighting over grazing rights for their Camel herd. This fight is about immense wealth, power, and control over natural resources.
They are killing everyone who gets In their way, especially fellow Muslims who are not making common cause with them.
What part of tribal warfare dynamics do you not understand?
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Arabs-Contemporary-Society-Interact-ebook/dp/B007P0MGDC/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1&qid=1411486898
Isab at September 23, 2014 8:45 AM
> The problem with the Middle East
> is less about religion than it is
> about failed states.
☑ Correct. (Well, states and cultures.)
> Culture drives religion, and values.
☑ Correct.
I knew I wasn't alone on here.
To fret over the text of the Koran with such masturbatory fervor is pointless. Jim Jones would have done as well as Muhammad.
Jim and Tammy Faye might have done as well.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 23, 2014 9:33 AM
"Jim Jones would have done as well as Muhammad."
I don't think that was so. Jim Jones withdrew and collapsed within his black hole and not trying to draw the earth in with him.
"Jim and Tammy Faye might have done as well."
Stretching there Crid. Con man/woman plain and simple.
I'm starting to see your point. But I still fail to see why you need to attack Amy for explaining Islam. I find her effort enlightening, not sky is falling as you appear to.
"WHO DIDN'T KNOW ISLAM WAS TOTALITARIAN? WHO?"
Me, he says sheepishly, until I listened to Amy. Do I need to be punished? I had a life to live and the Moslems weren't on my radar since fifth grade bible study until they started their cave man shit here, I never understood the Catholics vs. Protestants either. I seemed like to much work for something so far away - chalked up to one of the mysteries of the mind.
Dave B at September 23, 2014 10:52 AM
Crid, of course Christianity in its extreme forms is just as dangerous as Islam.
However, extreme Christians are not really a problem today. Sure, some exist, but they aren't really governing nations and setting up theocracies. Sure, some people would like to, but it isn't happening.
Now, if we lived a few centuries back, they'd be the greater threat. But we don't. If they start ransacking villages and strip malls and beheading Muslims/Jews/Atheists/Pagans, we will have something to worry about. But nowadays they mostly just whine on TV. Rarely, they bomb a clinic or other building.
NicoleK at September 23, 2014 11:18 AM
"However, extreme Christians are not really a problem today."
You have missed the point. Ideology is not the threat. It is nothing more than an organizational matrix, and it will be perverted and twisted to fit whatever goals the leader of any particular movement find helpful to the cause.
Religion is no more a threat than that gun in my drawer.
It is the thugs with one in their hand that you need to look out for. Twenty something idiots with time on their hands, looking for a cause, are the problem.
Their anti western, violent tendencies are a problem.
Islam is just the excuse.
You know Germany has a large Islamic population, just like France and England does. Many many Eastern European, and Turkish workers in Germany, and yet there is no Jihad or riots in the streets.
You know why? Because the Polizei will shoot them dead on the spot.
That is how you discourage Jihad.
Isab at September 23, 2014 12:10 PM
> why you need to attack Amy for
> explaining Islam
I don't think she does... I think she obscures it. It isn't the prissy legalisms of Islam's text which make it so appealing to its planet audience of illiterates. They didn't choose it from five competing worldviews.
> Con man/woman plain and simple.
As opposed to Muhammad? Given time and the temperate real estate, he'd have done a theme park.
> Me, he says sheepishly, until I
> listened to Amy. Do I need to
> be punished?
Only if you seriously, seriously believe it matters.... Only if you can review all the forces at work in the lives of violent Islam —illiteracy, poverty, political oppression, geographical isolation, absent natural sources, grim historical precedent— and then announce that the problem is a religious text that is rilly meen and hard for blog readers to appreciate. Because if you believe that....
> However, extreme Christians are
> not really a problem today.
Yes! I know.
!!
Why can't people take the point?
We have dealt with this before. There's nothing special about these clowns.
Y'know, I think of how a brassy broad like Flynne in her cocktail dress, or Amy in a boa, would respond to one of these socially & sexually incompetent men in they said something stupid on the streets of Roanoke (?) or Santa Monica... And something stupid is all they could ever say. These women would not be intimidated. They'd not be 'angry.'
These guys are heavy-breathers making prank phone calls.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at September 23, 2014 12:39 PM
"You make it sound like there was a choice. Your sweetheart made a quiet but convincing threat to turn my lights out... A little reminder about horsing around with women who already have partners. (He likes that cocktail dress, too.)"
I forgot to make comment on this earlier and your 12:39 comment reminded me. Cave man knows cave man's desires therefore takes preventive action. Way of the world.
Dave B at September 23, 2014 5:03 PM
Because if you believe that....
Point taken.
Dave B at September 23, 2014 5:06 PM
Did you miss the part where there are over two billion Muslims in the world, and very few of them have common cause with the Arab terrorists fighting civil wars in the Middle East?
Yeah, their trying to push Sharia in their respective countries though
lujlp at September 23, 2014 7:17 PM
Yeah, their trying to push Sharia in their respective countries though
Posted by: lujlp at September 23, 2014 7:17 PM
Yes, and all those shit hole countries have legal systems with wonderful American style constitutional protections now (not)
Sharia may very well be an improvement.
I have heard fundamentalists Christians in the US call for mandated prayer in public schools, and jail time for adultery.
If we didn't have a Constitution, we would be getting it good and hard from both sides of the Aisle.
One vote the other way on the Supreme Court would have interpreted the Second Amendment right out of existence.
Everyone wants the laws to conform to their values.
This is why a simple democracy is the most dangerous form of government. It usually leads to one man, one vote, one time.
Shit,half or more in the people in the U.S don't understand democracy.
Remember the woman who thought now that Obama was president, there was going to be free gasoline? That was back in 2008.
Yes, most of the world,* IS * that fucking stupid.
Isab at September 23, 2014 8:03 PM
Sharia may very well be an improvement.
Please tell me you're KIDDING with that sentiment.
...would respond to one of these socially & sexually incompetent men in they said something stupid on the streets of Roanoke (?)
New Haven, Cridmo. And yeah, I'll tell any incompetent asshat to leave me the eff alone, and I won't even have to brandish my sidearm (which goes quite nicely with my cocktail dress, thankyou!). The point I'm trying to make, is that there is already a large number of Islamists in the U.K. and elsewhere that are imposing their special brand of hatred towards anyone who isn't of their faith, and it's getting worse. To wit:
http://clashdaily.com/2013/08/british-girls-returns-to-her-home-town-which-has-been-invaded-by-aggressive-muslims/
Flynne at September 24, 2014 4:43 AM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_din
"Sharia may very well be an improvement.
Please tell me you're KIDDING with that sentiment."
No, I'm not, just because Sharia doesn't match you set of cultural values doesn't mean it wont work as a legal code.
Many countries have all sorts of rights on paper that are never enforced.
How comfortable would you be if you were arrested in Russia that the justice system would be fair, and impartial?
How bout Mexico?
Middle Eastern people have a long tradition of religious courts for certain matters. The Jews have them too. Link above.
I find it highly ironic that most people on this board, don't even expect the police and the courts in the U.S to respect your constitution rights, but get all weak kneed and panicked when someone says *sharia*
As far as you link, the British have become quivering multi culturist cowards. As I mentioned before, this doesn't happen in Germany, because German culture, and police don't allow it.
It will happen in the US if we allow it.
Isab at September 24, 2014 7:59 AM
Sharia Law was an improvement to the legal system before it, it apparently granted women MORE rights than they previously had in that region. (After all, inheriting half the amount your brother does is better than nothing)
So yes, it could be worse.
That said, we are not living in Arabia, 600 CE, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there aren't many legal systems worse than Sharia these days. Maybe the systems aren't well enforced, but that's another matter.
NicoleK at September 25, 2014 8:46 AM
Sharia Law was an improvement to the legal system before it, it apparently granted women MORE rights than they previously had in that region. (After all, inheriting half the amount your brother does is better than nothing)
So yes, it could be worse.
That said, we are not living in Arabia, 600 CE, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there aren't many legal systems worse than Sharia these days. Maybe the systems aren't well enforced, but that's another matter.
NicoleK at September 25, 2014 8:46 AM
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