In Sickness And In Stealth
This woman and I were involved 13 years ago, before I met my wife, but she was married then. She got divorced and moved away. We reconnected recently on Facebook, and I discovered she's now only 20 miles away. I told her I'm happily married and I've never cheated on my wife, but I would risk everything for her and want to meet her for an intimate encounter. (She and I had great sex, far better than I have with my wife.) She said she still has feelings for me but is happily married and couldn't cheat on her husband because she would feel "too guilty." She says he is her "rock" and has done so much for her, including taking her and her three kids in during the ordeal of her divorce. I'm perplexed. She cheated on her first husband with me, and we had lots of fun. I thought the leopard couldn't change its spots. How could it be okay for her to cheat then and not now?
--Spurned
It's so annoying when a woman lets a little thing like a lifelong commitment get in the way of providing you with an hour and a half of better-quality sex.
No, a leopard does not wake up in the morning and think, "Maybe I'll do paisley today." Humans, on the other hand, have an irritating tendency to fail to conform to pat aphorisms. For example, this woman, who, in the past, has provided you with some seriously excellent adulterous sex, now refuses to run off to Goodwill to get back her leopard-print blouse with the scarlet A on it. Amazingly, she feels it would be wrong to reward a guy who's "done so much" for her by doing you whenever you can both sneak out for a nooner.
As for why she cheated in the past, maybe she was young and narcissistic and thought being unhappily married was enough of an excuse to be happily adulterous. She's since picked herself up a set of ethics -- maybe after seeing the ravages that conscience-free living can cause on husbands and children. And tempted as she may be, she seems to realize that the best way to avoid going around feeling all queasy with guilt is to avoid sexual multitasking: trying to gaze in one man's eyes like you love him while trying to remember what time you were supposed to meet the other man at the motel.
Economist Robert H. Frank explains in "Passions Within Reason" that moral behavior seems to be driven by the emotions. Guilt, clearly, has worked for your former cheatums, and Frank sees love as a "commitment device" that bonds people beyond what would be in their sheer self-interest (like running off to the first opportunity for better sex that moves back to town). In other words, if you focus on what you're grateful for about your wife and engage in little loving touches and gestures, you can reinforce what you have -- which seems fairer than rewarding her for making you happy by giving her believable excuses for your disappearances. Remember, they're called marriage vows, not marriage suggestions -- as in, you don't get to live according to "Till the prospect of really great sex do us part, but only for an afternoon, and I wouldn't even think of it if she weren't double-jointed."








I thought the leopard couldn't change its spots. How could it be okay for her to cheat then and not now?
"Once-a-cheater-always-a-cheater" may apply to most people who cheat, but I believe there are plenty of exceptions.
JD at May 28, 2013 5:50 PM
MEthinks LW is showing a touch of narcissism, eh?
Flynne at May 28, 2013 6:17 PM
It's not okay for her to not cheat? That's a new one.
Also, 37 year old more mature than 24 year old. (or whatever the ages are). Somebody get the fainting couch.
kf at May 28, 2013 6:24 PM
Did this guy pick his own nom de plume? Spurned? Really? Feelings hurt there, fella? Jesus, what a douche.
whistleDick at May 28, 2013 8:51 PM
Good for her.
Why is he even writing to you? Was he hoping for some advice like, "How do I get her to lighten up and meet me for a quickie?"
Still, it was excellent insight into the nature of why people change. And also excellent advice for him, to show him how to value what he has.
Patrick at May 28, 2013 11:39 PM
On the bright side for the LW, she mentions still having feelings for him. Clearly that means she wants him and not anything like, oh, she's trying to let him down easy.
You should rent the house across the street from hers and buy some binoculars. Send flowers to her every day. Send her jewelry once a week. Make sure to use a credit card whose balance your wife doesn't check.
Stop by her kid's school and accidently run into her. Find out where she buys her bagel and order the same ones she does.
NicoleK at May 29, 2013 4:27 AM
So, is LW a politician, or are my expectations about keeping promises so twentieth century?
MarkD at May 29, 2013 4:58 AM
Looks to me like the lady in question grew up. Maybe the LW ought to look into that himself.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at May 29, 2013 5:07 AM
"MEthinks LW is showing a touch of narcissism, eh?"
Ya think? Jeez, this guy's a bag. OK, he's reminiscing about some fun time that they had together years ago. I get that bit. But it's in the past now, and clearly she's changed her priorities for what she wants in life. (And maybe found herself a new husband with which she has a much better relationship than her prior one.)
I question the LW's assertion that he is "happily married". Clearly, the sex isn't good, so that's strike one. I wonder what else there is. The thing is, if you have problems in your marriage, a little on the side is generally not the way to fix it -- at best, it doesn't solve anything, and it usually makes things worse. It's the wrong solution to the underlying problem. Step one is admitting to yourself, and to the advice columnist that you write to, that there is an underlying problem. And then you go from there.
Cousin Dave at May 29, 2013 6:21 AM
Sounds like this guy thinks having a prior sexual relationship with a woman entitles him to a lifetime, all-access vagina pass.
MonicaP at May 29, 2013 8:44 AM
I agree with MonicaP. Having a previous fling with someone doesn't give you a lifetime pass to tap that. I really hope what she meant when she said she still had feelings for him, was really, I'm physically repulsed by the thought of what I did with you 13 years ago because it messed up my kids. Sadly, I doubt that's what she meant. But good on her for not hooking up with him. He sounds like a real pain in the ass.
I was really hoping Amy would give him a severe tongue lashing, commensurate with the smack down I want to give him just for being a douche nozzle.
sara at May 29, 2013 9:21 AM
The LW is correct: if she was low-rent enough to commit adultery once and he's enough of a scumbag to betray his own wife, he's looking in the right direction. Unfortunately for him, she's just not that into him any more.
Maybe he could put a PI on her and find out who she is cheating with, and blackmail her into sex.
Judging from the letter that seems about in line with his values.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at May 29, 2013 11:11 AM
Maybe she's not interested because you're an entitled asshole. Good Lord, you redefine "douchetastic."
Dana at May 29, 2013 11:34 AM
This guy is a dense dumbass. How about he borrow the Kama Sutra from the Larry Flynt Not-So-Public Library or teach his wife the moves that the other lass used to make him so hot?
mpetrie98 at May 29, 2013 1:17 PM
Funny to read the comments.
If LW were a woman, the tone would have been so much different.
LW is confused by her signals. Obviously she wants to keep him around, but at some distance for now.
mere mortal at May 29, 2013 2:36 PM
Really? If the LW were a woman I'm thinking we'd be seeing "He's just not that into you."
Dana at May 29, 2013 2:39 PM
If LW were a woman, the tone would have been so much different.
Ha! I encourage you to browse through the archives and see just how harsh the commenters here (including myself) can be on women who write in with similar situations.
The whole letter definitely reads like an application to the Douchecanoe Hall of Fame, but I may actually be most annoyed at his minimizing of the lady's new relationship. The "done so much" part is intended as a quote, but I'm thinking it's his skewed perspective that's describing the marriage as nothing more than gratefulness and guilt. I mean, it's possible it is, but taken with the rest of the letter, it just seems like a case of "she can't have an actual legitimate reason for turning me down."
Also: Yay! A new question at the bottom! Telephone poles! No, wait, milk! I said milk!
NumberSix at May 29, 2013 9:19 PM
So do cheaters actually stop cheating?
Ppen at May 30, 2013 1:48 AM
Some do, Purp. Some don't. Depends on the situation, I guess.
Flynne at May 30, 2013 5:49 AM
You know, I do feel for this guy a teeny little bit.
Yeah - I have to leave the cheating out of it to do so. But I had a friend with whom I had a few booty-calls. They were good ones, but we weren't "couple" material for any number of reasons.
I was eventually made the Best Man toast at her wedding. She's totally monogamous, so that door is closed now.
And I miss it.
Lamont Cranston at May 30, 2013 6:01 AM
This guy is asking the wrong question... the question he should be asking is why does he think it's ok for him to cheat? DUH, Jess! Because he wants to, how neat for him!
Jess at May 30, 2013 9:31 AM
Ha! I encourage you to browse through the archives and see just how harsh the commenters here (including myself) can be on women who write in with similar situations.
mere mortal won't do that. He has his interpretation of reality, and he won't dare let facts get in the way.
MonicaP at May 30, 2013 11:18 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2013/05/in-sickness-and.html#comment-3726058">comment from MonicaPMonicaP is correct on that.
Amy Alkon
at May 30, 2013 11:27 AM
Holy smokes! I know it's all been said already, but what a narcissistic twat! So because she once made a mistake that means she's doomed to be a cheating bint forever? Or is he trying to say that he thinks of her as a two-cent whore who can never be a lady and wife? Or perhaps this is just the indignance at "how DARE she not want to hit THIS again? The sex was GREAT (at least in my mind) so who is SHE to tell ME no?" I'm guessing it's a combination of them all. What a tool. And it seems a little creepy too...maybe she moved away because she saw that he was a creepy sociopath with major possession issues. And his poor wife, I can only conjecture his feelings on his marital "rights".
bellflower at June 1, 2013 6:28 PM
"I'm perplexed. She cheated on her first husband with me, and we had lots of fun. I thought the leopard couldn't change its spots. How could it be okay for her to cheat then and not now?"
People cheat for lots of reasons, some of which include not having certain needs met in their present relationship .. maybe her new husband meets those needs.
Lobster at June 15, 2013 5:50 AM
Man, I feel bad for this d-bag's wife.
Lori M at June 26, 2013 6:30 PM
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