Victim Feminism: What Kind Of Woman Sends A Friend Of Thirty Years To Jail Over An Ass Grab?
When I saw that the former head of the C.D.C. was arrested on a "sex abuse charge," as the headline appeared on Twitter, I thought -- "Oh, gross...maybe he did something to a child."
I couldn't believe the actual charge -- an alleged butt grope at a party...a year ago. Of a 55-year-old woman he said he's known for 30 years, who just reported this to the police now -- leading to the guy's arrest.
Yes, for an alleged butt grope. And not of a child but of an adult woman.
No, people shouldn't go around grabbing at people's asses, but having it happen is -- or used to be -- just one of those shitty things people do, like throwing up on your rug after drinking too much. It's something an adult, male or female, should be able to quickly handle -- on their own -- and be done with. At least that's the way I see it.
Women today, in our country, are more free and more powerful than at any other time and place in history, yet there's this weirdly regressive victim'y behavior.
I've said it before: I see these grabs for the mantle of victimhood as a way to have unearned power over men.
And I am in 100 percent agreement with Christina Hoff Sommers:
What? Former Head of C.D.C. arrested for allegedly grabbing behind of longtime female friend at family party--a year ago. Isn't proper response to tell him to buzz off. Call cops--a year later? And he gets arrested? #SexPanic https://t.co/PNxevBmjFi
— Christina Sommers (@CHSommers) August 25, 2018
More right-on thinking from Sommers:
Looks to me like good man is being publicly shamed because a longtime female friend of his ALLEGES he grabbed her ass at a party --nearly a year ago.Even if he did, proper response is to tell him to buzz off. Not to call cops & ruin his life. Do you disagree?
— Christina Sommers (@CHSommers) August 25, 2018
Some replies, including mine:
And I'm absolutely in agreement with Sommers here:
Can't believe there is not more pushback. Every major news org is gleefully covering the arrest. Insane.
— Christina Sommers (@CHSommers) August 25, 2018
Unless he was dumb enough to apologize in writing I fail to see how they will get a conviction
And just how much in NYC spending to prosecute a crime that wont even carry jail time?
And how much will the lose in a lawsuit? Cause no one is dumb enough to believe the perp walk wasnt set up
lujlp at August 25, 2018 12:10 AM
Waiting for the blog's resident morons who insisted that Franken was guilty to jump right in and insist that Thomas Friedan is guilty as fuck!
Nothing but accusations taken after a considerable length of time, without a shred of evidence.
Blog morons: "Well, obviously, he's guilty."
I'm looking forward to the day when these idiots find themselves on the receiving end of unproven accusations.
Patrick at August 25, 2018 5:16 AM
At least this wasn't a 30-year-old accusation, although, at a year old, the incident is still unlikely to be fresh on anyone's mind. It's not the proof that matters in these kinds of cases, it's the accusation.
Frieden has denied the woman's claim with a statement that the allegation "does not reflect [his] public or private behavior or values," a tepid boilerplate response indicating he's scared to outright call his accuser a liar lest he annoy the "believe every accuser" progressive elites who contribute to his organization and sit on its board. He's trying to salvage his reputation and career, not yet realizing that, thanks to the accusation alone, he's finished at Resolve, even if she's proven to be a liar.
Conan the Grammarian at August 25, 2018 7:39 AM
First, let me say that I agree he shouldn't be arrested for it.
In response to Benjamin Charles:
I'd say that MAYBE the slapping stopped when women realized they just might get arrested for slapping. (It's sort of the same principle used by those neighbors who call the police about the neighborhood children's destructive behavior instead of trying to talk to the parents, because they have good reason to believe that anything other than calling the police will only make things much worse.) Or, when the man is a client or a superior, the woman can get fired - though I'm assuming that wasn't the case here. (I seem to remember that scenario, when Doris Day played Ruth Etting in "Love Me or Leave Me." I don't know if that really happened to Ruth Etting.)
Anyway, leaving aside the issue of getting a man arrested, let me reiterate that if we're going to start condemning every woman over 15 for not acting on the spot when assaulted just because it's the 21st century now, we can't blame them for reporting, to HR, every little lewd joke and grope. It's called "nipping bad behavior in the bud." Why wait until it turns into something worse?
Btw, regarding that bit about badly behaved kids, I'd say Lenore Skenazy screwed up BADLY - recently.
"Can a Non-Parent Give a Parent Advice?"
https://www.creators.com/read/lenore-skenazy/08/18/can-a-non-parent-give-a-parent-advice
Last lines:
"...whether or not a person has kids, all of us have been kids and had parents, making us all somewhat qualified to talk about child rearing.
"But that should also make us shut up. Parent or not, most of us don't like to be second-guessed. When we're flailing and failing, the best thing anyone can give is not advice; it's a helping hand.
"And you don't need to be a parent to have two of those."
(end)
Not exactly.
When a kid is kicking the back of your airplane seat and the parent does nothing to stop it, there's a good chance that asking the kid in a sugary voice to stop it is only going to get the parent angry and will make the kid kick harder. "Help" is fine when the parent really cares about being considerate of others and about stopping the bad behavior. In the column, Ann's brother clearly was a coward and afraid that his 8-year-old son would start screaming "how DARE you put me to bed at the same time as a six-year-old!" Big deal. The adults were suffering and needed some quiet. End of story.
lenona at August 25, 2018 8:08 AM
Another valuable lesson about women for us men. Not every snake is poisonous, but it's best to treat them all as though they are.
Jay R at August 25, 2018 9:50 AM
> Another valuable lesson about women for us men.
> Not every snake is poisonous, but it's best to
> treat them all as though they are.
It's not because she Would do it, it's because she Could do it.
Snoopy at August 25, 2018 11:40 AM
"You've known me for thirty years, and it took you *this* long to grab my ass? Fuck the hell off."
Steve Daniels at August 25, 2018 1:44 PM
I'm no lawyer, but I don't see how. If someone grabs you in a way that a reasonable person would see as offensive, responding with an amount of force seems the least likely to get anyone in legal trouble.
If you slap someone for what they say to you, that's another matter. But for someone who committing at least simple battery, a proportionate physical response seems reasonable to me.
Patrick at August 25, 2018 4:40 PM
When you refer to slapping, I'm reminded of a couple of Amy's columns. One in which a woman insisted that she wanted to take a break from men, so, she went out clubbing with her friends at a bar with plenty of men. Then she slapped a guy who tried to guess her statistics, including her bra size.
In another column, the LW described how she threw an ashtray at a guy's head.
Amy, quite properly and in her own inimitable sardonism, explained in both cases that the women had no right to act as they did.
I don't know if Isab would agree, but I would say that if a man intentionally places unwanted hands on a woman, especially on her ass, breasts or groin, a slap would probably fall within the confines of self-defense. (Provided she does it right then and there, and not a year after the incident.
Patrick at August 25, 2018 5:06 PM
My best advice is never hit a man. On the spur of the moment it may be difficult to judge if the contact is intentional or unintentional, but if you aren't in fear for your life and trying to get away, a verbal defense should be your first, and almost always, your only option.
A slap isnt a good self defense move. It is a provocation.
You dont want to start a fight you are ill equipped to finish.
I’ve been grouped a couple of times. It was in my best interest both times to ignore it.
Isab at August 26, 2018 10:07 AM
"I’ve been grouped a couple of times"
Umm ... was it a large group?
Asking for a friend.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at August 26, 2018 3:10 PM
Small one. :-). Tight little army meeting room. Table taking up enough room so you had to kind of squeeze past.
Wasn't the hill I wanted to die on.
You would think spell check would save a dyslexic like me but it just leads to puns.
Isab at August 26, 2018 6:16 PM
You beat me to it, Isab.
Even if a woman wouldn't be arrested for returning violence with violence, she can't very well expect a man not to hit back a lot harder when he wasn't chivalrous enough not to grope her in the first place.
lenona at August 27, 2018 8:52 AM
Hmmm. A straight, whitish male is being prosecuted for groping a woman. Is this a practice run for catching a bigger fish? who moved into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in early 2017?
Let's think about this for a minute. If the charges stick, the method is proven ready for use against the POTUS. If not, well, no big deal. Just one guy, a Democrat, has been ruined, and everyone can move on to some other line of attack. And he wasn't a very pious Jew, anyway.
Allan at August 27, 2018 4:18 PM
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