Canadian Man Faces Six Months In Jail For Disagreeing With Women On Twitter
Yes, really. And no, that is not an exaggeration.
Pass a law and it can be used -- sometimes to help people and sometimes to hurt people. Laws curtailing free speech are some of the most dangerous and damaging.
For example, Canada's draconian anti-harassment laws are being used against a man who merely disagreed with feminist activists on Twitter.
Paul Joseph Watson writes at informationliberation:
54-year-old Greg Elliott could be charged with criminal harassment simply for expressing his opposition to a campaign by activists Steph Guthrie and Heather Reilly to publicly shame a young man in Northern Ontario.Father of four Elliott was arrested in 2012 and fired from his job as a graphic designer after he opposed Guthrie and Reilly's plan to generate "hatred on the Internet" targeting the designer of an online video game which allowed players to simulate punching feminist blogger Anita Sarkeesian in the face.
Elliott felt that the two activists' plot to publicly shame the young man "was every bit as vicious as the face-punch game," and could cause the young man to commit suicide, urging Guthrie and Reilly not to follow through.
Guthrie and Reilly then claimed that Elliott's refusal to endorse the plot (he had previously helped Guthrie's feminist group by offering to design a free poster), represented "criminal harassment."
Under Canada's draconian anti-harassment laws, the victim merely has to claim that the offending conduct made them "fear for their safety."
In other words, if Elliott is convicted, feminists in Canada could claim that anyone who disagrees with or offends them is engaging in "criminal harassment" and demand they be sent to prison.
Guthrie and Reilly also claimed that Elliott was engaging in harassment merely for tagging them in tweets. At no point did Elliott make any remarks directed at the two that could be construed as sexual harassment, hate speech, or violent rhetoric, according to Toronto Police Detective Jeff Bangild.
Now, playground meanness seems to have become illegal for adults in Canada:
The very worst comment that Elliott made in reference to the activists was a tweet in which he indirectly referred to the women as "fat" and "ugly".
Here's the National Post's Christie Blatchford on this:
And Blatchford in the Nat Po:
After hearing closing submissions Tuesday from Chris Murphy, who represents 54-year-old Greg Elliott, Ontario Court Judge Brent Knazan is expected to rule on Oct. 6.In the balance rides enormous potential fallout for free speech online.
Who would have believed that the world would be doing such a U-turn from from civil liberties in 2015?







"Now, playground meanness seems to have become illegal for adults in Canada."
Not at all. For the bullies, it's perfectly legal. What has been made illegal is fighting back. Mark Steyn faced this a couple of years ago and he eventually won, but relating back to what "Wolfman" wrote on another thread yesterday, the bullies know that for every target that fights back, a hundred can't because they don't have the resources. Thus, even if the law or the courts eventually rule against them, the bullies are going to keep doing what they're doing -- the government will not prosecute them because it agrees with them (and in a lot of cases, the bullies themselves are the prosecutors), and no court will find them in contempt because they are all of a tribe and tribe comes first.
We see a literal implemention of this all the time in primary schools now. If a child fights back against a bully, best case for the victim is that both will be held equally at fault. More often, the bullies' parents (who are often influential people in the community) make a stink, and the bully walks while the victim is punished.
Cousin Dave at July 16, 2015 6:53 AM
If this isn't overturned, the people need to rise up and reverse it themselves.
jdgalt at July 16, 2015 7:39 AM
You proceed from a false assumption, that free speech is an absolute right in Canada. It isn't. As jdgalt proposes, it is up to the people of Canada to fix that fault in their Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
I R A Darth Aggie at July 16, 2015 7:56 AM
He didn't just disagree; he came to the defense of someone else who was being harassed!
For that he deserves applause - not criminal charges.
charles at July 16, 2015 8:34 AM
I followed the linked word "worst" in your post, and read some arguably worse comments from the guy. He replied to their tweets even after they banned him and made mention of their physical location, indicating he was following them, and had a history of doing so with charges by another woman as well. Sounds like a pretty legitimate case of harassment to me.
Allison at July 16, 2015 8:45 AM
Sounds like a pretty legitimate case of harassment to me.
Why didnt the guy the feminists were harassing likewise file a complaint against them?
lujlp at July 16, 2015 9:02 AM
The one that designed the video game where you punch the woman in the face? If the harassment of him occurred and was similarly serious, he probably could. The linked article seems pretty disingenuous, so I'm not taking the author's word about it.
Allison at July 16, 2015 9:51 AM
so...
troll/countertroll
what part of this rises to criminal harassment, exactly?
Interestingly, I've seen this very often in groups where their interests are similar, but they had a falling out... and then one decides to punish the other. And that was all in meatspace, where there were trumped up restraining orders and counter orders, and what came damn close to swatting.
Sometimes humans suck, and sometimes they don't, but adding a law doesn't make them suck less.
A new law or rule often gives the sneakier person the hammer that they always needed to really rule over another person, so who is the good, who is the bad?
In terms of what CousinD said about kids and bullies... happened to me as a kid, happened to my son as a kid. When I eventually crossed paths years later with the bully... he remained a scrawny kid, and I had grown into a bear. I didn't have to do anything, and he avoided me as if I would retaliate. But of course, that is the best revenge, I didn't have to lay a finger on him, his brain, and worrying over it was the punishment.
My kid on the other hand, had enough and put the bully on the floor. Got kicked outta that school, but $5 says the bully is more careful now, for well or ill. I had a long conversation then with my son about how people can manipulate you into breakng rules, so that you end up in trouble, and then the school or govt. does all the dirtywork.
He is much less naive about being in the right. Sometimes it isn't enough.
SwissArmyD at July 16, 2015 10:08 AM
Yes, these MRA and radical feminist types are the same people using the same weapons to try and gain the upper hand in a battle they mostly imagine. When I was in college, they beat us over the head with the 1 in 4 statistic and how OMG, look at this horror story we dug up happens all the time take this laundry list of life limiting precautions to avoid the same fate crap. Now they do the same thing to men using the threat of false accusations. Same old crap, different slant. The rest of us should ignore this silly stuff, it's bad for the mind.
Allison at July 16, 2015 10:20 AM
Insulated as we are in the United States, we forget that we enjoy a level of Constitutionally protected freedom that is unparallelled in the world. This includes the Western World.
Our First Amendment rights and our concepts of personal liberty are not shared with Canada, Great Britain, or Europe. While we have a legal history concerned with protecting the rights of individuals, the rest of the "free world" has a history, and tradition, of protecting society from the individual.
Joe Hurley at July 16, 2015 11:30 AM
Between this stuff, the sex wars and the incessant demand for eggshell treatment, bad-acting women seem like they're trying to make all women too risky for men to be around.
But since most women seem to approve of the gender policing, or be apathetic, there's not much men can do about it.
TMG at July 16, 2015 11:45 AM
I think the headline from your other post is equally applicable to modern feminism:
'How Social "Justice" Is Actually Social Stalinism'
Lobster at July 16, 2015 2:24 PM
Joe Hurley is a correct and it's a point worth reiterating, because a lot of you don't seem to get it.
It's simply this: regardless of what restrictions you think we live under, the U.S. has the freest speech in the world. No one does free speech like the U.S.
The U.S. has always observed free speech as an individual right. Other nations see it as more of a collective right. Their governments get away with placing far more restrictions on speech (even as they claim free speech) than we ever could.
Though we should vigilant. The liberal contingent of the SCOTUS would just love to get their hands on a case that would allow them to observe free speech like our neighbors to the north.
Patrick at July 16, 2015 2:46 PM
You are correct, we need to be vigilant. There is a danger that if this fascist brand of feminism is allowed to fester and grow in the US (and it has!), that they will attack our free speech rights here too. Yet it seems if you call yourself a 'feminist' you get a free pass from society and are automatically hailed as a hero and above criticism.
Lobster at July 16, 2015 3:27 PM
I blame all them big-boned gals from Southern Alberta.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at July 16, 2015 4:55 PM
"big-boned gals from Southern Alberta"
Just curious. Do they have southern accents like my Alabama cousins?
Bob in Texas at July 17, 2015 5:11 AM
When I was in college, they beat us over the head with the 1 in 4 statistic and how OMG, look at this horror story we dug up happens all the time take this laundry list of life limiting precautions to avoid the same fate crap. Now they do the same thing to men using the threat of false accusations. Same old crap, different slant. The rest of us should ignore this silly stuff, it's bad for the mind.
Only difference being, Allison, all research shows 1 in 4 women raped is a lie ad college campuses are the safest place for women to be
But the incidents of men having their lives derailed and going to jail are quite true
You may as well tell people 'stop worrying about the fake reports of tiger attacks, and you can ignore those fake stories about cops shooting dog as all that video evidence is faked'
lujlp at July 17, 2015 4:17 PM
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