Fodder For Allah
Incredible, terrible story of parents sending their little girls, 7 and 9, off to be blown up for Allah. The Daily Mail piece by Julian Robinson reports:
This is the moment jihadi parents kissed their daughters goodbye shortly before one of them walked into a Syrian police station and was blown up by a remote detonator.Footage shows a male fanatic lecturing the two children, seven and nine, about how to carry out suicide bomb attacks before they are embraced by a woman in a burka.
A short time later, the seven-year-old is thought to have walked into a police station in Syria's capital, Damascus, before being killed in an explosion.
With music in the background and sitting in front of a black and white flag, the ranting extremist holds the girls in his arms as he brainwashes them.
...A short time later, on December 16, a seven-year-old girl calmly walked into a Damascus police station before being killed in a bomb blast that also injured three officers.
...In one video, the mother repeatedly hugs the seven-year-old, named as Islam, and the older girl, named as Fatima.
A man behind the camera asks the woman why she is sending her daughters to jihad when they are so young.
She replies that 'no one is young when it comes to jihad as every Muslim is supposed to participate in jihad.'
What does Islam teach about violence?
Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
Meanwhile (click on link for video):
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Yeah, they're real proud of those parents, bravely sending young children out to do their dirty work for them. How about if you want to commit an act of terrorism by suicide bombing, you do it your own fucking self.
Cousin Dave at December 21, 2016 6:27 AM
I would feel much better if the government(s) would embrace a simple philosophy (similar to Israels I believe) based on the below. I believe it covers what the majority of people in general want. Those that actively disagree will eventually be taken care of as time permits.
1. We do not care what/who you believe in. Your culture is not germane to our laws.
2. We will identify the originator of violent acts and those that support them and/or those acts. Your culture is not germane to our laws.
3. We will prosecute/kill these parties regardless of current location/country using a definition of "terrorism/war" which suspends many "legal" requirements of "proof of innocence". Your culture is not germane to our laws. (P.S. this is why we have lawyers on the payroll.)
4. We do not care what/who you believe in but please read 1 and 3 above again.
5. We believe every non-violent party wants a safe environment for themselves and their children. Again, your culture is not germane to our laws.
6. Have a nice day which is ultimately everyone's goal.
Bob in Texas at December 21, 2016 6:43 AM
"Peace will come when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us." ~ Golda Meir
As long as hatred is the all-consuming uber emotion of the Middle East, nothing anywhere is sacred ... or safe.
Because the Islamists exalt in killing their own children, defeating them will require violence and brutality. I don't think we in the West are ready to become what it will take being to defeat this ideology.
Conan the Grammarian at December 21, 2016 6:55 AM
Waiting for Crid to come striding in and give us an articulate lect... rant about how beliefs don't matter.
Jeff Guinn at December 21, 2016 9:15 AM
Maybe it's a true story, but is the Daily Mail the only source for the basics on this? If so, something smells rotten.
lenona at December 21, 2016 9:17 AM
"Your culture is not germane to our laws."
I like that a lot, and would add "religious beliefs":
"Your culture or your religious beliefs are not germane to our laws."
Kevin at December 21, 2016 10:03 AM
Yes, this story is true. It was reported the day it happened that it was a seven year old girl. These are the "rebels" that people want to us to help over there in their fight with Assad. As far I can see, this is an internal matter and we have no business being involved. There is no upside in this for us. I don't care that the Russians are involved. That is their choice and I don't see a strong strategic upside for them either. Iran and Syria will kiss their ass no matter what bc they have no other choice. As sad and sick as this all is, we shouldn't commit US time, talent, or treasure to ending it.
Sheep Mom at December 21, 2016 10:32 AM
Agreed that it is a horrible and futile act. But nobody sees the win-win here. The girl won't grow up in war-torn Syria (the destruction aided by U.S. efforts under the current administration). And she won't grow up to be a hate-filled jihadi reproducing more like herself.
Pity about the policemen.
Canvasback at December 21, 2016 12:27 PM
Two thoughts:
First, in the Muslim world they are "just" girls. The parents will get more for their suicide bombing than trying to keep them alive. Saddam used to pay families of suicide bombers; now Iran does (Thanks Obama, you've freed up more money for that). So, maybe the parents are hoping to cash in on "useless" girls. Note to U.S. feminists: There, right there, is a real war on women!
Second, "meanwhile" The IDF and Israel, in general, have done more for Palestinian civilians than any Arab leaders have. Palestinians know they can get medical treatment in Israel hospitals. It isn't the Israelis the ordinary civilians in Palestine need to fear, it is the Muslim fanatics who will kill them if they find out Palestinians went to Israel for help.
charles at December 21, 2016 6:36 PM
Those cute little girls looked so innocent and Western in their coats and caps and matching scarves. I'm sure glad we don't have cowardly jihads like their parents living here in the U.S., what with all the screening the government imposes on immigrants and refugees.
An ordinary elementary school or toy store would be a sitting duck for someone like that. How would you fight them? The TSA?
Ken R at December 21, 2016 7:15 PM
Pop Quiz: If you add up the T's in the words "trite" and "pretentious," how many do you get?
If you guessed [C.], you passed the test.Crid at December 21, 2016 9:07 PM
> rant about how beliefs don't matter.
Cite?
Nope, only your own (vapid) responses.
This is a thing you do, where you harp on a particular set of words, always short and unremarkable and nowhere in evidence, as if someone were contesting them.
It's rilly rude... Especially towards those of us who are clear with both our understanding and our rhetoric.
Play fair or what the fuck.
Crid at December 21, 2016 9:26 PM
Waiting for Crid to come striding in and give us an articulate lect... rant about how beliefs don't matter.
The man doesn't disappoint!
Amy Alkon at December 22, 2016 6:48 AM
I didn't realize a statement of the blindingly obvious required a cite, but thanks ever so much for providing one.
(Which is pretty much the least ranty thing there.)
Why is it that places where militant Islam thrives are very much like it was 700, 1400 or 2100 years ago? Why is it that the Islamic world has translated fewer books into Arabic in the last 300 years than Spain does into Spanish in a single year?
Jeff Guinn at December 22, 2016 7:03 AM
That statistic uses pan-Arabic, not local Arabic. Most people read in local Arabic and use pan-Arabic when on the hajj or reading the Koran. People in Syria speak a different dialect of Arabic than people in Libya or Morocco. And their books are not published in pan-Arabic, but in the local lingo.
Kind of like how English is spoken in Canada, Australia, the UK, and the US, but we still have trouble understanding each other (lift = elevator, nickers = panties, etc.). And how books published in the UK are not sold directly in the US because of copyrights, binding issues (European books are bound upside down from US ones), and other considerations.
I don't know how many books have been translated into local Arabic in the dozens of countries that speak Arabic; it may still be less than the number translated into Spanish in Spain (or even Spanish in Mexico, another less literate part of the world).
Conan the Grammarian at December 22, 2016 10:09 AM
> I didn't realize a statement
> of the blindingly obvious
> required a cite
Jeff, are you just trying to be a cunt? I never said what you say I said.
What the fuck do you want?
Crid at December 22, 2016 10:42 AM
Yes, you did:
Leaving aside that it is nearly impossible to make sense out of the torrent of virtually fact-free vitriol you spew on this subject, you did make a brief moment of sense here: the Islamic world is centuries behind.
So what the fuck do I want?
Something like a reasoned account of why that is, instead of a spittle-flecked rant that has succeeded in one thing only: perfecting your already impressive ranting skills.
And perhaps some acknowledgment that Islam really is a problem.
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Conan: talk to the UN; it's their stat. And pretty damning one among many.
Jeff Guinn at December 22, 2016 11:48 AM
Keep in mind, too, Jeff, that Spain was a culturally isolated dictatorship until the early 1980s. It's not surprising that it would translate lots of books in a short period of time, books that were banned by the government until Franco's death and Juan Carlos' solidification of power and transition to democracy.
Conan the Grammarian at December 22, 2016 1:47 PM
You keep posting passages of me saying other things... You're running a fully solipsistic salon in there. It's either drunkenness or lunacy.
Knock yourself out.
Crid at December 22, 2016 11:25 PM
Hmmm. Hypocrisy much?
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[Jeff Guinn:] Islam's theological rigidity is a bug
In other words, Mankind has never seen anything like this before!...
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at February 16, 2015 12:12 AM
You're still too horny to believe that Christianity tamed itself.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at February 16, 2015 9:28 AM
[Crid:] And I think this immersion may be the root of your presumption about Islam.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at February 17, 2015 11:06 PM
'But golly!,' you say, 'That's not how I read their book!
Your wordy responses are never specific: This part is unprecedented, or That part is unforeseen. You won't go on the record. You don't want anything.'
You don't think about the enormous number of generations who suffered under it, even though many do even today. You like to think of it as the fluffy, casual choice it's been in your own life…
You're the one pretending Christianity's docility was foreordained.
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at February 19, 2015 10:14 PM
Weird that someone so quick to fault Kaplan's reporting for imaginary arguments antithetical to those he actually offered
Crid [CridComment at Gmail] at February 23, 2015 4:33 PM
Jeff Guinn at December 24, 2016 2:24 AM
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