> Bridget Johnson quotes from
> the latest ISIS magazine
> at PJM:

For the love of God, why bother?

Do you think their publishing is what makes ISIS worth fighting?

The idea that violent Islam is a contagion of accelerating attraction to modern people --beyond those disaffected teens (males all) who want live violent lives anyway-- is ludicrous. To imagine that tony, condemnatory literary reviews will countermand them is inane.

Bad marks, Achmed! Weak allusion, and errors of tense and number!

Crid, I think you've missed the point. "Their" literature says the only option is submit or die. No middle ground. Lots of folks don't want to accept that fact.

That stance, even if embraced by a small percentage of Muslims is completely at odds with the entire Bill of Rights.

> "Their" literature says the
> only option is submit or die.

Ah! Their literature.

Well then...

Dafuq? Seriousballs?

> Lots of folks...

YesYesYes, that's Amy's pretense too, her enemy-is-everywhere, speaking-truth-to-power daydream to license all this rhetoric... Tilting at Windmills has a proud new century for a playpen.

New stories of rape and savagery are heard out of Europe this morning, specifically England, and the New York Times has finally kicked out some numbers for "unaccompanied minors" in Germany. So far as I can tell, no thoughtful observer needs to condemn Islam as the source of this monstrous misconduct when it's the national heritage of these kids, or the lack of meaningful heritage of any kind, which offers the best explanation.

A few weeks away from haircut, but I'll be sure'n look for the latest ISIS Weekly at my Pico Boulevard barbershop next time... Those Hispanic kids go nuts for that stuff.

In whose salons, on whose coffee tables, are these dastardly works of rhetoric finding a receptive audience? Tabriz? Riyadh? Damascus? Copenhagen?

Only Amy's place: She wants something to talk about, and they're answering the need.

Crid makes a persuasive case, except for all the dead people. But keep pretending it's not happening. Hitler was a joke when he marched into the Sudetenland.

Talk about coming across as unhinged. Get a grip Crid. Seriously? This didn't make you laugh? I hate to describe a joke (it always kills the humor) but even murderous thugs find the 'religion of peace' people annoying, idiotic, and whinny.

Ya, Crid. You're on the atheist fringe yourself. If ISIS could find out where you congregate, like they did with the sodomites . . . Well, there you go.
Bookstores. I'll bet it's bookstores.

"Their" literature says the only option is submit or die. No middle ground. Lots of folks don't want to accept that fact.

That is the point, and that is what Islam is all about. Until we stop living with an idea of fantasy Islam, we cannot do a thing about actual Islam.

Crid, what new stories did you see this morning? I haven't seen anything since the Priest.

For some reason the Priest attack kept me awake more than the other recent ones did... I know it was only one person, but somehow the symbolism of it really freaked me out.

is the point, and that is what Islam is all about. Until we stop living with an idea of fantasy Islam, we cannot do a thing about actual Islam.

Amy Alkon at August 2, 2016 6:23 AM

So how are you going to identify them so you can be appropriately suspicious and cautious around Muslims?

Yellow crescents pinned to their clothes perhaps?

Your unicorn dreams about changing the world through *envisioning things differently* is a pipe dream.

The 1960's is calling, and they want their drugs back.

"So how are you going to identify them so you can be appropriately suspicious and cautious around Muslims?"

Follow the money.

Follow the culture.

Follow the individuals teaching/training/influencing the killers.

It's called data mining.

"So how are you going to identify them so you can be appropriately suspicious and cautious around Muslims?"

Follow the money.

Follow the culture.

Follow the individuals teaching/training/influencing the killers.

It's called data mining.

Bob in Texas at August 2, 2016 11:21 AM

Assuming that is even possible with 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Many of them largely unconnected to the Internet and without any kind of verified ID.

(Just as a side note, do you possibly have any idea how to tell the difference between the Muhammad Hussein who is the Petroleum Engineer from Qutar, and his 4th cousin, the terrorist from Yemen?)

You don't? Me neither.....

What then? What do you actually *do* that we aren't already doing? Let's hear your radical plan, that no one in the world has ever thought of before because *data mining* just sounds so damn smart.

Although I hesitate to jump into today's Crid-fray, I do have one small quibble:

"those disaffected teens (males all) who want live violent lives".

Not true, amazingly enough. There have been numerous reports of young women who have left home to embrace life in the New Caliphate.

Not true, amazingly enough. There have been numerous reports of young women who have left home to embrace life in the New Caliphate.

Jay R at August 2, 2016 12:25 PM

They aren't the fighters. They are the camp followers. Also known as sex slaves.

But I bet if we forcibly tagged everyone in the world with a microchip we could *data mine* the shit out of them, and stop this idiocy.

We'll all remember the exact moment in 2016 when we looked across the electoral landscape and recognized that a plurality or perhaps a majority of our voting peers are children, and not the bright kind: They're incapable of mulling nuanced, ironic or contradictory truths of any sort. With no college educations and certainly no adult patterns of reading for pleasure, they're cocooned in a feckless, late-1982 pattern of Lettermanesque sarcasm, much like a farm-raised fratboy hoping to get away with a tuxedo T-shirt at the wedding of a distant friend, prepared for nothing so much as instantaneous denial of affiliation. With no track record for authentic, properly-groomed ideas, with no baseline of sincerity or even meaningful individuation, the desperation of their poses and the pointlessness of their enemy-husbandry will accurately identify their utility as tools of manipulation by both the right and left. They've never done anything for anyone, electorally or otherwise, but they want history to record that By Golly, they're all pissed off, and that they're convinced without evidence that they're carrying insight which others can't fathom. And history will record this presumption on their part... It doesn't flatter them now, and it won't impress anyone later, but they are on record.

> except for all the dead
> people. But keep pretending
> it's not happening.

That's inane, as is Cback's spittled twerping about "bookstores." It offers no narrative flow or points of discussion. It's unresponsive to what came before, and confounds all reply. What the fuck do you want? Do you care about anything? How would we know? Why would we care?

> I haven't seen anything
> since the Priest.

Then you haven't been paying enough attention to diverse sources of information... The assaults have been essentially unending. The deepest character of this crisis, from mid-2014 and perhaps even earlier, is that governments and media have suppressed news about immigrant violence in a demented belief that to do so is to be kind to the newcomers & little people, with whom those public servants and journalists cannot anticipate personal interaction of any kind. (Hillary very badly wants to be the Merkel of North America.)

Steyn, and very few others, have been articulating this course of events on the continent with plainspoken prescience since shortly after 9/11. You should Google, or look up his books on Amazon. Hitch died while pointedly declining to challenge Steyn's predictions, though he didn't eagerly join them, either... Fucker was always something of an optimist.

The European horrors Amy is often too busy to describe are very real—— Thousands of rapes (individually and in nearly Continental tandem), savage murders, and antisocial grotesqueries of nearly indescribable wretchedness. It's really, really bad out there.

Amy wants to pretend it's all about Islam, that she might feign learnedess and authority without actual scholarship or personal investigation, asking only that we might "be informed and honest about the dictates of Islam so we can do something about it," with no greater grasp of, or even consideration of, practicalities & personalities.

Big Picture, I think we could do better, could hold our public servants to greater accountability, and could better prepare for the pitiless victory which Western Civ will indubitably deliver to the forces of primitivism flowing out of the troubled, often-Muslim nations... But smirky preening of the kind offered by both host and guests here doesn't convey seriousness; it conveys childlike neediness.

I think those social thrills are better achieved by things like laser tag, contention for Pillsbury Bake-Off ribbons, and being the 87th caller during morning drive on Hot Rock 93.7 the Buzzard.

But meanwhile, you tweezy little bee-yotches, don't pretend that you're thinking it all through, that your allegiance was ever available for harvest, or that you've even done the reading.

"...So we can do something about it...."

Nuts.

What to do?

Well, given that a baseline of 25% of muslims in western countries support sharia law being inflicted on everyone, and this number is even higher in other countries we know there is a better than 25% chance that any incoming muslims support terrorism, either implicitly or explicitly.

Serious question here - name any other demographic with a 25% rate of overthrowing our government?

Well, given more than one in four inbound muslims wants to overthrow the US government hows about we stop letting them in without vetting them first?

Damn, Crid. You aren't much for taking a joke today.
At least we got out of you that these barbarians who claim Muslimhood are definitely a problem.
Hoping for accountability from public servants is like Californians praying for rain.

"We'll all remember the exact moment in 2016 when we looked across the electoral landscape and recognized that a plurality or perhaps a majority of our voting peers are children, and not the bright kind"

You only now noticed? Most of us have known this for decades.

> At least we got out of you
> that these barbarians who
> claim Muslimhood are definitely
> a problem.

You are that thick: The penetration of meanings through English text is incomprehensible to you.

We knew this.

Twats without boundary.

"(Just as a side note, do you possibly have any idea how to tell the difference between the Muhammad Hussein who is the Petroleum Engineer from Qutar, and his 4th cousin, the terrorist from Yemen?)"

Well I do admit that President Carter totally screwed our ability to gather human intelligence in the ME.

But I do believe that with effort and time we can and have created a database of background information of the "killers", who taught/inspired them,and who funded them.

How is this impossible with such an isolated ("killers") group and the resources we have?

What's the big deal? It's not the first large database we've encountered and won't be the last.

Comments are getting brutal!

For those that needs some balls to continue ...

https://ymaa.com/publishing/balls/taichi

How is this impossible with such an isolated ("killers") group and the resources we have?

What's the big deal? It's not the first large database we've encountered and won't be the last.

Bob in Texas at August 2, 2016 4:08 PM

if you knew more about the culture and the living conditions in the Middle East you might get a better idea how difficult this would be.

You want to essentially track a billion people who live in a non technological world, many of who have no steady job and no fixed address. And out of this enormous number, identify less than half of one percent who *might* become terrorists, and then, and then, do what? Preemptively incarcerate them? Send them a strongly worded letter that they can't read? What?

>The penetration of meanings through English text is incomprehensible to you.

Crid, I try. We all try. Sometimes your stunning mental acuity doesn't interface well with your skill at explication. Take yesterday's example - We were talking about Melania Trump.

"Eye of the beholder, Babe... No."
And you linked to a map of Pasadena. You lost me in Pasadena. Rose Bowl Princesses? A cultural meme?

Honestly Isab I'd be satisfied with just not denying and covering up Islamic terror events. Stop the stupid 'religion of peace' bullshit. When someone writes in volume about how they want to kill all westerners take a chance and believe them.

Some in the government are doing all they can to keep us safe. But many are doing all they can to push a stupid ideology.

Honestly Isab I'd be satisfied with just not denying and covering up Islamic terror events. Stop the stupid 'religion of peace' bullshit. When someone writes in volume about how they want to kill all westerners take a chance and believe them.

Some in the government are doing all they can to keep us safe. But many are doing all they can to push a stupid ideology.

Ben at August 2, 2016 6:49 PM

I don't think very many people in the US are fooled. But thinking you can predict future terrorists based on something as generic as the fact that they are Muslims, is just stupid.

It is as dangerous and adolescent as assuming that all men are sexual predators, and it also attacks people's fundamental beliefs.

You don't win hearts and minds this way. All you do is get their back up.

> I try. We all try.

Naw. What we get, EVERY DAY, with no description of underlying principles, is "except for all the dead people." A joke about a joke as if we all remember the background and buildup, except no such discussion (or mirth) ever happened.

That was cute in the commercial: "...And polio!" He wasn't seriously trying to convince people he had insight that others lack.

"Pasadena" is the Hollywood joke: The agent is compelled by doubt or studio politics to let his starlet read the script even though he wants her to "take a pass" on the opportunity, so he puts a yellow stickup on the front page:

   Emma—
          Pasadena.
                    —Maury

I love sarcasm. I love sarcasm more than almost anything. But if it comes without any grounding of sincere meaning, it needs to be much funnier than it ever appears to be... Here.

(Letterman got away with snarking at bimbos because when a genuinely talented person came by —Ringo or Coppola or Admiral Hopper— he was as sincere and humble as you'd have wanted him to be.)

[Crid:] Amy wants to pretend it's all about Islam, that she might feign learnedess and authority without actual scholarship or personal investigation, asking only that we might "be informed and honest about the dictates of Islam so we can do something about it," with no greater grasp of, or even consideration of, practicalities & personalities.

Reality bites.

[Crid:] Amy wants to pretend it's all about Islam, that she might feign learnedess and authority without actual scholarship or personal investigation, asking only that we might "be informed and honest about the dictates of Islam so we can do something about it," with no greater grasp of, or even consideration of, practicalities & personalities.

Reality bites.

I don't give a shit about being fooled Isab. But when INS and customs agents are instructed to ignore blatant evidence of a desire to harm Americans because 'that's racist' I get a little cranky. Even what Trump called for is not what people are pushing back against. He said he wanted to shut down all Muslim immigration until we got a handle on our own bureaucrats. Would you be happier if he said Arabs or specific middle eastern countries? But when the FBI classifies a guy shooting things up shouting allahu akbar as 'workplace violence' people lose faith in their competence.

"Would you be happier if he said Arabs or specific middle eastern countries?"

Yes. Because it would be more honest and more effective.

The PC. Idiocy in this country is a large part of why the panic became all about Islam as opposed to young middle eastern and North African males.

"You want to essentially track a billion people who live in a non technological world, many of who have no steady job and no fixed address. And out of this enormous number, identify less than half of one percent who *might* become terrorists, and then, and then, do what?"

This is what I said:
"Follow the money.

Follow the culture.

Follow the individuals teaching/training/influencing the killers."

You are not that obtuse so I'm not sure what your angle is. It's not trying to solve a simple problem that's for sure.

Simple because I don't want to change their culture. I don't care about the ignorant shepard in the field. I just want to cut the snakes' heads off where they are (rich enough to not be in the desert).

What do you want?

Yes, Jeff, exactly. Sarcasm before anything, always to convey that YOU PERSONALLY, through some unseen principle that even you don't have the brains to express in a sentence, can see the truth as no one else can.

It's childish. Not persuasive. You want people to think you're an asshole, and we do. Anything else?

What do you want?

Bob in Texas at August 3, 2016 5:57 AM

I want the government to go after terrorists, preferably where they reside and train, and not use Islam as a short cut to identifying the enemy.

I generally find the people screaming the loudest about Islam are the ones who are into handwringing, as opposed to any kind of actual suppression of terrorism.

The people you think can be data mined into identification, can't be. Once Isis controlled significant access to the oil fields they were off the radar, as are their recruits.

The international banking system designed to protect the jet setters from the tax man also protects the terrorists from easy identification.

I don't think you have a clue as to the impossibility (not just difficulty) of getting to these people through any other means than boots on the ground. When they start losing militarily, the romance of joining the cause tends to dry up.

Many of the terrorists are protected by rouge governments, and others, who may not agree with their tactics, but have a lot to gain from the instability they create,

[Crid:] Yes, Jeff, exactly. Sarcasm before anything, always to convey that YOU PERSONALLY, through some unseen principle that even you don't have the brains to express in a sentence, can see the truth as no one else can. .

DaFuq?

Your rants are as ranty as they get. Which means they are also where reality goes to die.

Islam is a huge problem in Europe -- the reality that should have bit you, but to which you have overpowering antibodies, is that adherents of exactly one religion believe that they have divine imprimatur to ram their beliefs down everyone else's throats.

Which, for those of you at home in the Crid audience failing to keep score, has heck all to do with me.

(One would think -- in sad futility -- the absence of first person pronouns would be a clue.)

Of course, you are the expert on Islam, so you can tell these Muslims how they got it wrong:

After the attacks in Orlando (USA), Dhaka (Bangladesh), Magnanville, Nice, and Normandy (France), and Würzburg and Ansbach (Germany) led to the martyrdom of twelve soldiers of the Caliphate and the deaths and injuries of more than six hundred Crusaders, one would expect the cross-worshipers and democratic pagans of the West to pause and contemplate the reasons behind the animosity and enmity held by Muslims for Westerners and even take heed and consider repentance by abandoning their infidelity and accepting Islam. But the fever and delusion caused by sin, superstition, and secularism have numbed what is left of their minds and senses. Their hedonic addictions and heathenish doctrines have enslaved them to false gods including their clergy, their legislatures, and their lusts. As for worshiping the Creator alone and following His Final Messenger g, then that is beyond their consideration. Instead, they wage war against what entails both their welfare in the worldly life and their salvation in the Hereafter. They wage war against their Creator, His word, His law, His Messenger, and His slaves.

And they shamelessly confess their disbelief
in His wisdom, mercy, and justice, by thinking
that the Lord c would abandon His religion and His
slaves to the tyranny of His enemies and their evilness.
And despite their wretched condition of ignorance
and arrogance, we take this occasion of multiple massacres
inflicted upon their citizens and interests to call
them once again to the religion of pure monotheism,
truth, mercy, justice, and the sword. Between the release
of this issue of Dabiq and the next slaughter to
be executed against them by the hidden soldiers of the
Caliphate – who are ordered to attack without delay
– the Crusaders can read into why Muslims hate and
fight them, why pagan Christians should break their
crosses, why liberalist secularists should return to the
fitrah (natural human disposition), and why skeptical
atheists should recognize their Creator and submit to
Him. In essence, we explain why they must abandon
their infidelity and accept Islam, the religion of sincerity
and submission to the Lord of the heavens and
the earth.

"Islam is a huge problem in Europe -- the reality that should have bit you, but to which you have overpowering antibodies, is that adherents of exactly one religion believe that they have divine imprimatur to ram their beliefs down everyone else's throats."

No, tribalist Muslims are a huge problem in Europe. And their behavior is pretty much the norm for tribal middle eastern cultures.

Also the norm for pretty much everyone for the last 20,000 years of human history.

Don't know if you are aware , but the concept of freedom of religion, was something that developed during the enlightenment, and cultural self determination and freedom from religion (still not accepted by the majority of humans on this planet) is a concept even more recent than that.

Why you would expect people who come from primitive slave cultures where might makes right, to understand, and then adopt western values overnight is the mystery.

Why you would expect people who come from primitive slave cultures where might makes right, to understand, and then adopt western values overnight is the mystery.

Oh, gosh. I dunno. Africans seemed to have managed it pretty well. And indigenous Americans. Chinese and Japanese, too.

As well as practically every culture that isn't Islamic.

I don't know if you are aware, but the Ottoman empire collapsed much more than overnight ago. Or that Islamic culture has been stagnant for nearly 500 years. Or that fewer books have been translated into Arabic in the last 300 years than into Spanish in the last year.

All of which, I am sure, are uncaused effects.

"Oh, gosh. I dunno. Africans seemed to have managed it pretty well"

I guess you haven't paid any attention to the crime statistics in places like London, Paris, Chicago, Johannesburg, and Capetown if you believe that.

The most violent cities in the world are not Muslim

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html

Isab, I guess you haven't paid any attention to the subject of this thread.

Hint: ideologically driven pre-meditated mass murder isn't the same as crime in Chicago.

It's true. You can look it up.

Hint: ideologically driven pre-meditated mass murder isn't the same as crime in Chicago.

It's true. You can look it up.

Jeff Guinn at August 3, 2016 10:45 PM

Your claim was that Africans and Amerinds from primitive tribal backgrounds had no problem adopting western cultural values, unlike Muslims.

Crime rates in world cities and crime rates among Muslims and in Muslim cities indicate that claim is patently untrue.

Crime rates in world cities and crime rates among Muslims and in Muslim cities indicate that claim is patently untrue.

No, your deciding that crime and ideologically motivated mass murder are the same indicate that you can't tell soup from nuts.

Hint: crime is driven by material gain in the here and now. Islamic mass murder is driven by gain in eternity.

Pro-tip: they aren't the same.