The Grating Outdoors
This great girl I've been dating just invited me on a camping trip. Frankly, there is nothing I would like to do less. I hate camping, and I won't know anyone but her. The trip is three days with 20 of her friends, including her ex-boyfriend, so I worry about asking her to go without me, especially since we aren't "official" yet. Can I skip this without it being a big deal, or is it a mistake to let her go when we're right at the monogamy "crossroads"?
--City Boy
The comforts of civilization abound. Even Walmart stocks a heated toilet seat -- complete with a handy-dandy nightlight in the bowl -- for a rather reasonable $119. Yet -- go figure -- there are all these people who think it would be super-cool to go out for a weekend and squat behind a bush.
In other words, I'm right there with you, City Boy. My idea of camping is waiting for our room to be ready in the lobby of a hotel with exposed wood. My favorite hiking safety tip? Avoid hiking. But I understand your problem. It's a bad idea to stay home when it means she'll be out there in nature with nothing to block the view of her ex-boyfriend. Unfortunately, you're being asked on not just a camping trip but a vetting trip (even if she hasn't put it that plainly to you or even herself). She'll be looking at how well you fit in with her friends (which will tell her something about how well you'll fit into her life) and, possibly, evaluating your camping prowess: whether you can start a fire with a single soggy match, put up a tent using only your teeth, and talk geopolitics with a raccoon.
But chances are, if she were some hardcore camper looking for the man to play Lewis to her Clark, she wouldn't even consider dating a guy whose idea of a nature hike is probably cutting across the lawn to get the mail. I shared this thought with a mentally ill friend of mine (translation: one who camps on purpose), and she agreed. She also added that "camping with 20 people is not camping; it's 'camping.' It's getting drunk beside your car, tripping over your tent stake, and passing out next to your sleeping bag. Even a city boy can do that once."
Let your girlfriend know that camping isn't your thing but that you're sure you'll have a great time with her over the weekend. This sets her up not to expect much more of this outdoorsy business from you while setting you up as a good sport who's willing to go out of his way to make her happy. If both you and your relationship survive the weekend, maybe you can show her a thing or two about the great indoors -- like how, of all the current wonders of nature, one of the most wonderful is how you can sit in your house drinking martinis while watching them on Discovery Channel. And don't forget my absolute favorite thing about nature -- the whoosh it makes as you're driving past it to get back to your hotel.








Yeah, you're going to want to go on that trip.
whistleDick at March 18, 2014 4:57 PM
I think there's something exciting and stimulating about being alone with your lover, out in the middle of nature. Soon the sounds and smells that bothered you become comforting. You feel raw. Earthy. Animalistic. Just give in to the passion. Roll around in the dirt. Let yourself go baby.
I say, f*ck somebody in nature today, if you get a chance.
I am not Tim at March 18, 2014 5:39 PM
Spot on as always Amy. LW will be kicking himself if he doesn't go. You're being invited for your trial membership/presentation for Club Girlfriend. You will be hard pressed to have this many of her friends in this relaxed an atmosphere again. Plus, maybe she just wants to share the fun with you.
Amy: Your "mentally ill" friend is right: once you get above 2 people on a camping trip, it's now become Spring Break with Smoky the Bear. I'm glad the weather is perking up because I've got a 6-man tent, a trunk full of gear and a stash of booze that are calling my name.
Tim: Come on along, we like how you think.
bellflower at March 18, 2014 6:36 PM
I can see arguments for going, and arguments for staying home, but the one thing I wouldn't worry about is the ex-boyfriend. In my experience, exes are ex for a reason. If all he has to do to get her back is be part of a crowd of 20 that she's in, you're doomed anyway.
Now, if there are going to be single guys there that she doesn't already know, that's something to worry about.
Rex Little at March 18, 2014 9:30 PM
It's funny how camping is such a cultural thing.
They were interviewing Toni Braxton the other day and she was talking about how for the first time in her life she was dating a white guy. She stood there for a moment thinking "Yeah he does that thing....you know that thing. I dont get it but he wants me to try it".
The interviewer was like "The thing?"
"Yeah out in the river. The thing. I can't think of the word."
"Oh camping"
Cracked me the hell up.
Ppen at March 18, 2014 10:30 PM
I second bellflower's assessment of the medium-to-large group camping experience. Those "camping lite" things are really the only kind of camping that I've done as an adult. Also, I fully intend to borrow the phrase "Spring Break with Smoky the Bear" for future use!
L. Beau Macaroni at March 19, 2014 2:37 AM
Have to admit I'm with the LW... my idea of roughing it is sitting out on the deck with a laptop and a blender for the margueritas.
Cousin Dave at March 19, 2014 8:36 AM
I'll go "camping" as long as the cabin has ac/heat, a kitchenette, and hot water. That counts, right?
ahw at March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
My pirate girl is hammering me for a camping trip to the Gold Country, elevation 5,000', and all we're waiting for is a 3-day weekend. I'm game-- I do something similar with my Civil War pards... sort of like "Homeless with guns."
My girl will agree, spending time in the Greatness of the Outdoors together is a real test of a relationship-- a test that another of her gal-pals failed miserably-- and SHE actually lives in the Gold Country!
As for LW-- he should demand this trip be an intimate one, not Spring-Break-with-Smoky.
jefe at March 19, 2014 12:15 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/03/the-grating-out.html#comment-4404312">comment from ahwThe last commercial I ever produced we shot at Zaca Lake in Los Olivos. They have cabins with jacuzzis. That's as campingy as I ever intend to get.
Amy Alkon
at March 19, 2014 12:18 PM
My idea of camping is waiting for our room to be ready in the lobby of a hotel with exposed wood.
A friend of mine says that his idea of camping is staying in a hotel with less than 3 stars.
Me? I love it. Plan for a week, bring enough food for three days, catch the rest, cook it over a campfire. It's exhilarating.
Jazzhands at March 19, 2014 1:23 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/03/the-grating-out.html#comment-4404544">comment from JazzhandsBring your photos to the bar of the hotel (after you've had four showers) and we'll buy you a drink in an actual glass.
Amy Alkon
at March 19, 2014 1:34 PM
Havent been camping in years. I would just take a couple pounds of butter and bacon to cook the fish in, plus the fishing pole
lujlp at March 19, 2014 3:52 PM
Well, with a family it helps to consider that the daily charge for a campsite at a state park is a lot less than even a two-star hotel. And it really gives your eight-year-old an ego boost when he can stroll over to the next campsite and show a bunch of sophomores on Spring Break how to set up a tent.
Lucy B at March 19, 2014 7:09 PM
Other reasons the LW should go:
He is being shown off to the ex, as yep I'm over you I'm with city boy.
I see it less likely she will hook up with ex, more likely doesn't want to be there alone while the ex might be there with someone new.
Joe J at March 20, 2014 6:49 AM
Yes, you're definitely being vetted. I'm sorry for you. Camping violates my rule on never sleeping in a place where the distance of an outlet for my curling iron exceeds the length of the cord.
Pinkie LeStrange at March 20, 2014 7:49 AM
Amy, you're a girl after my own heart. My idea of 'camping' is a hotel that doesn't provide room service. Yet, my husband loves camping so I go with him once a year... for two nights... and it includes cocktails at the lodge after any hike. I can do that much to make him happy.
cp_deb at March 20, 2014 8:46 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/03/the-grating-out.html#comment-4407609">comment from cp_debLove that, cp_deb!
Amy Alkon
at March 20, 2014 8:59 AM
Thank you Bellflower. :)
Hey guys/gals. Is it wrong that when Amy wrote...
"My idea of camping is waiting for our room to be ready in the lobby of a hotel with exposed wood."
.... and I saw the words "exposed wood" -- Interior Finishes were the farthest thing from my mind?
My God, a woman just uses a phrase that remotely resembles a penis and my mind goes to sex. Maybe my bitter, angry, heavy drinking grandmother was right. We (men) really are all perverts.
I am not Tim at March 20, 2014 10:08 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/03/the-grating-out.html#comment-4409920">comment from I am not TimI love that you think that way, I am not Tim.
I actually am usually the one to see the dirty in everything.
Amy Alkon
at March 20, 2014 11:06 PM
Now I want to get 20 friends together and go camping...AND I HATE CAMPING! :)
wallawallawanda at March 21, 2014 5:19 AM
Well, I love that you love it Amy. You perv. Heh.
Hey everyone, I heard WallaWallaWanda is having a camping orgy with 20 people!
I am not Tim at March 21, 2014 8:06 PM
A co-worker has a bunch of friends and they take a four-five camping trip every year down the Allegheny river.
It consists of about a half-day of canoeing down to an island. Then they set up the camp. Every canoe has at least two cases of beer, if not more, a bunch of food that is relatively stable for a bunch of days and tents and stuff.
The next couple of days is some fishing, drinking a bunch of beer, and BS'ing about how things are going. The last day is cleaning up and packing. another half day of canoeing and then getting back to their cars.
About the only thing camping about it is that they are sleeping in tents and cooking on a wood fire. No real hiking or anything else.
I'd like to go sometime, but I'm getting to be on the older side of the crowd.
So LW -- get the general agenda. It will probably be something like that and you can stand it for two-three days. Hell you might find that you even enjoy it.
Jim P. at March 22, 2014 11:07 AM
My favorite hiking safety tip? Avoid hiking.
HaHa...good one Amy!
For me, it's not essential that a woman like camping but it is essential that she like hiking. I just wouldn't be interested in a woman who had no interest in hiking in the Cascades and gazing in awe at the beauty and grandeur of the mountains. Fortunately, here in Seattle, it's very easy to find women who like hiking.
JD at March 22, 2014 2:16 PM
Amy and the other lovely ladies who dislike camping, let me ask a question. Forget about sleeping/eating/pooping outside. What about romantic interludes in nature?
Let's say I'm your partner. We are alone, in the middle of a beautiful natural setting. A park. A lake. The old woods behind your house. Surrounded by green grass, lush plants and huge trees. The sun is near setting and there's a warm glow on the horizon. A gentle wind is blowing and rustling the leaves. Smells of sweet flowers in bloom. Birds are softly singing. Crickets are chirping off in the distance. Sshhh... stop and listen... no cell phones or computers.... sshhhh.... just listen and hold my hand... no-one else is around... man and woman and nature... the thought of being naked, OUTSIDE, feels raw and unihibited and naughty... and...
Anything?
I am not Tim at March 23, 2014 1:09 AM
*uninhibited*
I am not Tim at March 23, 2014 1:13 AM
I forgot to mention -- in my little scenario -- If you absolutely refuse to get funky in nature, my dear, there's a log cabin nearby. Inside a handmade bed with tree limbs curved for a headboard and thick trunks as feet invites you to lay down and get comfortable. It's dressed with old fashioned quilts, pillows and lace trim. It's a perfect blend of hard and soft. Man and woman.
There's also wine there.
And the interior of the cabin... is all EXPOSED WOOD.
:P
I am not Tim at March 23, 2014 9:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibVMaddeCEQ
Hahahaaa.. I do believe I have swept myself off my feet. All these years, I finally figured out what I'm looking for. ME.
I am not Tim at March 23, 2014 11:37 AM
Not Tim, this is YOU!
http://youtu.be/GVyDovLA2vw
kamwick at March 23, 2014 9:25 PM
LOL awesome. I had to switch to my PC so I could use the surround system and crank it up.
Thank you kamwick.
I am not Tim at March 24, 2014 9:00 AM
Watched it 3 times. It's my new favorite video.
Sorta reminds me when I first saw/heard "Show me your genitals" by Jon Lajoie. It was more offensive and wrong on every level, but hilarious to the point of being an instant classic.
Good stuff.
I am not Tim at March 24, 2014 9:19 AM
Warning: Lyrics in this song are NOT safe for work. Check your volume level. ;)
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aZPmlLKbA8
Even after 5 years it's still funny.
No offense ladies. All in good humor.
I am not Tim at March 24, 2014 9:30 AM
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