TSA Abuses
Some shocking stuff over here -- including the photo -- over at Cogitamusblog, posted by Lisa Simeone.
A couple in the comments from The New York Times:
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Kathleen USA November 19th, 2010 8:11 am
I fly regularly for work. Last week, even though I had set off no alarms, a TSA agent made me unbutton my shirt exposing my bra and THEN frisked me under my shirt, focusing on my breasts. She also spent a lot of time "frisking" my genital area, again *under* my skirt, which exposed my underwear. It was humiliating. I debated canceling my trip home for Thanksgiving, I was so upset about it.I complained but was told since anything that falls under the umbrella of "security procedure" there is zero recourse. So why is the TSA so far above the law? There is nothing you can do if they do something incredibly abusive.
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Sam Florida November 19th, 2010 4:56 pm
. . . I knew what to expect on the pat down put was still bothered by it. My crotch area was well probed by the TSA agent, my breats were well probed, I had to lift my shirt up while the TSA agent shoved her fingers into my the wasteband of my pants, etc.
Wearing underwire shouldn't be probable cause.
There's perhaps some indication they're groping and scanning fewer people, but let's not get complacent or comfortable with this.







It seems a good marketing opportunity for a bra maker to make under"wires" with a stiff plastic which wouldn't set off a metal detector. And I can't imagine I'm the first person to posit this. Heck, if I were in the biz, I'd make an ad campaign around the product.
BlogDog at March 9, 2011 6:59 AM
It seems a good marketing opportunity for a bra maker to make under"wires" with a stiff plastic which wouldn't set off a metal detector.
They would be difficult to launder, and probably wouldn't support larger breasts, but I applaud your thinking. There has to be some technology that will make my boobs look good without providing probable cause to the thugs at the TSA.
Beth Cartwright at March 9, 2011 7:21 AM
Have you considered the possibility that these TSA agents are homosexuals who get off on being allowed to publicly fondle people with no possible penalty?
Would not be the first time that someone used a position of authority to hide their desire to commit sexual abuse.
brian at March 9, 2011 8:11 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if the TSA isn't starting to engage in some kind of divide-and-conquer tactic, by putting pax into "frisk" and "don't frisk" groups. They may figure that people who are put into the "don't frisk" group will stop complaining, and that will reduce the pressure enough that Congress will back off. Then, they can continue to assert their authority by frisking the selected group, while a person in the don't-frisk group won't raise too much of a fuss lest they get put into the frisk group.
My first flight since the new procedures began was a month ago. I was not frisked at all at my origination airport. At my return departure airport, I did get felt up, but the guy who did it was very careful: he put on fresh gloves, very politely asked my permission, and then when he felt up my thighs, he only made the slightest contact with my balls. I didn't have to take off my belt and he didn't make any effort to feel inside of my pants.
I was rather surprised at all this, considering the stories I've heard, but looking around I noticed that some people were getting more of a workout than I did. And guess what: of the ones I was able to observe getting the third degree, most of them were women. I don't know if this is the general trend, but I'm beginning to wonder.
Cousin Dave at March 9, 2011 8:37 AM
@Beth -
A return to whalebone?
I dunno. I just looked at the Wikipedia entry for underwire bras and saw that there are several reported instances of the underwire deflecting knives or bullets from the woman's heart. Maybe it's breast ... best! to leave well enough alone.
BlogDog at March 9, 2011 12:34 PM
They already DO make under"wire" bras with plastic under"wire".
Just sayin' at March 9, 2011 1:51 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/03/tsa-abuses.html#comment-1897154">comment from Just sayin'They already DO make under"wire" bras with plastic under"wire".
Unfortunately, those for women with real breasts, in quantity, are typically wired with the stuff they use for steel girders.
Amy Alkon
at March 9, 2011 2:41 PM
I flew from LAX to NY in January. In LA, the woman tried to pat me down and I just glared at her,and she sort of withdrew. The other TSA person asked me if "there was a problem" and I said "not yet". Flew Jet Blue back, no fondling.
I don't think they're perves, I think they're undereducated, rather dull people who think that a poly-cotton uniform means something.
KateC at March 9, 2011 4:49 PM
I think that the next time I have to fly -- I'll show up about three to four hours early.
I'll have my bag layered with tinfoil. I'll wear a Fourth Amendment t-shirt and make sure that I'm carrying enough medications and vitamins that the agents will have to hand search that they'll just look a me and say "fuck it".
Now what I really need is a camera/recorder that is permanently attached to my prescription glasses that they can't be separated. They would be hosed about me going through security and not "filming" it.
Jim P. at March 9, 2011 11:03 PM
Amy, thanks for the shout-out.
Everyone, a few things:
In 30 years, my underwire bras have never set off a metal detector. Doesn't mean it hasn't happened to other people, just means the metal detectors usually aren't that sensitively set. But doesn't matter anyway. This is a red herring.
Wire, plastic, whalebone, whatever, the point is that the TSA may grope you at whim. Thousands of people have attested that they've been singled out for gropefests even when they didn't set off the metal detector. Even after they went through the scanner. I keep trying to get this across to people. The TSA has absolute power. And what's that saying about absolute power?
Lisa Simeone at March 10, 2011 6:19 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2011/03/tsa-abuses.html#comment-1900050">comment from Lisa SimeoneThey told me they'd have to feel me up because I wore a long skirt through the metal detector. This was before the current TSA groping policy. I took a chance and pretended I didn't know any better and lifted my skirt and flashed the agent. (I was wearing underwear.) They told me not to do that again -- intimating that I could get arrested. But, no strangers employed by the government got to touch me simply because I don't wear old sweatpants to fly.
Amy Alkon
at March 10, 2011 6:32 AM
Until I stopped flying entirely, I used to dress well for my travels. Always a pretty dress. One, simply because I like to, and two, because in general you get better service, or help, should you ever need it, if you don't look like a slob.
Last time I got searched for insubordination -- refusing to go through the stripsearch scanner -- was in September 2010 at BWI. They deliberately made me wait -- and wait, and wait -- but this was before the gropefests had been initiated. At that point they were only "testing" them in Boston and Las Vegas (something I had written about repeatedly, warning people that they were coming nationwide).
Anyway, after being yelled at and made to wait, I was finally wanded and searched, even on my bare arms and bare feet, to within an inch of my life. But the TSA woman was respectful, in both word and demeanor. She was nothing like the woman who yelled at me and like so many other TSOs who've been reported all over the country. But I was simply lucky.
Lisa Simeone at March 10, 2011 6:54 AM
Pennsylvania seems to be latest state - now four (NH, NJ, Texas) - joining the TSA resistance movement, in attempting to help solve this problem via state legislatures:
http://pennsylvania.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2011/03/pennsylvania-legislature-joins-the-tsa-resistance-movement/
A person "… violates this section if he contacts another person’s genitals or breasts in the course of conducting a body search. A Federal, State or municipal government employee shall not be immune from prosecution under this subsection, even if the violation occurred while acting within the scope of employment…"
Encourage your local state politicians to get on board!
The widespread outcry and protest against these searches is, in my view, evidence of a broad lack of consent to be violated in this manner by the TSA.
Lobster at March 10, 2011 11:26 PM
Well, this picture should show you what's wrong.
That's an American, dropping his pants for wanting to travel on an airplane.
In case you don't have a clue - you should be disgusted.
Start.
Radwaste at March 11, 2011 2:57 AM
Radwaste, yep. That one, and these others. Take a look:
http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2011/02/life-in-the-usa-a-photo-album.html
Lisa Simeone at March 11, 2011 4:30 AM
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