I live in boob job central-Southern California.

I have seen and felt so many fake titis I think I have formed an accurate opinion on them. I don't like them on skinny white women. On white women with a bit of ass and thighs I like them because they tend to get a good size for their body. They feel good too, not as great as real full tits but good enough.

But after a tiny, ultra thin friend who usually has impeccable taste got D's the nickname bolt ons is quite accurate. They look like two beach balls taped to her chest. Though she is conservative and covers them up. But my god I don't get it. Big tits go hand in hand with a nice plump ass (and she is the type of white girl who has a washboard ass and complains it's big)

So what's the appeal? I don't get it. It's common for Hispanics to get fake tits if they have the money but the most important thing is for them to be proportional to your ass.

This is a upper middle class white woman thing that confuses the hell out of me. I don't see white guys super into the bolt ons either so I don't get it.

Oh and I like plastic surgery but people go into debt over it and go overboard. It should be subtle-like getting B boobs or shaving the nose just a little bit.

If you want lip injections don't go for Angelina Jolie lips. Yes they are quite stunning....on her. On you it will look like a puckered up asshole.

PPen -- I can always count on you to be real -- and hilarious.

There's a fourth category that is missing from the article. I may be the most liberal regular commenter on here, and I can't stand elective plastic surgery. It's not for any of the three reasons mentioned. It's because it looks ridiculous.

Bill Burr, the very funny comedian, has a bit on plastic surgery and argues that they simply haven't yet perfected it. He asks, "would you rather look like a fifty year old woman, or a 27 year old lizard?"

I can't be accused of being supportive of tattoos and all that other stuff either. That's for the same reason. It simply looks ridiculous. More than that, it speaks to the judgement of the tattooed person. I would never hire someone who had a visible tattoo. To me, every tattoo might as well read, "don't hire me." Young people don't understand this. They think it's a silly notion. Guess what generation is doing the hiring? Mine. Yet, they get the tattoos anyway. Again, it speaks to judgement.

I don't really like the term "fake" .. I think all breasts are "real". Some are "augmented", some are natural, but they're all very, very real. (Actually I think the term "natural" is misleading too. E.g. technically we'd say this woman's breasts are "natural": http://freedcomedy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/fat.png .... but the way she probably eats, our modern processed junk food culture is anything but "natural".)

My son is teaching English in Chengdu, Sichuan, China. We correspond via fb.

He was recently angsting over the cultural imperialism implicit in the great popularity of Caucasoidification, totes a word, plastic surgery.

Same as it ever was: Big Men in Upandcomingia want to fuck the Enemy's women, women want Big Men, the rest follows. In their milieu, the women seeking this are quite rational, and it's more a function of the historical moment than of anything We Did To Them.

I tried to highlight the irony of denying agency to the Other under the guise of protecting them. It's a long-term, stealth campaign to de-Zinnify the poor kid.

Here's the poster that got him rolling:
https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10402717_4298501117865_6900304665085411359_n.jpg

I remember reading a story a while back that directors had problems finding actresses in Hollywood that hadn't gotten themselves enhanced.

But I can handle pretty much any size because I'm looking for what's inside -- not on the outside.

How can you possibly read the posts at Being Liberal and expect that the members will be non-judgemental!

Amy Alkon did not start out with red hair. She aspired to a career in prop comedy.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carrot+Top+Michael+Jackson+ONE+Cirque+du+Soleil+eCz3-ETWC1Gl.jpg

whistleDick, there are some people who have had plastic surgery who look perfectly natural. I know a few of them. They just 1) don't discuss it and 2) don't do anything radical. Having a minor nip and tuck here and there to look a bit younger is a far cry from trying to have line-free skin at age 50.

I would love to be somewhat more blessed in the chest area -- the B/C cups I had when I was in breastfeeding mode were PERFECT. For once, clothing fit perfectly with no alterations! But I'm not willing to go through all of the issues related to breast implants to achieve that. However, I have informed the husband that once we're 100% sure I'm done using my body to grow new people, I'm having lipo et al in the area between my waist and knees. If I'm going to be lean and mean above the waist, I want my thighs to match.

As for my face, well....I tend to stay out of the sun and use sunscreen otherwise. And I don't smoke. I won't have a line-free face when I'm 50, but there's no way to pull that off without looking terrible. (However, if the family double chin starts popping up, to the surgeon I go, posthaste.)

Incidentally, I'm extremely judgmental, just not about plastic surgery. After I finish judging all of the people in my moms' group who have their kids on "alternative" vaccination schedules, I have very little energy left over for much else.

I have trouble explaining the willingness to go through with cosmetic surgery as anything besides a mental defect. It's elective surgery. I had surgery last year and I would never choose it for any condition that is not life-threatening.

>>Do you really think it's only liberals who are judgmental? Humans are. Many of us believe we are not -- while being very much so.

I agree with you. My point is that the author shouldn't be surprised that the people in Being Liberal are judgmental because the whole Being Liberal community is ostentatiously judgmental.

The foundation of his appeal to Liberals is that because they are non-judgmental on other private issues, they should be non-judgmental about cosmetic surgery. But everyone knows that Liberals are typically very judgmental about private issues and so his appeal is just flattery - or he's very naive.

FWIW I expect you'd get very similar responses about cosmetic surgery from a Conservative community, though they probably wouldn't try to pathologize the matter or claim that it enforces Lookism and all that.

But I do think that Liberals are significantly more judgmental, than moderates, Conservatives, and even people further to their Left (e.g. Socialists, Commies etc.. ).

Contemporary Liberals have developed an ornate orthodoxy of preferences, traits and beliefs that they will attack others for not upholding, whatever they may be at the moment. You don't tend to see Conservatives or Socialists trying to get people fired over their private beliefs, for example, but Liberals are notorious for this behavior its what they do for recreation.

Modern Liberalism is very far from Classical Liberalism (there's only a small overlap) - that might be where the confusion in expectations originates.

whistleDick: I may be the most liberal regular commenter on here, and I can't stand elective plastic surgery. It's not for any of the three reasons mentioned. It's because it looks ridiculous.

Do you mean liberal as in libertarian or liberal as in left/"progressive"?

I agree with you. I think it looks ridiculous too, but that's only when it's obvious (e.g. Joan Rivers or, especially, Michael Jackson.) I'm sure there are a lot of people who have had plastic surgery but you and I could never tell.

I love breasts on a woman as much as the next guy but fail to see the fascination so many guys seem to have with HUGE breasts.

I love breasts on a woman as much as the next guy but fail to see

... Then not as much as the next guy, obviously. :)

OK, how about as much as the guy standing next to the next guy?