Has he done anything to "make it up" to his victims? No? Then fuck him.

45 days in jail for two assaults that rendered one man unconscious and cost another man an eye. Unbelievable, and even more unbelievable that this guy was able to forge a successful career with a two hate crimes* under his belt. Here's another thing. I have never heard about this before. When Marky Mark got famous just three years after he brutally assaulted two men for being of a different race from his own, was this publicized?

*I don't favor hate crime legislation. What does that make non-bias-based assaults, love crimes?

He's never apologized and has gone on record to say he no longer feels guilt because he goes to Church. No financial settlement for the man he maimed.

I think if he had fucked over a black man or a homosexual he wouldn't have the career he has now. Asians are an invisible group that don't matter.

He's a disgusting turd.

If you want to enjoy Hollywood movies or music I recommend you do not look into the type of shit these people do or just plain condone. No I'm not talking about sex and drugs. I'm talking about pedophilia, rape, torture and violence .

I am with Ppen, knowing too much about these people makes it hard to go to the movies or listen to music. He owes that man something and he should pay it.

Paging Hammurabi, please pick up the white courtesy phone.

He's a disgusting turd.

Indeed. If he's a good church goer, he'd realize that he owes them both something, one more than the other because he can not restore eyesight. Unless he's capable of performing miracles?

And to make amends of his own volition. Has he even sought their forgiveness? ah, yes, another good American Catholic whose spiritual growth isn't all that. I'll blame his priest who's listed on the petition.

Hint: seek forgiveness. Be ready to make the injured whole as best you can. Shows contriteness. I've reviewed your petition, and I see no mention of you reaching out to your victims, or their next of kin.

Random thoughts: There are two sides to this coin. Is there redemption. Has he atoned for his sin of violence against two people who did not deserve this. What was his state of mind when he committed these atrocious acts? Was he high on drugs or booze, was he fueled by a camaraderie of like minded assholes? By accounts it appears that he has done nothing to make it right with his victims. In a sense, his pardon or lack of it is moot, he has already won life's lottery. Having said that why? What will he get out of a pardon, perhaps the chance to get a concealed carry permit? Are there some other benefits available to him with a pardon that are not now? Why is he asking?

He's asking because if you feel you are not guilty of something wouldn't you want to be pardoned too?

Marky Mark is an equal opportunity hater. True, he is not known for assaulting gays, however, he did once applaud enthusiastically when fellow rapper Shabba Ranks vehemently condoned killing gays. When called on it, Marky Mark claimed that he wasn't applauding the sentiment; he was applauding Shabba Ranks right to say it.

Yeah, right.

Marky Mark is a dope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPrgD3KYA2c

No. This is not the person who should be getting a clean slate.

And I'm the guy in favor of de-felonizing nonviolent crimes and returning voting and firearms privileges to nonviolent felons.

Marky Mark is apparently a violent bigot and these crimes are serious, as serious as his failure to use his massive resources to atone for these life-changing assaults.

He deserved 3-5 years, not 45 days. He was lucky and shouldn't push his luck any further.

"My hope is that, if I receive a pardon, troubled youths will see this as an inspiration and motivation that they too can turn their lives around."

Bullshit! Troubled youth (aka: punk ass scum like Mark) will see it as a get out of jail free card for their thuggery.

> Random thoughts:

Yes. Yes they are:

> There are two sides to
> this coin.

No. The loss of eyesight is not zero sum, and is not fungible. That fundamental human blessing has been lost to its owner forever. That eyesight has been expunged from the cosmos: Its not in the possession of the one who took it, and it cannot be returned. It's not a "coin."

> Has he atoned for his sin of
> violence against two people who
> did not deserve this.

That's between him and those people. Wahlberg's prosecution is the property of the community that composed it, and we perhaps like it right where it is.

> What was his state of mind
> when he committed these
> atrocious acts?

If he wasn't in appropriate and demonstrable fear for his own immediate survival, I don't care/

> Was he high on drugs or booze,
> was he fueled by a camaraderie
> of like minded assholes?

Again, I don't care. Each of us chooses our drugs and our friends, and can't pass off the effect they have on us as someone else's responsibility.


> He's asking because if you feel you
> are not guilty of something wouldn't
> you want to be pardoned too?

I can't tell from your wording, but...

If you're not guilty, you want exoneration, not pardoning. If I were accused of raping Martha Washington, I wouldn't be mollified if President Obama gave me a pardon and said We're going to let it slide this time, little fella.

I'd want the prosecution vacated: She was dead 157 years before I was born.

It's not the same thing.

> Amy Alkon at December 5, 2014 8:04 AM

I cannot, cannot, cannot believe it hadn't occurred to you that Wahlberg was in moral debt to his victim.

He's never apologized and has gone on record to say he no longer feels guilt because he goes to Church. No financial settlement for the man he maimed.
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Ugh. Makes me even more grateful for people like Sam Harris.

It also reminds me, in a way, of an anecdote about Eleanor Roosevelt's visit to an old German friend, Carola von Schaeffer-Bernstein - after WWII. From Joseph P. Lash's book:

"When Mrs. Roosevelt sadly remarked on Europe's tragic situation, her friend quickly replied, 'It was everybody's fault. We are all to blame. None of us has lived up to the teachings of Christ.' "

Of course, E.R. wasn't going to let her get away with spreading the blame that thinly, even if she wasn't about to destroy the friendship either.

More on that, if you like:

http://www.gwu.edu/~erpapers/maps/Eu46.html
(scroll 2/3 down)
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If you want to enjoy Hollywood movies or music I recommend you do not look into the type of shit these people do or just plain condone. No I'm not talking about sex and drugs. I'm talking about pedophilia, rape, torture and violence .

Posted by: Ppen at December 5, 2014 7:28 AM
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Exactly, which is why I'm very glad I'm far more likely to see a movie by watching a free library DVD than I am to see it at the theatre. Or that I'm more likely to get a CD, if any (the radio is usually enough for me) at a yard sale or a thrift store than anywhere else.

There is NO reason to give your money away, out of ignorance, to people who come from a group that, all too often, very much needs to prove that they are NOT criminals. Some stereotypes, alas, are more true than others when it comes to entertainers. Not to mention politicians, etc.

The "Cracked" website had a 2013 article titled:

"5 Beloved Celebrities Everyone Forgets Did Terrible Things"

Let's just say I am now very glad that I never paid for a Led Zeppelin album (EVEN at a yard sale), an Eric Clapton album, or a Sean Penn movie. (Motley Crue would definitely be out of the question - I don't remember enjoying the music anyway.) I don't remember paying for any Dickens books either, offhand, even though I received plenty of them. (But then, his works are, of course, in public domain.)

Frugality has endless benefits.

I am really surprised he did such a violent crime. While putting my lights up, I was listening to old Graham Norton shows on my iPad and Wahlberg was on one of them. He mentioned his prison stint. I remember hearing about his trouble with the law before, but I always assumed it was for stealing or drugs. The fact that it was such a violent crime and he only received 45 days and he thinks that was fair? At the very least, all of the Funky Bunch and Calvin Klein money he earned soon after his incarceration should be forfeited to this man. I know it won't bring an eye back, but it could set the guy up for life.

Wow. He should forget the pardon, which probably had more to do with other activities where a felony is an issue rather than clearing his name. One of the reasons I dismissed his "record" before is, like Vanilla Ice, I thought the record was more for street cred for his early rap career.

Yeah, that's kind of a problem. There's a think stratum out there that wants to think that jail or other punishments have fulfilled his responsibilities to the aggrieved.

> as serious as his failure to use
> his massive resources to atone for
> these life-changing assaults.

Well, whatever his sins, you and I have no business deciding how he should spend his money. Court can fine people for many crimes, and for all we know he paid money for this one, on top of the jail time.

But the fact that he's wealthy doesn't mean he's extra-guilty. If he'd been a failed and impoverished actor, as the vast majority of actors are, his crime would be no less horrible, and the blindness of the victim no less burdensome.

"But the fact that he's wealthy doesn't mean he's extra-guilty"

No, of course not - it just means that he has extraordinary resources.

Where's his clinic to help people who have lost their sight due to violence? Or his save-an-at-risk-kid foundation? Give the judge something to consider.

I wonder if there is a time frame in which civil action must be taken. Why can't the injured parties sue him in civil court for a settlement? Any lawyers here know the answer?

Here's Marky Mark explaining that (1) he doesn't masturbate and (2) unlike those pussies who let the terrorists win on 9/11, he would've saved his flight with his bare hands.

Terrorize THIS, terrorists!

Scroll down for punditry re: Marky on the Titanic, Marky in WWII, etc.

Damn. And I used to think being a celebrity would be great.

I'm not a lawyer and live out west, but the Mass. General Code 260 indicates a statute of limitations most for civil suits arising from criminal acts of three years with the exceptions of oral contracts (6 years), written contracts (20 years), and enforcing court orders (20 years). There are some things, like suing for back wages, limited to one year:

See Section 2A and 4 at the following link:

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIII/TitleV/Chapter260

Gog, I still think you're holding him to a different standard because it's fun to imagine spending his money.

" Why can't the injured parties sue him in civil court for a settlement? Any lawyers here know the answer?" - Nelson Struck

I'm not an attorney, but his victims were Vietnamese. From my experience, Vietnamese people are not as prone to filing lawsuits, even when they are right to demand restitution. My wife wanted to sue our old landlord for not repaying our entire deposit. Her parents, who are from Vietnam, were able to convince her otherwise.

Why seek a pardon? What does he get out of it?

It is not like this record has keep him from moving forward with his life.

It isn't like removing this from his record will some how or other help him get work like others with criminal records have a harder time finding work because of their criminal past.

No, what does he want? Someone to tell him that he really is a good guy? Or others to sort of say it really didn't happen?

It sound to me like he has become just another Hollywood type who thinks the world revolves around him. That sort of makes him unchanged from his "troubled youth" days.

Pardon or no pardon - he still did what he did. And he is in no way a "role model" to help other youths turn their lives around.

On a positive note, he's involved in some sort of youth assistance program/foundation but - from what I've read - needs the pardon to participate in a restaurant or chain venture of some sort.

Someone versed in California law can school me on this. I'm awfully busy giggling at the thought of spending his money for him and have no time for intellectual rigor right now.

Dood, I'm just sayin'...

While no student of comparative religion, it's my understanding that the Jewish approach to charity is that everybody is supposed to do it. A rabbi once said that if you're so poor that you're starving and naked in a rainstorm, and you walk under a roof and someone hands you a slice of bread, you're expected to pull off a piece and pass it to the next guy —who has none— before you take a bite. Everyone is expected to set aside some of their wealth for those less fortunate... 10% of one's income, if I remember correctly. There's nothing special about the rich, and there's nothing special about the poor... everyone.

So what difference does it make if this guy happens to have made a few profitable films? Somewhere out there is a convicted criminal who hasn't done as well after putting a man's eye out.... He's washing dishes or doing day labor and struggling for peanut butter. When he asks for a pardon, you'll want evidence of his charity as well, won't you? Will your first thought be that he should have given as much as Marky Mark to the poor? Does the outcome of his life direct your thoughts about his ">redemption?

> from what I've read - needs the
> pardon to participate in a
> restaurant or chain venture of
> some sort.

Ah.........

Bungled linkosaures.

Why seek a pardon? What does he get out of it?

It is not like this record has keep him from moving forward with his life.

It isn't like removing this from his record will some how or other help him get work like others with criminal records have a harder time finding work because of their criminal past.

Posted by: Charles at December 6, 2014 11:08 AM

Yes and no.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/07/mark-wahlberg-s-pardon-plea-a-look-back-at-his-troubling-violent-and-racist-rap-sheet.html

By Marlow Stern.

First paragraph:

"The actor-entrepreneur wants to expand his Wahlburgers fast food chain but is running into licensing problems, so he wishes to be pardoned for his past crimes. But they’re not pretty...."