A Good Time Was Jihad By All
I'm good friends with the woman next door, but she and her husband fight constantly in front of me and others. Recently, we were all in their car. She was driving, and he repeatedly told her everything she was doing wrong. Then he called to order a pizza, and she laid into him, saying he was ordering wrong. He yelled, "Why do you always complicate things?!" It was really unpleasant. Then, last week, they came to a dinner party at my house and started fighting right at the table! Is there any way to stop the tension and this rude behavior?
--Uncomfortable
It's so sweet when you look at a couple and realize that their relationship reminds you of a classic romantic comedy -- like "Apocalypse Now."
There are social conventions we all just know to adhere to, like that you don't get to use other people's ears as hampers for your relationship's dirty laundry. Unfortunately, this couple seems to have reached the "winning is everything" point -- the point at which social conventions get crumpled up and thrown out the car window and you and your guests are dismayed to find your dinner party doubling as a jury trial: She Never Listens v. He Orders Pizza Wrong.
Well-meaning people will advise you to take the woman aside (embarrassing and uncomfortable!) or chirp "Yoo-hoo, I'm right here!" when they go from zero to "I hate you" right in front of you. But there's a good chance these suggestions won't work, thanks to our body's sloppy and imprecise "fight or flight" system, which is seriously in need of an upgrade. It turns out that the adrenaline rush that would get triggered to help our ancestors escape a hungry tiger's attack can also be triggered by a verbal attack by a wife when her husband fails to meet certain apparently essential takeout-ordering standards. Psychologist Daniel Goleman calls this an "emotional hijacking" because the brain's reasoning center gets bypassed. He explains in his book "Emotional Intelligence" that the surge of adrenaline and other crisis hormones make a person's emotions "so intense, their perspective so narrow, and their thinking so confused that there is no hope of taking the other's viewpoint or settling things in a reasonable way."
In other words, the behavior you should have the best success modifying is your own. And no, the modification shouldn't involve riding in the trunk when you go places with them or having the garden hose close at hand at your dinner parties so you can break up any snarling dogs or married couples. A couple whose party manners fall off faster than pants on a nude beach doesn't deserve your company -- much as they might like to have a witness in case one of them needs to claim "self-defense." You may want to see the wife alone, but you should decline all future opportunities to be in the presence of this duo. Of course, on occasion, it may be worth it to you to make an exception, like when you want to see a big boxing match but can't afford pay-per-view: "Hi...I'm having a party next Saturday. Wanna come over so I can take bets on which one of you will end up biting off a piece of the other's ear?"








Ugh, just dump these people. However successful they may be, they are still L-O-S-E-R-S if they cannot control themselves around each other in polite company.
mpetrie98 at March 4, 2014 8:48 PM
Mpetrie98 is right. That crap sucks all the fun out of the room, except for the satirists who are taking notes.
Canvasback at March 4, 2014 11:05 PM
"Is there any way to stop the tension and this rude behavior?"
Let them stay home! Life is too short!
Great title, Amy :-D
crella at March 5, 2014 1:16 AM
I wouldn't dump them. They're neighbors and friends. I'm with Amy--see them each alone. And tell them the truth--I love you guys to pieces but I just can't handle the fighting.
Laura Hope at March 5, 2014 7:39 AM
If you're really good friends with them, take one shot at speaking to each of them quitely about the situation. However, don't get your hopes up; people like this rarely change their relationship stripes. And don't be surprised if they both turn on you -- couples can be odd that way.
Best thing would probably be to start phasing them out of your social occasions.
Cousin Dave at March 5, 2014 9:42 AM
You can always tell who the introverts are - they say, 'Dump those people!'
And I know this because I am one of them. I can barely stand to be around COOL people for any length of time, let alone annoying rude ones who fight all the time.
Either way, though, you can't "get" people to change. You'll either have to see them separately, put up with their nonsense, or stop seeing them altogether.
Pirate Jo at March 5, 2014 10:26 AM
So true, Pirate Jo. I sometimes forget that I'm not a weird person for being so introverted.
I do agree with Laura, though, who suggests just telling one or both of them "I love you guys, but I can't handle the fighting". That's a non-controversial way of pointing out the problem to them and reminding them that they could use an adjustment. If they don't get it, see them separately. If it helps them to figure out their problem, even better.
Laurie at March 5, 2014 3:39 PM
Great stuff, Amy!
It had been awhile since I've visited, so I just got to read about 8 of these columns of yours in a row. The quality always reminds me why I keep returning.
I will ensure to visit more often now so I don't have so much catching up to do. Keep up the good work! :-)
Ian at March 5, 2014 5:50 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/03/a-good-time-was.html#comment-4334312">comment from IanGreat stuff, Amy! It had been awhile since I've visited, so I just got to read about 8 of these columns of yours in a row.
Thank you so much, Ian.
For the record, papers run the column about five weeks before it runs here, and it helps me keep writing if people read me in papers and share those.
But I truly appreciate your remark!
Amy Alkon
at March 5, 2014 9:23 PM
I had a couple of good friends just like this. They would fight immediately and publicly over anything.
He wound up having a affair with his best friend's wife, which ended up crashing both marriages and with him moved back to the state he grew up in, and took his (new) wife with him.
All of us who were standing nearby got some of that on us. The explosion was sudden and messy.
Since then, couples that fight at the drop of a hat and in public get a lot more distance from me. I think that that communication style is indicative of structural problems in the relationship.
Lamont Cranston at March 6, 2014 8:04 AM
I thought I was going to read a harangue against introversion when I got through the first sentence of Pirate Jo's post. But -- the news is good -- that wasn't the case at all.
Like Jo, I can only handle even cool people for brief periods. Excitable people drain me in no time flat.
While the introverts on this board, including myself, seem to be extreme cases, we should remember that introversion/extroversion are but the two extremes. Most people exist somewhere in the middle. Like human sexuality, it's a spectrum, not a one or the other.
Although when it comes to both sexuality and introversion, I'm an extreme case.
Patrick at March 8, 2014 12:22 PM
bang the wife. Don't tell the husband, as she will in due course. At which point, they will divorce, move out and you will be living in peace and quiet.
Paul A'Barge at March 10, 2014 2:24 PM
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