Women Never Lie About Being Raped -- Except When They Do
Those who are all for the campus kangaroo courts -- basically, the student council deciding whether a "he said"/"she said" sex act is to be deemed sexual misconduct and having a guy expelled -- need to understand that "she said" should not automatically be assumed to be reliable.
Even the cops and prosecutors -- who should be the ones dealing with any sex crime accusation -- can be fooled.
In New York, a woman who falsely accused a man of rape, sending him to prison for three years, has finally come clean (after confessing to her priest).
Laura Italiano writes in the New York Post:
All this because she wasn't getting enough sympathy from her pals.Biurny Peguero Gonzalez concocted an elaborate story in 2005, claiming that a Bronx man held her at knifepoint as he and two pals raped her on a deserted street.
She lied to friends, doctors, police, prosecutors, grand jurors and jurors about how William McCaffrey and his friends kidnapped her from her parked car when she was blind drunk and attacked her.
But Gonzalez, now 27, had an astounding "facile ability to look one in the eye and offer up a falsehood," Manhattan prosecutors wrote in sensational papers released today.
Based almost solely on her testimony, McCaffrey was given 20 years in prison and spent the past three years serving time.
But Gonzalez lied -- driven by anger at her friends for not believing what likely really happened that night. She had gotten into a car with McCaffrey and his two friends and kissed him -- but grew afraid after she blew off his further advances and he erupted in anger, cursing at her and threatening to dump her out on the street, the papers said.
Yesterday, she turned herself in to Manhattan prosecutors and pleaded guilty to two counts of perjury for lying about the rape.
via @judgybitch1
Give her five years. If she's starts crying --audibly or moistly-- before they get her out of the courtroom, seven.
Maybe nine. We can talk about it.
'Lebben.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at October 4, 2014 7:08 AM
Since Ms. Gonzalez lied and got her victim sentenced to twenty years, I think that would be a fair punishment for her.
Plus a penalty for perjury.
Fatwa Arbuckle at October 4, 2014 8:27 AM
So from what I gather from the story, this was the conversation she had with her friends:
Gonzalez: ...and then that guy yelled at me and said he was going to kick me out of the car.
Friend: Are you sure that happened? You were pretty drunk.
Gonzalez: (Thinks, "I'm going to have to amp this up a bit.") And then he and his friends raped me!
Friend: Oh, my gosh! That's terrible! Let's see them rot in jail!
Fayd at October 4, 2014 9:10 AM
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at October 4, 2014 9:27 AM
I'd ask "what's wrong with people today???" but we already know the answer. I'm just glad she came clean and the man is going to get out. I hope he sues the pants off of her and anybody else he can. I also pray that his conviction is expunged or sealed so that he can start his life over. I'm just glad to see her getting charged with SOMETHING, as opposed to her many brethren (sisteren?) who have ruined men's lives by the score and walked off scott free.
bellflower at October 4, 2014 11:44 AM
Yes... "Sisteren." ☑
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at October 4, 2014 12:54 PM
I know this is anecdotal evidence, in that I have never seen any studies on it.
It has been my experience that both men and women will lie, in pretty much equal numbers, to get themselves out of trouble,
but by a favor of about ten to one, women are way more likely to deliberately lie to get someone else *in* trouble.
Men will back their friends up, and try and keep them out of trouble,
Women on the other hand, tend to rip each other apart, and will often go after innocent bystanders for the flimsiest of reasons.
Isab at October 4, 2014 4:15 PM
Punishing this woman is a catch 22. She deserves to be punished, but she came forward on her own and spared the man the rest of his ordeal. You do not want to discourage women from coming clean about such lies. You do want to heavily punish women who did not come clean but were caught in the lie.
Matt at October 5, 2014 7:28 AM
Amy Alkon
http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2014/10/04/women_never_lie.html#comment-5190917">comment from MattHer conscience was eating at her -- long afterward. Let's not give her too much credit for wanting to be out of psychic pain.
Amy Alkon
at October 5, 2014 7:37 AM
Her conscience was eating at her -- long afterward. Let's not give her too much credit for wanting to be out of psychic pain.
Yeah, she was trying to clear her conscience, but that this weighed heavily on her conscience should get her at least some credit.
Matt has a point. If we punish people who come forward about lying, then the incentive is clear: Keep your mouth shut.
Doesn't mean the man shouldn't sue her for all she's worth, though. This is what civil law is for. And she should absolutely be nailed for perjury.
MonicaP at October 5, 2014 8:50 AM
I know, I know. I deeply sympathize with the desire to throw the book at her and put her under the jail.
But I am deeply reluctant to give any incentive to a woman who has lied to not recant.
I want to encourage them to come forward. Even though it puts my teeth on edge.
Lamont Cranston at October 5, 2014 8:52 AM
I know, I know. I deeply sympathize with the desire to throw the book at [him] and put [him] under the jail.
But I am deeply reluctant to give any incentive to a [man] who has [raped] to not confess.
I want to encourage them to come forward. Even though it puts my teeth on edge.
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Yeah, [he] was trying to clear [his] conscience, but that this weighed heavily on [his] conscience should get [him] at least some credit.
Matt has a point. If we punish [men] who come forward about [raping], then the incentive is clear: Keep your mouth shut
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Punishing this [man] is a catch 22. [He] deserves to be punished, but [he] came forward on [his] own and spared the [woman] the rest of [her] ordeal. You do not want to discourage [men] from coming clean about such [rapes].
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All'y'all still good with your statements now that men are getting the breaks and women were the victims of the crimes?
lujlp at October 5, 2014 9:18 AM
All'y'all still good with your statements now that men are getting the breaks and women were the victims of the crimes?
Posted by: lujlp at October 5, 2014 9:18 AM
Yes. I think there still needs to be jail time - at a minimum, the time served due to, or that has elapsed since, the lie; or the minimum required for the fraud, or the crime originally at issue. Whichever of those is longer.
Michelle at October 5, 2014 11:30 AM
>>All'y'all still good with your statements now that men are getting the breaks and women were the victims of the crimes?
Yes, I'm not moved by your false analogy. If a man falsely accuses a woman of something and gets her thrown in prison based on his word, then I would see him get leniency should he come clean and get her freed.
Matt at October 5, 2014 12:00 PM
Even though one of the "benefits" of being imprisoned is the occasional rape?
lujlp at October 5, 2014 12:18 PM
She's not just responsible for his imprisonment, shes responsible for every assault he suffred while there, for the loss of three years wages, three years of lost dates, sex, and movies.
She kidnapped, and beat him for three years. She just used a proxy for her crimes
lujlp at October 5, 2014 12:21 PM
Not regardless of that fact - but to encourage people who have gotten away with fraud - or rape - to step forward and release the innocent from that particular hell.
There's no undoing the damage that has been done.
Michelle at October 5, 2014 12:40 PM
There's no undoing the damage that has been done.
Why punish anyone for anything then?
lujlp at October 5, 2014 4:10 PM
There's no undoing the damage that has been done.
Why punish anyone for anything then?
lujlp at October 5, 2014 4:10 PM
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