"[T]he adult/caregiver must supervise the child during the entire library visit by keeping them within their line of sight. If a child under 10 years of age is unattended and an adult/responsible caregiver cannot be located within 5 minutes, library staff will call the Beaverton Police Department."
Milo has said he plans to dress up as “mattress girl” Emma Sulkowicz when he speaks at Columbia University next week as part of his “Dangerous Faggot” tour.
Speaking of foul beaks, It’s getting weird o̶u̶t̶ back there.
Crid
at November 8, 2016 10:28 AM
from IRA's article:
"Why should I give up two hours on a Saturday, sitting in the library waiting, so my son can use a 3D printing program? Isn't it okay for us to have separate interests?"
I bet the library had enough of babysitting kids acting out.
It's not like they get paid to do that, but DINKs that now have kids just want to live their lives.
Bob in Texas
at November 8, 2016 11:34 AM
This is damn good advice:
Yeah. I’m old enough to sleep alone now. My shrink, Willie Nelson, has advised me not to get married under any circumstances. He says that would be a very big mistake; don’t do it. Have fun, be friends with the women that you meet, but don’t get married. And he also told me, if you fail at something long enough, you become a legend. When I lost the governor’s race, he told me, “Fortunately, we’re not in control.”
I bet the library had enough of babysitting kids acting out.
_______________________________________
Very likely.
Skenazy said "I get that some children can be ill-behaved. But why punish all children who want to come to the library by making access taboo until they hit double digits? Teach, punish, or ban the kids who can't control themselves, and let the other kids come in and, you know, read."
But, from the comments:
deeco|11.7.16 @ 9:43AM|#
I'm all for free range kids, but this seems to be a case of the library getting tired of a bunch of ill mannered children running wild, judging by the rules. Involving the po-po is overkill though. However, a lot of parents don't believe their little tykes capable of bad behavior, so this may very well be a case of the library being totally fed up with providing free babysitting services.
southernsara|11.7.16 @ 9:49AM|#
Exactly what I was thinking. More of an "annoying kids" policy than a "safe kids" one.
Robert|11.7.16 @ 11:44AM|#
That's probably what it is, along w a desire to avoid political or legal consequences for judgmentally identifying certain kids or families as the troublemakers. So they have a rule they can enforce just as selectively, but with deniability, because nobody's going to complain about NOT being kicked out; this way if they ARE kicked out, the law is on the side of the kickers-out.
mad.casual|11.7.16 @ 10:04AM|#
1. You think if the issue were that the library wanted well behaved kids or wanted kids to behave they could communicate such, possibly even naming names, rather than having to run them all off under threat of police involvement.
1. This assumes librarians not to be inarticulate busybody f---------.
DRM|11.7.16 @ 11:14AM|#
It would be a better world if it could be couched in behavioral terms, but that's not actually effective as a practical matter. There are too many a------ parents for simply communicating to work, and all "naming names" does is get those a------- angry and shouting and calling City Hall and threatening lawsuits.
An official safety policy lets you call the police every time some big asshole drops off their little a------ for free day care while they go shopping, while being able to tell the big a------ that no, we're not ruining her day by persecuting her precious little Ritalin-crazed demon from the pits of Hell for no reason (the "no reason" being his loud tantrums and property destruction), oh no, we're just looking out for his safety from predators, she doesn't want her child kidnapped and molested, does she?
(end)
Check out Hrod's advice to his wife, too. I expect to see that happen, someday.
Not to mention: It's probably safe to say that the library wouldn't be doing this if they thought they'd lose too many disgruntled parents and kids as patrons. Chances are, they'll get BACK quite a few adult patrons who had complained about kids' bad behavior. Maybe some of those patrons are parents too!
Of course, the staff probably also did some math on the question of whether they can afford even one lawsuit in the upcoming year, whether it's about an accident, a pedophile, or accusations of racism - whether the accusations are true or false. If they can't afford it, what else are they supposed to do?
And here's a 1991 example of why businesses and government institutions have to do whatever they can to keep up a clean image.
This letter is the first of three on the same subject:
"Dear Ann Landers: That letter from the Montana reader who complained that a motel keeper wouldn`t rent a room to a teenager because he wasn`t 'of age' burned me up. Here`s how it looks from my side of the registration desk.
"I worked in a hotel in North Carolina for several months. Our age requirement for guests went from 18 to 21 to 27, after several 'young adults' trashed their rooms. When I say trashed, I don`t mean wet towels on the carpets and a broken lamp or two. I mean they knocked holes in the wall trying to remove the fixtures, ripped out the telephones, tore up the carpeting and sneaked out in the dead of night without paying their bill.
"Another group of young people were selling drugs out of our place. It didn't help business any when the police showed up to make arrests. We suspected something was odd when carloads of friends came to ``visit`` at all hours of the night. We finally told them to leave after several guests phoned the desk to complain about the noise.
" 'Montana' said it was unfair to allow a few bad apples to spoil the barrel. I agree. But when the majority of problems are caused by people under 25, the hotel must take whatever steps are necessary to save its reputation, not to mention the business itself. This means we have to keep the troublemakers out. The only way to do it was to raise the age limit, which we did. By the way, we noticed that the people who got upset about the age limit being raised were the very ones who caused the trouble to begin with. We know because we kept a list."
lenona
at November 9, 2016 12:40 PM
And, if you like, here's the letter from "Montana."
"Do these hotel and motel owners expect a 20-year-old business traveler, an 18-year-old Marine or a 17-year-old student driving to college to sleep in the street?...
"...Under Montana`s laws, no one older than 18 may be discriminated against except in the sale of alcoholic beverages. People younger than 18 have the same rights as adults except for laws enacted for their protection. If anyone is refused a motel or hotel room in Montana because of age, he or she should notify the authorities and ask that the proprietor be prosecuted. States that don`t already have laws barring discrimination against young people in public accommodations should enact them at once..."
(end)
BTW, the previous link had this from another clerk:
"I`d like to suggest to parents whose college-age sons or daughters need lodging on the way to or from school that they phone us ahead and make reservations. Just give us some idea as to the arrival time. I cannot think of a person in this business who would not welcome such a call and greet your children with open arms."
(Though I'm not sure why that would make the clerks any more trusting of unaccompanied young adults.)
http://terminallance.com/2016/11/08/terminal-lance-november-8th/
I R A Darth Aggie at November 8, 2016 6:34 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/07/local-library-will-call-the-cops-if-pare
I R A Darth Aggie at November 8, 2016 6:41 AM
Troll level: Grand Master.
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/milo-yiannopoulos-to-dress-up-in-drag-as-mattress-girl-for-his-columbia-university-event/
I R A Darth Aggie at November 8, 2016 6:43 AM
Publicity Stunt
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/11/08/lady-gaga-accused-of-dressing-like-a-nazi-at-hillary-clinton-rally/
Sixclaws at November 8, 2016 7:28 AM
Speaking of foul beaks, It’s getting weird o̶u̶t̶ back there.
Crid at November 8, 2016 10:28 AM
from IRA's article:
"Why should I give up two hours on a Saturday, sitting in the library waiting, so my son can use a 3D printing program? Isn't it okay for us to have separate interests?"
I bet the library had enough of babysitting kids acting out.
It's not like they get paid to do that, but DINKs that now have kids just want to live their lives.
Bob in Texas at November 8, 2016 11:34 AM
This is damn good advice:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/music/kinky-friedman-on-elections-we-don-t-know-who-the-hero-is-until-the-ship-sinks-8881557
I R A Darth Aggie at November 8, 2016 1:18 PM
I bet the library had enough of babysitting kids acting out.
_______________________________________
Very likely.
Skenazy said "I get that some children can be ill-behaved. But why punish all children who want to come to the library by making access taboo until they hit double digits? Teach, punish, or ban the kids who can't control themselves, and let the other kids come in and, you know, read."
But, from the comments:
deeco|11.7.16 @ 9:43AM|#
I'm all for free range kids, but this seems to be a case of the library getting tired of a bunch of ill mannered children running wild, judging by the rules. Involving the po-po is overkill though. However, a lot of parents don't believe their little tykes capable of bad behavior, so this may very well be a case of the library being totally fed up with providing free babysitting services.
southernsara|11.7.16 @ 9:49AM|#
Exactly what I was thinking. More of an "annoying kids" policy than a "safe kids" one.
Robert|11.7.16 @ 11:44AM|#
That's probably what it is, along w a desire to avoid political or legal consequences for judgmentally identifying certain kids or families as the troublemakers. So they have a rule they can enforce just as selectively, but with deniability, because nobody's going to complain about NOT being kicked out; this way if they ARE kicked out, the law is on the side of the kickers-out.
mad.casual|11.7.16 @ 10:04AM|#
1. You think if the issue were that the library wanted well behaved kids or wanted kids to behave they could communicate such, possibly even naming names, rather than having to run them all off under threat of police involvement.
1. This assumes librarians not to be inarticulate busybody f---------.
DRM|11.7.16 @ 11:14AM|#
It would be a better world if it could be couched in behavioral terms, but that's not actually effective as a practical matter. There are too many a------ parents for simply communicating to work, and all "naming names" does is get those a------- angry and shouting and calling City Hall and threatening lawsuits.
An official safety policy lets you call the police every time some big asshole drops off their little a------ for free day care while they go shopping, while being able to tell the big a------ that no, we're not ruining her day by persecuting her precious little Ritalin-crazed demon from the pits of Hell for no reason (the "no reason" being his loud tantrums and property destruction), oh no, we're just looking out for his safety from predators, she doesn't want her child kidnapped and molested, does she?
(end)
Check out Hrod's advice to his wife, too. I expect to see that happen, someday.
lenona at November 8, 2016 2:44 PM
Freakin' Canucks...
Crid at November 8, 2016 3:50 PM
3:32pm PST
Good lord
Crid at November 8, 2016 7:32 PM
7:32... keyboard twitching for some reason
Crid at November 8, 2016 7:33 PM
For our amusement:
http://conservativevideos.com/women-hate-hillary-clinton-guess-went-video/
mpetrie98 at November 8, 2016 7:46 PM
A concise explanation of the Electoral College.
http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/07/why-the-founders-created-the-electoral-college/
mpetrie98 at November 8, 2016 8:29 PM
More of The Stuff That Never Happens (TM):
http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/07/on-eve-of-election-americans-should-take-voter-fraud-seriously/
mpetrie98 at November 8, 2016 8:53 PM
Not to mention: It's probably safe to say that the library wouldn't be doing this if they thought they'd lose too many disgruntled parents and kids as patrons. Chances are, they'll get BACK quite a few adult patrons who had complained about kids' bad behavior. Maybe some of those patrons are parents too!
Of course, the staff probably also did some math on the question of whether they can afford even one lawsuit in the upcoming year, whether it's about an accident, a pedophile, or accusations of racism - whether the accusations are true or false. If they can't afford it, what else are they supposed to do?
And here's a 1991 example of why businesses and government institutions have to do whatever they can to keep up a clean image.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-09-21/entertainment/9103110767_1_young-adults-motel-room-dear-ann-landers
This letter is the first of three on the same subject:
"Dear Ann Landers: That letter from the Montana reader who complained that a motel keeper wouldn`t rent a room to a teenager because he wasn`t 'of age' burned me up. Here`s how it looks from my side of the registration desk.
"I worked in a hotel in North Carolina for several months. Our age requirement for guests went from 18 to 21 to 27, after several 'young adults' trashed their rooms. When I say trashed, I don`t mean wet towels on the carpets and a broken lamp or two. I mean they knocked holes in the wall trying to remove the fixtures, ripped out the telephones, tore up the carpeting and sneaked out in the dead of night without paying their bill.
"Another group of young people were selling drugs out of our place. It didn't help business any when the police showed up to make arrests. We suspected something was odd when carloads of friends came to ``visit`` at all hours of the night. We finally told them to leave after several guests phoned the desk to complain about the noise.
" 'Montana' said it was unfair to allow a few bad apples to spoil the barrel. I agree. But when the majority of problems are caused by people under 25, the hotel must take whatever steps are necessary to save its reputation, not to mention the business itself. This means we have to keep the troublemakers out. The only way to do it was to raise the age limit, which we did. By the way, we noticed that the people who got upset about the age limit being raised were the very ones who caused the trouble to begin with. We know because we kept a list."
lenona at November 9, 2016 12:40 PM
And, if you like, here's the letter from "Montana."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-06-05/features/9102190964_1_dear-ann-landers-laws-baby
Excerpts:
"Do these hotel and motel owners expect a 20-year-old business traveler, an 18-year-old Marine or a 17-year-old student driving to college to sleep in the street?...
"...Under Montana`s laws, no one older than 18 may be discriminated against except in the sale of alcoholic beverages. People younger than 18 have the same rights as adults except for laws enacted for their protection. If anyone is refused a motel or hotel room in Montana because of age, he or she should notify the authorities and ask that the proprietor be prosecuted. States that don`t already have laws barring discrimination against young people in public accommodations should enact them at once..."
(end)
BTW, the previous link had this from another clerk:
"I`d like to suggest to parents whose college-age sons or daughters need lodging on the way to or from school that they phone us ahead and make reservations. Just give us some idea as to the arrival time. I cannot think of a person in this business who would not welcome such a call and greet your children with open arms."
(Though I'm not sure why that would make the clerks any more trusting of unaccompanied young adults.)
lenona at November 9, 2016 12:52 PM
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