I know that kind of kids and the kind of parents they tend to have.
They get super-angry when you're not letting their runts touch things, and go all stuck-up acting that they can afford anything their brats break.
But.. If it actually happens? Ooooh.. It always goes like this: It's not MY fault that MY kid broke it! It's YOUR responsibility to keep an eye on MY child!
The dad wants to pay for it but the mom is stubborn to not pay for it, she goes curled lip, head tilted, and wants a game of chicken to see who relents.
Sixclaws
at November 17, 2017 5:03 AM
Electronic Arts have spent the past week fighting off a cavalcade of negative press following details of their microtransaction model for Star Wars Battlefront II. Current estimates of total content acquisition come to $2,100 or 4,500 hours of in-game play time, with a requirement of around 40 hours of in-game play time per character.
We've all seen the cartoon showing how back in the 60s kids got yelled at for bad grades and now teachers get yelled at instead. No one really objects to this characterization. It is mostly valid. The only real question is why things changed. So I'm going to climb on my soap box and claim it is because no one trust teachers anymore.
Think about it. By 2010 Gen X and Millenials have finished school and are now having kids and putting them into the public education system. And how did that public education system treat them? Any sixth grader with basic mental functions knows you don't bring up Republican or Conservative points at school. Your grades will fall if you do. Political parties are inherent parts of the education system today. Gen X and Millenials all went through the self esteem movement. Teachers were institutionally required to lie to their students. Often in the most blatant and stupid way. How people reacted to 12 years of institutionalized government lying varies. But everyone knew we were being lied to. Also back in the 70s there was a hard push to get all the god stuff out of the schools. It was a well meaning effort to get all the magic thinking and superstition out of education. Unfortunately it failed. There is still just as much magical thinking going around today as there was 100 years ago. But now the magic thinking is unhooked from society. Instead of organized magic thinking we have disorganized magic thinking. So parents no longer share that same irrationality with teachers. And honestly teachers don't even share it among themselves.
So as I said above, no one trust teachers anymore. No one believes that 'F' was earned. I've talked with my parents and grandparents and they couldn't believe how much things had changed from when they were in school. It isn't the parents that changed. It was the teachers.
Agree, disagree? Thoughts?
Ben
at November 17, 2017 6:08 AM
"By 2010 Gen X and Millenials have finished school and are now having kids and putting them into the public education system. And how did that public education system treat them?"
Y'know, I had not thought about it that way, but that's a great point. We know that a lot of primary education in the U.S. is crap these days, and not up to the standards of previous generations. I recall the early '80s when the "teachers are underpaid" trope was getting started. Back then, it may have actually been true, at least in some districts. A bunch of money got spent (and a bunch of property taxes raised to do it) to increase teacher salaries. The theory was that increasing pay would attract more qualified teachers.
That's a solid theory in a free market. But public education isn't a free market, and hasn't been for a long time. (And private education, truth be told, is not much better overall.) Ed schools and unions pushed through new requirements for teacher certification, to ensure that the supply would be short and districts would have to increase pay without getting better quality teachers. The combination of bad actors changed the standard from "teachers should be competent in the subjects that they teach" to "teachers should be competent in teaching", which shut out of the market every prospective teacher who had not gone through the ed-school mill and gotten the union stamp of approval.
I have a female acquaintance, who is now in her 70s (and she's still ballroom dancing!), who taught here in the early 1960s, at a time when the city was growing rapidly. There was a desperate shortage of teachers. She has told me: "Back then, if you had a degree of any kind, you could teach." There were lots of teachers who taught in the morning and worked in industry in the afternoon, or vice versa. And if you were a tax-paying citizen of the district, you could, after arranging it with the school principal, go into classrooms during the day and observe students being taught, or even work it out with the teacher to do a guest lecture.
In short, schools were a part of the community then, instead of being the insular, opaque creches that they are today. I don't know how we get that back. The charter-school movement has managed to do it in some areas, but the political opposition to that is so formidable that I don't know if it will ever be able to grow much more than it already has. I'm of the opinion that the public school system is unreformable, and needs to be either blown up or bypassed.
Cousin Dave
at November 17, 2017 6:43 AM
From the Sephora link.
Nelson claims in the post that the display was destroyed by a "small child," though she admits that she never actually saw the child do it.
"We walked in right as a lady and her kid were hustling out of there," Nelson told INSIDER. "The glittery footprints helped us decipher it was a tiny human."
Not destroyed by a tiny huuumaan, but by the alleged adult. Potato, potahto.
I R A Darth Aggie
at November 17, 2017 7:02 AM
Assimilation and its discontents, pint-sized and adult-sized. And as a special bonus, "social justice" and "institutional racism" get tossed in as well.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com)
at November 17, 2017 7:26 AM
Cue the parental outrage, and the haughty reader comments ("Back in MY day...")! But it's an interesting question, really: Are there benefits to having your pupils spend recess in the rain? How hard does it have to rain before you bring 'em back inside?
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com)
at November 17, 2017 7:47 AM
It was a well meaning effort to get all the magic thinking and superstition out of education.
Which magic thinking was that? if anything, they added magical thinking and superstition into education. Are the high school graduates of today better than they where in the 50s, 60s, or 70s?
But yeah, being habitually being lied to makes one resentful. Yet another reason for the revolt against the "elites".
At one point it was common to hit kids who were left handed. Because the morning lord is the left hand of god and we humans aren't on friendly terms with the fellow. There are plenty of other examples. But I can't argue for or against there being more or less magic thinking going on today. I do know there is a whole lot of it today. My kids are only in preschool and it was clearly laid out to us that any toy guns or gun related actions were grounds for getting kicked out. Magic thinking indeed. But I just don't know how much was going on back in the 50s and such. I don't have a feel for that much less any decent data.
On the lying, I remember being in 7th grade and we had an award ceremony where everyone got a trophy. Didn't have to do anything. Just be at school on that day. The guy standing next to me was a drugged up loser who regularly failed everything. A combination of lack of drive and lack of intelligence. Even he found the whole thing insulting. He knew this was just a piece of junk. But all the adults were acting like this was a big deal and some kind of great honor. Quite frankly he was angrier and more insulted than I was.
I get that the adults had some sort of angst or regret about never winning a trophy and felt inferior. But at the same time having all the teachers and administrators treat you like you are mentally retarded doesn't help things. Instead they've institutionalized the view that all teachers lie. And poor lies at that.
Ben
at November 17, 2017 8:58 AM
This will be not fun. At all.
The real war is the one that the Saudis and the Iranians have been maneuvering toward for years. Those maneuvers included everything from Iran’s nuke deal, the fighting in Yemen, the Syrian Civil War, the Iraqi suppression of Kurdish independence, the rise of ISIS, and the Qatari embargo.
The death toll from the buildup to the Sunni-Shiite regional war is approaching a million. And the war hasn’t even begun yet. It may never become an actual war as we understand it. It’s possible that there will be a hundred little wars exploding across the region. These wars will tear apart more of the region and the talking heads on television will blame global warming or Israeli settlements.
But while we’re still here together, with me owning stuff and you struggling to afford your daily kombucha smoothie, we face many shared challenges. There’s that giant debt, and there are those foreign people who want to kill us, and there is the terrifying fact that we are at each others’ throats here at home. We know how this plays out if we don’t fix it – bad for me, but super-bad for you. Maybe we should try and square things away. Maybe we should stop assuming the worst about each other, start thinking about what unites us instead of what divides us, and work together to make a better tomorrow. Maybe.
But I guess that’s kind of up to you though, because as so many of you on Twitter like to point out, I’m going to die a lot sooner than you are. And that kind of makes the future your problem.
Darth, you're likely right about who destroyed the makeup. As one commentator pointed out:
1) the employees didn't SEE who did this 2) that's a good 4ft up unless this 2yo is the size of a 10yo I doubt it was a "young child."
#stopmomshaming#ignorant pic.twitter.com/ueIBVKdska
— Leah Marie Griffin (@lgriffin9211)
But why the hell did she have to say THIS at the beginning?
"This is not okay, as if it isn't hard enough for a mom to be out in public with her young kids."
"This is not okay, as if it isn't hard enough for a mom to be out in public with her young kids."
Christ Almighty.
Kevin
at November 17, 2017 1:31 PM
Ben,
Happens in China too, but instead of religious/superstitious connotation, it's all about fitting in with the herd. I have left-handed relatives who had been persuaded by their family into compliance.
A good example of that compliance can be seen in one episode of Seth MacFarlane's American Dad, where Stan finds out that Francine was a left-hand person and her adoptive Chinese parents convinced her to behave like a right-handed person.
"Anti-LGBT politician resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office'"
On the campaign trail he screamed 'Jesus! That's the way!' and he was caught in his office having sex with a man and screaming 'Jesus! That's the way!'.
And just in time, too. The Democrats really needed a distraction.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at November 18, 2017 8:45 AM
https://youtu.be/kz0LJe-4efk?t=17
lujlp at November 16, 2017 11:27 PM
Make-up displays should be brat-free.
A child reportedly destroyed over $1,000 of makeup at Sephora — and the photos are horrific
mpetrie98 at November 17, 2017 3:28 AM
I know that kind of kids and the kind of parents they tend to have.
They get super-angry when you're not letting their runts touch things, and go all stuck-up acting that they can afford anything their brats break.
But.. If it actually happens? Ooooh.. It always goes like this: It's not MY fault that MY kid broke it! It's YOUR responsibility to keep an eye on MY child!
The dad wants to pay for it but the mom is stubborn to not pay for it, she goes curled lip, head tilted, and wants a game of chicken to see who relents.
Sixclaws at November 17, 2017 5:03 AM
https://platinumparagon.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/the-psychology-of-loot-boxes-and-microtransactions/
Sixclaws at November 17, 2017 5:18 AM
https://i2.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/report.jpg?w=640
We've all seen the cartoon showing how back in the 60s kids got yelled at for bad grades and now teachers get yelled at instead. No one really objects to this characterization. It is mostly valid. The only real question is why things changed. So I'm going to climb on my soap box and claim it is because no one trust teachers anymore.
Think about it. By 2010 Gen X and Millenials have finished school and are now having kids and putting them into the public education system. And how did that public education system treat them? Any sixth grader with basic mental functions knows you don't bring up Republican or Conservative points at school. Your grades will fall if you do. Political parties are inherent parts of the education system today. Gen X and Millenials all went through the self esteem movement. Teachers were institutionally required to lie to their students. Often in the most blatant and stupid way. How people reacted to 12 years of institutionalized government lying varies. But everyone knew we were being lied to. Also back in the 70s there was a hard push to get all the god stuff out of the schools. It was a well meaning effort to get all the magic thinking and superstition out of education. Unfortunately it failed. There is still just as much magical thinking going around today as there was 100 years ago. But now the magic thinking is unhooked from society. Instead of organized magic thinking we have disorganized magic thinking. So parents no longer share that same irrationality with teachers. And honestly teachers don't even share it among themselves.
So as I said above, no one trust teachers anymore. No one believes that 'F' was earned. I've talked with my parents and grandparents and they couldn't believe how much things had changed from when they were in school. It isn't the parents that changed. It was the teachers.
Agree, disagree? Thoughts?
Ben at November 17, 2017 6:08 AM
"By 2010 Gen X and Millenials have finished school and are now having kids and putting them into the public education system. And how did that public education system treat them?"
Y'know, I had not thought about it that way, but that's a great point. We know that a lot of primary education in the U.S. is crap these days, and not up to the standards of previous generations. I recall the early '80s when the "teachers are underpaid" trope was getting started. Back then, it may have actually been true, at least in some districts. A bunch of money got spent (and a bunch of property taxes raised to do it) to increase teacher salaries. The theory was that increasing pay would attract more qualified teachers.
That's a solid theory in a free market. But public education isn't a free market, and hasn't been for a long time. (And private education, truth be told, is not much better overall.) Ed schools and unions pushed through new requirements for teacher certification, to ensure that the supply would be short and districts would have to increase pay without getting better quality teachers. The combination of bad actors changed the standard from "teachers should be competent in the subjects that they teach" to "teachers should be competent in teaching", which shut out of the market every prospective teacher who had not gone through the ed-school mill and gotten the union stamp of approval.
I have a female acquaintance, who is now in her 70s (and she's still ballroom dancing!), who taught here in the early 1960s, at a time when the city was growing rapidly. There was a desperate shortage of teachers. She has told me: "Back then, if you had a degree of any kind, you could teach." There were lots of teachers who taught in the morning and worked in industry in the afternoon, or vice versa. And if you were a tax-paying citizen of the district, you could, after arranging it with the school principal, go into classrooms during the day and observe students being taught, or even work it out with the teacher to do a guest lecture.
In short, schools were a part of the community then, instead of being the insular, opaque creches that they are today. I don't know how we get that back. The charter-school movement has managed to do it in some areas, but the political opposition to that is so formidable that I don't know if it will ever be able to grow much more than it already has. I'm of the opinion that the public school system is unreformable, and needs to be either blown up or bypassed.
Cousin Dave at November 17, 2017 6:43 AM
From the Sephora link.
Not destroyed by a tiny huuumaan, but by the alleged adult. Potato, potahto.
I R A Darth Aggie at November 17, 2017 7:02 AM
Assimilation and its discontents, pint-sized and adult-sized. And as a special bonus, "social justice" and "institutional racism" get tossed in as well.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at November 17, 2017 7:26 AM
In Ipswich, Suffolk, United Kingdom, there is a school called the Piper's Vale Primary Academy. One of their policies is insisting that their pupils play outside, even when it's raining.
Cue the parental outrage, and the haughty reader comments ("Back in MY day...")! But it's an interesting question, really: Are there benefits to having your pupils spend recess in the rain? How hard does it have to rain before you bring 'em back inside?
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at November 17, 2017 7:47 AM
It was a well meaning effort to get all the magic thinking and superstition out of education.
Which magic thinking was that? if anything, they added magical thinking and superstition into education. Are the high school graduates of today better than they where in the 50s, 60s, or 70s?
But yeah, being habitually being lied to makes one resentful. Yet another reason for the revolt against the "elites".
Who you gonna believe? us? or your lyin; eyes?
I R A Darth Aggie at November 17, 2017 8:02 AM
I for one welcome our robot overlords.
https://twitter.com/BrianWilsonDC/status/931290565949444097
I R A Darth Aggie at November 17, 2017 8:31 AM
IRA,
At one point it was common to hit kids who were left handed. Because the morning lord is the left hand of god and we humans aren't on friendly terms with the fellow. There are plenty of other examples. But I can't argue for or against there being more or less magic thinking going on today. I do know there is a whole lot of it today. My kids are only in preschool and it was clearly laid out to us that any toy guns or gun related actions were grounds for getting kicked out. Magic thinking indeed. But I just don't know how much was going on back in the 50s and such. I don't have a feel for that much less any decent data.
On the lying, I remember being in 7th grade and we had an award ceremony where everyone got a trophy. Didn't have to do anything. Just be at school on that day. The guy standing next to me was a drugged up loser who regularly failed everything. A combination of lack of drive and lack of intelligence. Even he found the whole thing insulting. He knew this was just a piece of junk. But all the adults were acting like this was a big deal and some kind of great honor. Quite frankly he was angrier and more insulted than I was.
I get that the adults had some sort of angst or regret about never winning a trophy and felt inferior. But at the same time having all the teachers and administrators treat you like you are mentally retarded doesn't help things. Instead they've institutionalized the view that all teachers lie. And poor lies at that.
Ben at November 17, 2017 8:58 AM
This will be not fun. At all.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268375/next-big-middle-eastern-war-daniel-greenfield
I R A Darth Aggie at November 17, 2017 9:23 AM
Indeed. Won't happen any time soon.
https://twitter.com/MikeKMorrison/status/931224866111545344
I R A Darth Aggie at November 17, 2017 10:13 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/11/16/at-least-my-generation-will-have-our-revenge-on-the-millennials-n2409840
I R A Darth Aggie at November 17, 2017 10:47 AM
Darth, you're likely right about who destroyed the makeup. As one commentator pointed out:
1) the employees didn't SEE who did this 2) that's a good 4ft up unless this 2yo is the size of a 10yo I doubt it was a "young child."
#stopmomshaming#ignorant pic.twitter.com/ueIBVKdska
— Leah Marie Griffin (@lgriffin9211)
But why the hell did she have to say THIS at the beginning?
"This is not okay, as if it isn't hard enough for a mom to be out in public with her young kids."
lenona at November 17, 2017 12:11 PM
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!
Navy admits its aircraft drew lewd images in sky
mpetrie98 at November 17, 2017 12:47 PM
Patrick and Charles, this one is for you!
Anti-LGBT politician resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office'
mpetrie98 at November 17, 2017 12:54 PM
"This is not okay, as if it isn't hard enough for a mom to be out in public with her young kids."
Christ Almighty.
Kevin at November 17, 2017 1:31 PM
Ben,
Happens in China too, but instead of religious/superstitious connotation, it's all about fitting in with the herd. I have left-handed relatives who had been persuaded by their family into compliance.
A good example of that compliance can be seen in one episode of Seth MacFarlane's American Dad, where Stan finds out that Francine was a left-hand person and her adoptive Chinese parents convinced her to behave like a right-handed person.
Sixclaws at November 17, 2017 4:15 PM
˙dn pǝʞɔnɟ llɐ sᴉ sᴉɥ┴
Crid at November 17, 2017 4:24 PM
This is fun!
Conan the Grammarian at November 17, 2017 6:16 PM
First we had road rage. Now we have . . .
RUN RAGE!
#FirstWorldProblems
mpetrie98 at November 17, 2017 6:17 PM
"Anti-LGBT politician resigns after being 'caught having sex with man in his office'"
On the campaign trail he screamed 'Jesus! That's the way!' and he was caught in his office having sex with a man and screaming 'Jesus! That's the way!'.
And just in time, too. The Democrats really needed a distraction.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at November 18, 2017 8:45 AM
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