Save The Wails
Are guys scared of politically active women? My boyfriend of two months just broke up with me over my support for animal rights, and I've generally had difficulty keeping boyfriends because of this. This boyfriend was bothered by two incidents. In the first, I got into an argument about zoos with one of his friends at a party. Another time, we were driving alongside a car with a pro-hunting bumper sticker, and I rolled down my window and shouted something to the driver. I'm trying to do good -- protect creatures without a voice. Does that mean I don't deserve a boyfriend?
--Yes, I Stand For Something
Men tend to like it when a woman screams passionately, but it's less sexy if what she's screaming is "McDonald's is murder!"
But, wait -- you're trying to do some good; don't you "deserve" a boyfriend? You, like the rest of us, deserve not to be run over by a truck. The Declaration of Independence also spells out that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" stuff we're all supposed to get. That's right; you have a right to chase happiness. It doesn't get delivered to your door. ("Sign here, please.") And the reality is, every requirement you have for a boyfriend and every, well, nonstandard practice you have (like Wicca, being a serious Civil War re-enactor, or a hobby of throwing fake blood on people in fur) narrows your options. The size of a person's dating pool is determined by their level of hotitude factored with how hard they are to be around. (An annoying 9 might still have many romantic opportunities, though with limited staying power.)
And just a guess, but for at least some of these guys who dumped you, maybe the problem wasn't so much your support of animal rights as it was your lack of boundaries in expressing it. Even a guy who's with you in principle on sticking up for Bambi and the lab rats might not be comfortable with your transforming every social gathering into an animal rights protest rally. Also, consider that there's a difference between speaking your mind and yelling it out the window at someone who has announced in writing on their vehicle that they are likely armed.
In other words, you can refuse to ever bend your principles, or you can have a man in your life. This isn't to say you have to start wearing snow leopard legwarmers and eating baby seal McNuggets; you probably just need to divide the world into political and social forums. Social forums would be reserved for pleasant cocktail party conversation -- even if a guy is gnawing meat off a skewer and you long more than anything to stick him in the eye with it and say, "See how you like it!"
When you start dating somebody new, ask him what his comfort zone is regarding your activism, and either respect the boundaries he needs or be honest if you can't or won't. If you come to see a relationship as a party of two, each of whose needs matter, there's a good chance you'll find a guy who'll at least be there to bail you out of jail -- maybe for years to come -- until you two finally retire to the country to run a lentil rescue. (Some say they scream when you drop 'em in boiling water.)
Here is the obvious question I would ask LW: "Why aren't you dating other animal rights activists?"
I assume Amy asked her this question and there's a reasonable answer that didn't appear here, but that just seems like a no-brainer.
Fayd at April 8, 2014 4:18 PM
I agree with Amy. It's clearly not the beliefs, rather it's the way they're expressed.
If I was with a woman who was yelling things out of my car window, that'd definitely be a deal breaker. Nothing like hanging out with a woman who might just try to get you into a fist fight.
Also, I noticed that it was an "argument" about zoos. Jesus, really? I'm not an animal rights guy at all. In fact, I really like to go to bullfights. However, I too don't like zoos. To me, there is nothing exiting about seeing an animal in a cage and it's just depressing. Particularly when the thing is pacing back and forth in his very small cage. If it comes up at a cocktail party, I don't have any problem expressing this view. However, I'm not going to have an argument about it. What good are you doing by having these confrontations anyway? You're not going to convince anybody at all to your point of view that way.
It's not that you're politically active. It's that you're rude.
whistleDick at April 8, 2014 5:36 PM
>> Are guys scared of politically active women?
No but we are scared of unhinged women who start fights with strangers that we'll have to end.
milo at April 8, 2014 6:31 PM
That's some damn good advice, Amy.
Canvasback at April 8, 2014 6:52 PM
Here is the obvious question I would ask LW: "Why aren't you dating other animal rights activists?"
That was my first thought as well. It's also possible that she HAS been dating animal rights activists, but they exercise more discretion in social situations and are made uncomfortable by her behavior.
Also, LW: Getting into public, party-disrupting arguments with people won't win them over to your side. They'll just assume all members of your cause are crazy.
sofar at April 8, 2014 8:11 PM
Yeah. I imagine that since animal rights are so important to her, that she's dating guys who are also interested in animal rights.
But imagine a woman writing in about her boyfriend who's been picking fights with her friends and yelling at passing motorists about animal rights. It would be a huge red flag.
LW dial it back a bit and learn to persuade people without getting in their face and attacking them.
milo at April 8, 2014 9:45 PM
I'm considered an "animal rights activist" by friends, coworkers and family, but I think I'm very low key about it. It makes so many meat eaters uncomfortable sometimes simply being in the presence of a non-meat eater, there's no need to get in arguments about it. Simply gently stating one's personal view and calmly listening to others' is enough to perhaps present someone with the idea that there's another way to look at things. No need to "should" on anyone else. Doing the cause harm by being obnoxious.
Then there's the opposite situation. Simply stating, " well, I don't eat meat" sometimes opens the door to lectures about protein, overly eager protests that " well, I can't get enough protein without chicken", or, in the case of family, some rather sharp-edged "joking", ad nauseam.
The point is, don't be either of these people.
kamwick at April 8, 2014 10:36 PM
Look I am not a racist or a homophobe but people often tell me their racist homophobic beliefs ( I hang out with a lot of Eastern Europeans).
I don't yell at them, or am aggresively defensive with them. I just live my life, hold my beliefs pretty firm and it seems in some cases it changes their views on things.
I'm sympathetic to animal rights activists but the approach is totally wrong. People are not ever going to stop eating meat. The goal should be to pump more Temple Grandins into this world-people who understand animals on their level.
What did Cesar Milan say? That American dogs are so neurotic because we treat them like humans.
People will not stop eating meat, or having sex, or whatever else you find abhorrent behaviour. Your goal should be to make the process better, otherwise you might drive the meat industry to more secrecy because you are making killing food shameful.
I personally don't find meat bad-but dairy I find an abomination. I think it's kinda cruel too.
Ppen at April 9, 2014 12:06 AM
Perhaps LW could start dating an an aggressively evangelical religious guy, or somebody who has a life-sized cardboard cutout of Ayn Rand in his bedroom, and wants to argue about Objectivism with everyone he meets. Then maybe she'd see the issue from another angle.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at April 9, 2014 4:00 AM
"Hi, I scream obscenities at strangers out my car window when they have a bumper sticker I disagree with, but I just can't seem to keep a man around. Is this because men don't like proud, independent womyn??"
#modernfeminism
Chris Rhodes at April 9, 2014 5:28 AM
A fight is not the worst possible outcome from an unprovoked confrontation. Manners were invented for a reason. LW is going to discover this the hard way.
MarkD at April 9, 2014 6:23 AM
"Why aren't you dating other animal rights activists?"
My guess, a high % are women.
I really have to question the tactics of Animal rights groups, has dumping paint on people or shouting at pickup trucks gotten anyone to ever change their mind. Sure it increases your smugness a lot. Changed minds? no
There is also the idea others touched on, the world treats men and women differently. She is provoking reactions, but is somewhat protected by her gender from reactions, her bf wouldn't be. She shouts the wrong thing to the wrong person, and he will be in a fist fight, or worse.
Joe J at April 9, 2014 7:17 AM
LOL at "there's a difference between speaking your mind and yelling it out the window at someone who has announced in writing on their vehicle that they are likely armed." Good one, Amy!
cp_deb at April 9, 2014 8:37 AM
"Another time, we were driving alongside a car with a pro-hunting bumper sticker, and I rolled down my window and shouted something to the driver." Yeah not big on dating women that starts fights with armed people. That's not about animal rights or welfare it's about being smug and stupid.
Also as I feel to point out that a hunter is guilty of causing far less suffering than ms prissy vegan (I'm assuming) princess. Organic and pesticide free does not mean blood/suffereing free by any stretch. Any planted field attracts animal. These animals need to be controlled or they eat the food. Pest control invariably means killing, especially when done on an industrial scale. Also harvesting your organic soy, corn and rice etc. requires heavy machines. Many a bunny has been gruesomely killed by those. Then you have the simple fact that organic farming simply can not feed the current population. Conventional farming of soy, corn, rice, etc. kill more animals than the meat industry. One deer feeds a family for weeks. Your soy cheese had been washed in the blood of hundreds. I support the sweeping reform of the meat industry for both human and animal welfare. But all you do is blatant attention seeking behavior like a damn 10 yo who's mom don't love them enough.
On and on a final note your are one of the communal __________ piece of ________ that tried to release Irene Peperberg's parrots into the freezing winter of Boston. So forget having a boyfriend you don't deserve to be pissed on if on fire.
vlad at April 9, 2014 8:38 AM
The only way you're doing any "good", LW, is reinforcing the need for people to be aware of lunatics such as yourself, and to stay the hell away from them. Good gods, if you ever yelled at me like that because of the "Gut deer?" bumpersticker on my car, BF would likely skewer you with an arrow. You don't have to use guns to harvest deer, you know.
Flynne at April 9, 2014 9:10 AM
I second all the statements that it's not that men are scared of politically active women/that's not the correct question here. I think most self-respecting people don't wish to be around those who are this pushy and arrogant about their beliefs. I'm sure if she kept her tofu-hole shut a little more, the guy(s) might stick around longer. She's not politically active in these stories; she's immature and rude and so on. This was me when I was 15 years old and a card-carrying PETA member; and you betcha, I learned the hard way that people don't appreciate being told how to eat/live/etc. I'd be interested to know LW's age.
Rachel Flax at April 9, 2014 10:22 AM
"Here is the obvious question I would ask LW: 'Why aren't you dating other animal rights activists?'"
Because she can't claim moral superiority over them. Every single word of the OP's letter screams "high-conflict borderline". She can't stop herself from screaming at random strangers because it's the water of her life -- she lives for nothing else. Conflict gets her off. And what fun is it to have a boyfriend when you can't shame him in public? Geez. This is the sort of women that guys who write to Dr. T are trying to get away from.
Cousin Dave at April 9, 2014 10:32 AM
Or, she could just really love animals and have a problem controlling her emotions.
I think some of you guys are looking for something deep when there's not necessarily any reason to.
Stop over-thinking.
Damn it I was going to say something but now I forgot after reading everyone else's posts. Lol.
Tim at April 9, 2014 11:09 AM
I appreciate the passion she has for animal life - however she definitely needs to exercise more self control, especially when confronting somebody out of the blue and basically ASKING for trouble.
You don't know what mentality of hunter you are dealing with. The so-called Sport/Trophy hunters for example. If they have no respect for helpless, defenseless animals... what makes you think they are going to think twice about shooting you when you intentionally get in their face?
Common sense says these are not the people to fuck with. At least not without a plan, and plenty of backup. ;)
Tim at April 9, 2014 11:13 AM
This LW is a real winner. I have some strongly held beliefs too but somehow I manage not to come off like a total nut bar (most of the time). I'm a breastfeeding and natural childbirth advocate, but I don't just run around breaking epidural equipment and slapping breast pumps on random women at the mall. I'm also a proponent of less driving (for those who can reasonably do so) but I don't take to the streets with a butcher knife and cricket bat to disable somebody's station wagon. To do these sorts of things would make me appear, at best, mentally unstable.
However LW you are doing the verbal equivalent of just that. Stop it.
Men aren't scared of political activism, their afraid that they're going to come out and find an Andrea Dworkin/PETA variety show on their front yard if they ever dare to mention furry handcuffs to someone like you.
P.S. I'd love for her to scream about my hunting. I can scream much louder about why she doesn't sew her own clothes or spin her own yarn to help reduce demand for sweatshop clothing. ;)
bellflower at April 9, 2014 1:28 PM
Geez, I don't know why she has trouble keeping men. Every man *I* know is just desperate to date an aggressive, self-righteous harridan.
If there were any justice in the world, one day she'd mouth off to a man who has no problem hitting a woman.
As far as LW dating a fellow animal rights type, she probably can't stand the pushover beta male types who are attracted to that strange way of thinking.
MikeInRealLife at April 9, 2014 2:32 PM
"have a problem controlling her emotions" = borderline personality disorder. If you think back to the flakiest, shrillest, most short-tempered and most unpleasant people you've ever met in your life, they were probably borderlines. And borderlines always have a gazillion excuses for why they should be allowed to act out however they want and anyone who objects is an oppressor.
Cousin Dave at April 9, 2014 2:33 PM
"have a problem controlling her emotions" = borderline personality disorder.
Having trouble controlling your emotions is part of numerous personality disorders. It's also a feature of emotionally healthy people with specific blind spots. Some people are just assholes, not mentally ill. If the LW has BPD, she no doubt has troubles in multiple areas of her life, not just keeping boyfriends. It's entirely possible that she's just a pain in the ass. I bet she's young and full of righteous rage.
MonicaP at April 9, 2014 5:28 PM
Love this place. I thought for sure I was going to come back and find myself getting flamed. There's a couple topics I have never re-visited for that reason. I'm not scared of a little heat but life is too short. I'm not looking for trouble.
But instead I find Cousin Dave making his usual intelligent comment, though often on a different side of an issue than me, never rude or insulting. I respect and appreciate you CD.
And then MonicaP, replying with some of the same things I would have said.
Again, love this place.
Tim at April 9, 2014 6:28 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2014/04/save-the-wails-1.html#comment-4471723">comment from TimLove this place. I thought for sure I was going to come back and find myself getting flamed.
Aww...that comment doesn't reflect the arrogance of those who tend to get flamed.
Glad to have you back. And I love this place, too, thanks to those who comment here. That's what gets me blogging when it's midnight, I'm dead-tired, and I should have been in bed an hour and a half before.
Amy Alkon
at April 9, 2014 7:24 PM
So... how many meat-eaters have you converted by yelling at them out the window?
NicoleK at April 10, 2014 1:22 AM
Thanks, Tim. I come here for debate and I try to keep it level-headed and let the evidence guide me. I'll be the first to admit that I don't always succeed at that. But there have been times when I've come here to make a case, but found that someone else made a better case which changed my mind.
To me the LW's letter just absolutely screams "Cluster B". The bit about yelling out the car window at a stranger because she didn't like his bumper sticker -- that's not just a strongly-felt emotion. Healthy adults usually constrain their actions to some extent even in the presence of the strongest emotions. No, that behavior is the behavior of a spoiled 4-year-old. And I can guarantee you that if she's done that, she's done similar stunts, more than once.
I had the misfortune to be married to a Cluster B. Fortunately I got out of it after a year, without anything permanant happening. But afterwards I questioned my sanity, and I wondered for a long time what the hell happened. I had never heard of the Cluster B personality disorders and I had no idea that such a thing existed. It really wasn't until a few years ago, when I came across the now-deceased Narcissists Suck website that I started digging into the matter, and some understanding came to me.
There's debate about whether the Cluster B personality disorders should be termed "mental illness". It's not a disorder where the person is not in control of their faculties. (A counter-example would be schizophrenia, where the sufferer is reacting to wildly inaccurate sensory inputs.) Cluster B's are capable of controlling their behavior -- they simply choose not to in most circumstances. Therapy is notoriously unsuccessful for the Cluster B disorders becuase the patient usually don't believe there is anything wrong with them; in fact, they are likely to view themselves as intellectually and morally superior to the therapist and other people around them.
Cousin Dave at April 10, 2014 7:57 AM
I am an animal lover, demonstrated by the care I take of my dogs and I help around my blocks with dog issues. My one run-in with PETA left me cold & wary forever. I was working for a busy media production company and this PETA woman called me to meet about a project they had. so I go, that is my job, to give quotes with various project ideas. Spent over an hour with these twats, them spouting doctrine and anecdotes - finally I get up to leave and announce OK here are our rates, can do x for $x or better would be x for $xx. They look at me like I´m the nut - they had expected pro-bono. Because they heard I was nice to dogs. I had to explain that to my boss.
Not unusual behavior among fanatics, I learned my lesson well. Avoid fanatic cause people.
zapf at April 10, 2014 8:27 AM
I have some strong beliefs as well, but one thing that I have learned through many years of experience is that people's opinions will not change because you were able to successfully argue them out of their position, even if you aren't being a dick about it. Setting an example is the only thing that really influences others with differing viewpoints. In short, I've learned (the hard way) that you cannot reason a person out of a position they were never reasoned into in the first place. But that way of thinking requires maturity and restraint, both of which LW seems to be in short supply.
I've been an Advice Goddess fan for years, although I don't comment nearly as often as I used to. (I started reading Amy back when she was posting on Creators.com and then she moved to OCRegister.com -- how many years ago is that???) Turns out I love the other readers/commenters here ALMOST as much as I love Amy!
RRozsa at April 10, 2014 9:09 AM
I'd dump you. Not because you are an animal rights activist - I love my animals, all animals. A lot.
I'd dump you because you are one of those really annoying people who thinks that your way is the one right way and everyone else is wrong, wrong, wrong. Who the f are you to determine the path that everyone else should follow?
You have no respect for others that think differently than you, but I have no doubt you are the first to cry and whine when someone accidentally steps on your feelings.
An argument at a party? With your boyfriend's friend? Really? So dumped. I'm trying to imagine the humiliation boyfriend must have felt. You know you are that ex that his group of friends laugh about now, right?
My advice? Mellow out and treat people with a little respect. But please don't find a boyfriend as "passionate" (read incredibly rude and disrespectful)as you are and then breed and raise more little yous. Our world already has enough unpleasantness.
kjm at April 10, 2014 11:12 AM
Good grief.
I see posts that tacitly accuse the deer hunter of disrespect for life and a likelihood of violence when confronted by a yapping woman.
Nonsense.
The deer hunter knows more about life and death than you'll ever see in the aisles of Whole Foods, and his greatest urge will be to get away from a useless human being.
You might object to the "trophy" hunter - but even that guy keeps the meat.
Don't even start with the Bambi bit. "Bambi" is fiction, the buck only has one use for a doe, they do NOT form families of any kind, and however graceful and beautiful you find them, deer are basically rabbits with antlers.
You killed more wildlife requiring a house and highways than a hundred hunters.
Radwaste at April 11, 2014 4:18 AM
I agree, Rad. I'm not a hunter, but I am not opposed to the act so long as it isn't the wasteful kind where the animals are left to rot in the wild. Okay, there are arguments about the "waste" feeding wild animals, but I'm admittedly human-centric. That's why I think it is a grand thing that the food banks and soup kitchens in my area profit greatly from trophy hunters who bag that big buck, haul the hundreds of pounds of meat to a butcher, pay to have it cleaned, and then donate the meat to the local shelters. I *love* venison, but can't get it to save my life without spending big bucks at the grocer while the homeless get to nom on its juicy yumminess on a regular basis. *sigh* Life isn't fair.
Just because someone hunts doesn't mean they are homicidal killers who target anything with a heartbeat--animal or human. You would think that the animal-loving LW would keep in mind one of the most common animal-based proverbs: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. If she wants to change the world, she's failing on an epic level with that militant attitude.
Oh, yeah, and if she got in my face about it and I felt threatened, I would defend myself, physically if necessary. It doesn't take testicles to respond with a good backhand to the mouth and shut the rude twat up.
Evil Empryss at April 11, 2014 9:42 AM
I love animals, and am all for treating them humanely. I also love them broiled, grilled, sautéed, braised, etc. If one chooses to forego animal flesh, that is her business. If one wants to impose that on me, good luck, it's not happening, and she can hit the road.
Harbor no guilt, because if one must participate in the food chain, it is good to be at the top.
Jeff at April 11, 2014 10:04 AM
"Oh, yeah, and if she got in my face about it and I felt threatened, I would defend myself, physically if necessary. It doesn't take testicles to respond with a good backhand to the mouth and shut the rude twat up."
Which I think leads back to what Tim's point was, which is not tickling the dragon's tail. You don't need to make any assumptions about hunters to know that screaming threats at someone who is armed just might not be a good idea.
Cousin Dave at April 11, 2014 11:45 AM
Are guys scared of politically active women?
Politically active women, no.
Politically radioactive women, yes.
JD at April 11, 2014 1:36 PM
Cousin Dave, don't forget about the old geezer who shot the guy in the movie theater because he wouldn't stop texting. Yeah, you can't even assume that someone who who looks weak and *isn't* advertising gun advocacy is safe to shout at.
It's also funny that you used the term "dragon" after quoting me. My family warns people to leave the dragon in her cave when I'm ticked and need time to cool off. *grin*
Evil Empryss at April 11, 2014 1:56 PM
Man I really don't want to have this discussion but -- if you are going to defend hunters as if they are ALL wonderful, animal respecting people, you need to Get Real. I'm from Texas, born and raised. I have been around hunters and hunting all my life.
Nobody said they were all evil. But please, stop trying to pretend they are all good. Hunting for food, survival, population control... is one thing. Hunting for Fun, Thrills and Trophies is completely different. Please.
Tim at April 11, 2014 5:04 PM
When you stalk, hunt and kill a defenseless animal in the name of "thrills", "sport", "fun" or for a "trophy" -- you are a sick coward. Is that clear enough?
In case not, let me express my personal opinion about these people another way... If I was driving down the street and suddenly a rabbit jumped out from the left, and a Sport/Trophy hunter jumped out from the right, and I could only swerve one direction... the bunny rabbit would be happily hopping away safe.
Feel the love, hunters. Along with the tread of my tires.
Tim at April 11, 2014 5:13 PM
Friends, my apologies if my last 2 posts were not as respectful as they should be. Animal life happens to be my hot button. I will attempt to keep my emotions in check and my tires to myself. :)
Tim at April 11, 2014 5:24 PM
She can believe whatever she wants, but her attention-seeking insistence on shoving those beliefs down everyone's throats is simply rude.
Pinkie LeStrange at April 11, 2014 8:36 PM
It strikes me, as it usually does, that all the "animal rights" folks seem to forget that people are animals too.
I agree with the comments about her acting both immaturely, aggressively, and being controlling.
She just needs to have some fuel to stroke her ego with. Maybe she'd be better off taking that energy and, I dunno, volunteering for an animal rescue group or something. Then she could feel like she's doing good and actually believe it (my opinion, people who have to shout about all the good they are doing aren't actually doing good but are trying to convince themselves otherwise).
Shannon M. Howell at April 12, 2014 7:27 AM
people are animals too
True. And I especially like the ones who are tigresses.
JD at April 12, 2014 11:19 AM
She sounds like a thoroughly self-centered and unpleasant individual.
My answer to her question is: she doesn't deserve to have a boyfriend.
LauraGr at April 12, 2014 12:22 PM
Also, consider that there's a difference between speaking your mind and yelling it out the window at someone who has announced in writing on their vehicle that they are likely armed.
I was once confronted by an animal activist/gun control freak at a friend’s party once. She was your stereo-typical granola, tree-hugging, self-righteous, uber liberal vegan who took every opportunity to let people know where they stood with her. At this party, she’d already made it known how unhappy she was that there were meat dishes, berated the host for not using recycled bags and was upset that the wine wasn’t organic (though that didn’t stop her from drinking it). At some point, (I assume alcohol caused this) guns came up. She kept insisting that guns needed to be banned and anyone who owned one should be locked away in a because only crazy people owned one. She continued to answer every question I asked of her about the topic with words like “crazy” and “no one needs a gun” and in the next breathe about how the police are the only one who should have them but also complained about corruption on the regular. It was quite entertaining. I thoroughly enjoyed watching her become more unraveled with every statement. I think at some point during the argument, she started to realize that the more she went on, the more she was isolating herself because NO one was listening. She started backtracking…
I finally asked her “So, do you think I’m crazy?” She said “ No, I mean not you. I trust you.”
Now, at the time, I had a conceal to carry permit though I rarely ever took my gun with me anywhere. The guy I was dating (now my husband) listened to this “debate” with such glee because he knew that I was about to say something sarcastic and either get her going again, or shut her up. She also knew that I owned a gun though I think somehow before her tirade she forgot and then remembered again.
I said ,”So let me get this straight, you just picked a fight with me, and possibly every other responsible gun owner here, knowing that we are potentially armed? You really think that’s the way to spread your message?”
She said,” Well, you wouldn’t shoot me just because I have an opinion.”
Me: “No. Not for having an opinion. Luckily for you, we all know you are harmless, if not obnoxious, about your opinion and we are all pretty logical, even-tempered people who don’t go around shooting things just because they are annoying us. But at the rate you’re going with your mouth you’re going to find yourself insulting the wrong person one day.”
Her, “Well they would have proven me right then wouldn’t they?”
I said, “Yeah but you’d be too dead to brag about it wouldn’t you?”
Sabrina at April 14, 2014 5:56 AM
My point in telling my long slightly-off-topic story, is that those who shout the loudest about how good they are are usually the ones that actually have the least to feel good about. As Shannon said...
LW, get a rescue pet, volunteer at the shelter, eat lettuce for dinner and shut the hell up.
Shouting in peoples faces about how GOOD you are is the first way to turn them against you.
Sabrina at April 14, 2014 6:02 AM
Tim writes,
If they have no respect for helpless, defenseless animals... what makes you think they are going to think twice about shooting you when you intentionally get in their face?
Um - because the enjoyment of hunting as a hobby doesn't mean one wants to, enjoys, or is more likely to shoot people? This is one of the most abysmally ignorant comments I've seen here in a long time. Tim, this is not a flame. It's a simple statement of fact. I've been a hunter and firearm-owner, as well as a shooting sports coach and safety instructor, for years. There is no correlation between the hunting crowd and the type of people who would casually shoot you for getting in their face.
Try to avoid, in the future, conflating hunters with sociopaths and gangstas.
Grey Ghost at April 14, 2014 1:49 PM
The fact that she got in an argument with his friend and thought it was fine to verbally berate a person over a bumper sticker tells me that she believes she is morally superior.
This is a case of not that she is politically active, but rather she is rude and doesn't have the restraint that most rational people consider normal.
So skipping the whole vegan/animal rights argument it isn't the "political activism" but more of can you conduct yourself semi-rationally in public.
Jim P. at April 14, 2014 8:32 PM
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