Why Is It Hurtful To "Identify" As A Difference Race But Not A Different Gender?
Why is it hurtful to "identify" as a race you were not born into when it is seen as your right and, by many, a merit to be born with, say, ovaries, and yet "identify" as a man?
I suspect it has to do with advantages now dispensed according to color (over merit). If you aren't taking an opportunity only someone born that "color" could have gotten, where's the hurt?
No one expresses "hurt" over transgender people, save for when someone born male runs in a women's race, as that born-male person likely has physical advantages from higher testosterone, greater muscle mass, etc.
Oh, and note that it is considered an act of harm and hate to ever stray from referring to the trans person with their birth sex or previous name, even by accident. In other words, we're expected to act as if they are and never were anything but the gender they currently "identify" as being.
In the New York Post is the latest story on a university person who put herself forward as black. Hannah Sparks writes:
A graduate student at the University of Wisconsin-Madison has apologized and resigned from their teaching job and worker's union leadership position after years of embracing "lies" about their racial identity.CV Vitolo-Haddad, who uses the non-binary pronouns "they" and "them," admitted that they are actually Southern Italian and Sicilian -- not black or Latino, which are both labels they accepted when peers allegedly assumed they were a person of color.
"When asked if I identify as black, my answer should have always been 'No,' " Vitolo-Haddad wrote Sept. 8 in the second of two confessions on Medium. "There were three separate instances I said otherwise."
"I have let guesses about my ancestry become answers I wanted but couldn't prove," Vitolo-Haddad previously said in an apology published Sept. 6 on Medium. "I have let people make assumptions when I should have corrected them."
...In their initial post, Vitolo-Haddad also expressed a desire "to make amends for every ounce of heartbreak and betrayal" the deception has caused others.
Due to the controversy, the graduate student -- who studies at the School of Journalism and Mass Communication -- has given up their teaching position and stepped down as co-president of the school's chapter of the Teaching Assistants' Association (TAA), a graduate student union. However, Vitolo-Haddad also claimed they have never identified as non-white on paper or attempted to gain access to scholarships and awards provided specifically for people of color, according to Inside Higher Ed.
Another:
Satchuel Cole, leader in the fight for racial equality in Indianapolis, lied about own race https://t.co/ATlMcIJYXm pic.twitter.com/HUyb71GwXC
— IndyStar (@indystar) September 18, 2020








There've been four now (not counting Pocahontas), and I've forgotten the second, but remember resenting her as much as the others. Someone should be keeping track.
Additionally, I use Los Angeles-1990-style pronouns in all cases. Where offense is taken for doing so, it can be regarded as intentional. And it's a especially strange that the Indianapolis Star, FFS — a famously conservative and not-especially-principled newspaper in a midwestern industrial city — is playing along with that silliness.
PS, because there's no post for visitor's links yet:
• I regard this as strange behavior, and deleterious for its essentially pornographic adoration of government power. As with the mask-whiners, these people can imagine no other context by which human interaction, whether in politics or microbiology, can be entertained.
• Additionally… While RGB may or may not have been correct about having her seat filled before or after an election — and I'm ready to persuaded — her "dying wish" in the matter is of zero interest. She was a public servant. She was on the payroll, just like the guy who manages the parking lot at your local courthouse, and you shouldn't be looking to either of them for leadership. And we CERTAINLY ought not be granting them "wishes," as if a favorite baseball hero might turn up in the hospital to make them feel better in the last hours.
Crid at September 18, 2020 10:30 PM
Both are harmful to the truth.
https://blog.kentforliberty.com/2020/09/opposite-sex-cosplay.html
Kent McManigal at September 19, 2020 9:18 AM
I did a genealogy search and found I have a mulatto (I know non PC word, so castigate me, but that is word used in 19th century census reports) 6Great grandmother, and a Cherokee 5Great GMother (a marriage of convenience, an exchange of family land for protection from being sent to the Indian Territories, does that make me a bad person or give me racial brownie points?).
My mother is Jewish, our ancestors fled Spain and settled in what was then Turkish Eastern Europe. She lived in Shanghai during WW2 and came to US with Chinese passport.
Can I legitimately identify as a Jewish, Hispanic, Black, American Indian Asian and get all of the attendant privileging?
Jack Margolis at September 19, 2020 10:34 AM
If blacks are so oppressed, and it is simply a racist nightmare to be black, why would these people claim to be black? Of course it is because there are preferences to exploit AND it isn't such a nightmare.
cc at September 19, 2020 1:33 PM
Since the Left insists truth is relative these days, can it really harm the truth? Or has it already been harmed beyond repair?
Conan the Grammarian at September 19, 2020 2:16 PM
Um, cc, if you don't LOOK at least slightly black, even close up, you're not going to be discriminated against - e.g., followed in stores - as if you were black.
In other words, if you're white and look it, no matter what you CLAIM to be, you can never really know what it's like, day to day, to be black.
It's called "having the best of both worlds."
Lenona at September 20, 2020 6:49 AM
You are still living a century ago Lenona. Don't wear pants about to fall of. Don't be covered in tattoos. The shade of your skin doesn't make a difference.
Then again you may live in an especially racist area. Care to tell the rest of us where we should avoid?
Ben at September 20, 2020 9:04 AM
"You are still living a century ago Lenona. Don't wear pants about to fall of(sic). Don't be covered in tattoos. The shade of your skin doesn't make a difference."
It does when there is money to be made.
Here's the hoax you've been sold.
Radwaste at September 20, 2020 12:05 PM
Ben, just how many black people agree with you?
I've lost track of the number of black people who tell stories of wearing their military officer uniforms - or being dressed to the nines in other ways, at, say, an airport - only to be asked by some stranger to carry luggage. Or to be treated as if what they're wearing couldn't possibly be legit.
Lenona at September 20, 2020 9:17 PM
Ben, just how many black people agree with you?
I've lost track of the number of black people who tell stories of wearing their military officer uniforms - or being dressed to the nines in other ways, at, say, an airport - only to be asked by some stranger to carry luggage. Or to be treated as if what they're wearing couldn't possibly be legit.
Lenona at September 20, 2020 9:21 PM
Just to clarify - by "many" I meant "percentage wise." Of the general population.
(Just because I'VE never crossed a road when a black man and I are about to pass each other doesn't mean it doesn't happen regularly. Hint: obviously, a white woman doesn't typically feel the need to do that when there are at least a few other people nearby, so naturally, third parties wouldn't often witness such incidents at the time.)
Lenona at September 21, 2020 9:03 AM
Lenona, just because you are a racist doesn't mean the rest of us are. That is why I asked where you live. Clearly it is a very racist and bigoted area. I suggest you move to a more modern part of the nation.
After all you claim black people can't hold more than minimum wage jobs. Too bad for Oprah. And Obama. And ....
Ben at September 22, 2020 5:35 AM
Both of those comments about me are lies and you know it. Jeez...
What I said was:
"black people are sick and tired of being expected to be happy with minimum-wage jobs - which are often dangerous - if and when they happen to be better qualified than that. (Much like anyone else in that oppressive situation. So it shouldn't be surprising when any such group complains about that expectation.)"
Do you not understand the word "expected"?
As in, white bosses and white society still DISCRIMINATE, to a certain degree. There's a saying that goes "white northerners don't care how high black people go, so long as they don't get too close, and white southerners don't care how close black people get, so long as they don't rise too high."
Btw, you didn't answer my question.
And what was wrong with what Chris Rock said?
Individuals are just individuals, after all - unless they make up a big percentage.
Lenona at September 22, 2020 9:42 AM
All right. I accept that correction. But one again, we don't share a culture. Your society isn't my society. Your white bosses and your white society DISCRIMINATE. That isn't a society I share. I still recommend you move to a more enlightened part of the nation. Where was it you said was such a bigoted place?
As for how many black people I know who have been asked to carry someone else's bags mistakenly, I think the number is zero. Why would anyone carry a bag for you? A taxi driver might help you out. Otherwise that isn't a service commonly offered around here. What is wrong with your part of the nation Lenona that people ask random strangers to carry things for them? Do you not have thieves?
Do black people still complain about racism, yes. In part it is a habit and in part it is still profitable. I asked a friend to tell me what racism has affected him. He is a lawyer and doing quite well. His response is white people all have contacts. All his white classmates had a whole list of clients before they even graduated. Well, I don't know about you but most white people don't have legal clients setup at birth. It isn't a thing. He was suffering from racism. Racism for him. Any white guy (or asian for that matter) who didn't already have contacts was eliminated before they could even become a classmate of his. That is the insidious nature of such bigotry.
But you keep saying your bigoted lines and feeling comfortable that it's all those other people and not you. I don't want to be part of your society.
Ben at September 22, 2020 5:02 PM
First, thanks for your first six words.
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Where was it you said was such a bigoted place?
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I didn't. That's because the stories I relate are not about my area, per se. They come from news stories across the country. (I never implied otherwise.) In other words, as journalists have pointed out time and again, anti-black racism can and does happen in ANY part of the country - even if it is "subtle" at times. (I once told a story here from a non-fiction book: a white baby-boomer told of how, when she was a girl, whenever she went shopping with her mother and the salesclerk happened to be black, her mother - "an impeccable lady," would never say an unkind word, but she did use a very condescending tone of voice. So, wrote the daughter: "she passed on her racist attitudes to me without our ever exchanging a word on the subject!")
Journalist Lena Williams wrote a book on such "subtleties" called It's the Little Things (2000).
And, to add what I said above, I have also never witnessed a white woman crossing the road to avoid a black stranger. But, as I said, I HEAR of such incidents via the national media over and over, and incidents like that would naturally happen when witnesses are not around.
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As for how many black people I know who have been asked to carry someone else's bags mistakenly, I think the number is zero. Why would anyone carry a bag for you? A taxi driver might help you out. Otherwise that isn't a service commonly offered around here. What is wrong with your part of the nation Lenona that people ask random strangers to carry things for them? Do you not have thieves?
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Please. I know you're playing dumb. You're too smart for that. Ever heard of baggage handlers? Even if they don't exist in your area?
Again, those stories come from the national media, and I'd say they're plausible. Why? Because racist people don't want to distinguish between a high-status uniform and a low-status one if the uniforms look at least slightly similar. (Malcolm X put it much more bluntly - but he wasn't talking about clothes, per se.)
I don't know what you mean by "bigoted lines." Unless you mean that acknowledging the existence of anti-black racism is somehow anti-white bigotry. (For the record, at least once or twice, I've mentioned how black-on-black violence is far more common than white-on-black violence; Jesse Jackson famously admitted as much, in 1993.) It reminds me of certain people who seem to think it's inherently wrong to accuse any famous, popular person of a felony, even when everyone knows the accusation is likely true. (That would include a lot of sports fans, unfortunately.)
Lenona at September 22, 2020 6:27 PM
Not playing dumb Lenona. I've flown all over the US. You never give your bags to a random stranger. You put your bags on the scale or the conveyor belt yourself. The baggage handler is always in uniform and behind some desk, line, or other demarcation. The idea that baggage handlers are solely black is also not plausible. Similarly your claim that people don't think black people can join the military.
The 1960 happened a long time ago. It is time for you to join us in 2020.
Ben at September 23, 2020 5:47 AM
The idea that baggage handlers are solely black is also not plausible. Similarly your claim that people don't think black people can join the milItary.
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I never made either claim and you know it. Honestly...
People don't necessarily assume that a person CAN'T be a baggage handler just because that person isn't standing in the usual place. (People are often pretty dumb, after all. Especially those who don't know the routine very well.)
The point is, when such "mistakes" happen, it's because racists can't be bothered to remember that black people in uniforms could be there for any purpose other than a subordinate one. Not to mention that the higher the army officer's rank, the greater the insult, even if the insult was made subconsciously.
Besides, IIRC, even before the Amy Cooper incident in Central Park, some black journalists referred to similar incidents and said that such incidents were not unusual, they were simply getting caught on cameras or phones more often, these days, maybe because black people were getting bolder about filming such incidents. Not to mention that white instigators can be slow to realize that cameras and phones are everywhere and that there's almost no escaping "witnesses" any more. As I said, people can be pretty dumb, but that's hardly an excuse.
Lenona at September 23, 2020 1:52 PM
Let me get this straight. You say that people make mistakes because they are racists. But you can't tell me why random black people are standing next to x-ray machines in airports?
Hey, you want to say New York is racist far be it from me to say you are wrong. I don't live there. But your claims about random people being told to carry bags because they are black is pure hogwash. 9/11 happened decades ago. Posing as a federal employee is a criminal act. Messing with the x-ray machines will get you in jail. Even if someone is a baggage handler if they are not at their station they don't take your bags. You need to stand in line these days.
The 1950s were over 70 years ago. Things have changed. Maybe you need to change too.
Ben at September 23, 2020 3:38 PM
But your claims about random people being told to carry bags because they are black is pure hogwash.
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I didn't make up those stories, it's been well UNDER a decade since I heard them, and you're the ONLY one who seems to think they're impossible. If they were, wouldn't they have been debunked at the time?
We've been over this before, but since you don't remember, I do not live in New York.
Lenona at September 24, 2020 4:52 PM
You were still using evidence of New York being racist. A claim I am not willing to fight.
Ben at September 24, 2020 6:46 PM
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