I dream of a world where I am free to bludgeon retarded PC authoritarian assholes to death

God, how I long for a virulent global pandemic

Why would you want to kill such a rich source of humor, Luj? The Onion couldn't satirize these people better than they're doing themselves.

From Wikipedia:
(Michelle)Goldberg lives in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn, New York with her husband, Matthew Ipcar.
So she seems to have just an ordinary vagina herself, but becomes indignant on behalf of people she can't relate to. Sounds like a trouble causer to me.
DrJaneChi calls itself a "reproductive justice crusader". It must know what a vagina is by now. I would argue that without the vagina, there's no need for abortion funding or for reproductive justice crusaders.

If you "feel for Bruce Jenner," as you say, and regardless of whether you believe a person can truly change their gender, you should respect her right as an American citizen, to legally change her name if she desires. Her name is now Caitlyn, per U.S. law.

Can we say "slits"?

If you "feel for Bruce Jenner," as you say, and regardless of whether you believe a person can truly change their gender, you should respect her right as an American citizen, to legally change her name if she desires. Her name is now Caitlyn, per U.S. law.

Posted by: Patrick at June 7, 2015 5:42 AM

Like the rock star formerly known as Prince, Bruce can change anything he wants, except his actual gender since that has been determined at a genetic level.

When you can change your genes you can have true sex change, until then, it is all just hormone supplements and plastic surgery.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120

As I said, Isab, regardless of whether she can or can't change her gender, her name is a mere legality, and as an adult she can legally change it as she wishes. You, as a lawyer, should be able to respect that.

Anyway, if you want to get nitpicky about it, she was born WILLIAM Bruce Jenner.

I've thought of Bruce Jenner as Bruce Jenner for much of my life, and it came out that way in the post because of it.

I'm for calling people what they want to be called, but when you've been a famous guy named Bruce for much of your life, and you were Bruce when I watched you in the Diane Sawyer interview, then when I'm posting late at night, I might forget to refer to you as "Caitlyn." Also, maybe I'd refer to you as "Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner," so people right away know who I'm talking about. (Not everybody reads Vanity Fair and Twitter.)

The Hypersensitivity displayed by those who are not referred to by their *special snowflake little self chosen name* and their supporters, is a big part of what is wrong with the direction the whole *transgender rights movement* is taking us.

The whole concept lacks substance, so the form of address is so achingly important.....

How do you think I feel? Bruce Jenner was like my first crush!

Sorry, Patrick. It's hard when they start wearing pantyhose.

"Some people have this idea that human sexuality is binary - that you can only be male or female."

Short answer: Nope.

Also, maybe I'd refer to you as "Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner," so people right away know who I'm talking about. (Not everybody reads Vanity Fair and Twitter.)

Yes. When the news was breaking I was hearing it via the radio and they were just saying Caitlyn Jenner and I was like which one is that? Trying to ride the fame with her father in the news."

Call the vagina what you want (and I do have to say, "front hole" is kind of sexy-dirty)

The natural counterpart would be "front pole." Or, if you're a woman who dislikes men, you could can it an "affront pole."

Isab: Like the rock star formerly known as Prince,

You mean like the rock star formerly known as "formerly known as Prince." He's been back to Prince for quite some time.

I wasn't sure exactly when he changed back; Wikipedia says it was 2000 (On May 16, 2000, Prince ceased using the Love Symbol moniker and returned to using "Prince" again, after his publishing contract with Warner/Chappell expired. In a press conference, he stated that, after being freed from undesirable relationships associated with the name "Prince", he would formally revert to using his real name.)

Canvasback,

During Michelle Goldberg's career she has said many stupid things and many smart things, and more often than not I find them stupid, and I am certain she often says stupid things about people she cannot relate to (men aside from her husband and men who agree with her about feminism) but I think you are misinterpreting her reporting in the nation which was about feminisms toxic twitter wars.

http://www.thenation.com/article/178140/feminisms-toxic-twitter-wars?page=0,3

That was a pretty astute article. The sad part is that a year after detailing how feminists and social justice warriors eat their own Goldberg got back on track with yet another article about how feminists are harassed online without ever once even remarking on how perhaps she has discovered they troll and attack each other with such vigor that maybe they way they are attacked online is a reflection of how they behave in general to everyone.

I'm finding some amusement in middle-age, when I get to look at notions like all this PC Relativism {WE decide what words actually mean! Not YOU!} for that set of "WE" that certainly doesn't include an old norsk guy like me...
and I get to say "f*ck ALL you assholes..."

I kinda feel guilty for being amused at all the stupidity, when my children will actually have to deal with it.

I've also taken to thinking that all these strange women will look even better with burkhas on... when I'm especially uncharitable.
"For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”

Difference in gender etc, have always existed, but never needed to be codified.

And THAT is the most freedom. Placing definitions on every damn little thing, is the manifestation of control, and it's obvious that the only thing this set of people cares about is control.

What difference will it all make to decide just how to talk about someone's genitals when the enemy is at the gate? Ask the romans how that worked out.

I'm finding some amusement in middle-age, when I get to look at notions like all this PC Relativism {WE decide what words actually mean! Not YOU!} for that set of "WE" that certainly doesn't include an old norsk guy like me...
and I get to say "f*ck ALL you assholes..."

I kinda feel guilty for being amused at all the stupidity, when my children will actually have to deal with it.

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I used to feel the same way, but things are moving so quickly now, I'm afraid that we'll all be afraid to say anything in a year or two.

Oh I am SO very, very torn! I bask in the idea of the dream world of Luj. However, Rex is right. Where, oh where, would we find material as hilarious as the things that come out of the mouths of the Perpetually Offended and Outraged Brigade?

"On July 15, Bruce Jenner will be awarded the Arthur Ashe Courage Award at the ESPY event in Los Angeles for his recent announcement that he is transgendered and will be living life as Caitlyn Jenner. "

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/06/04/espn-viewers-outraged-that-lauren-hill-didnt-receive-espy-courage-award/

I'm sorry but his challenge/change is just not that special. It is to him/her obviously but on a national scale of courage - no f%$# way.

Since all this various re-gendering started, the one that amused me the most is "genderfluid".

I thought that was the stuff that made the wet spot. . . (grin)

Why should the Arthur Ashe award go to this person - considering that so many hundreds, if not thousands, have already had similar procedures done?

It is because nobody can get Monica alone with the current President, and the public needs a distraction?

He's still a man. He still has his junk. Plain and simple. He hasn't had gender reassignment surgery where some Male-to-Female and vice versa have gone the whole way and have had their genitalia changed to match his/her sexual identity and its procedure has been even improving for the past 25 years. Being a lesbian with a dick = man.

“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

Frankly, I love this PC crap.

Because at some point in the future, I'll declare myself to be a transgender lesbian woman of color and the rest of the Special Snowflake Brigade will have bumpkis to say about that.

"front hole"

Technically speaking, isn't it more like a "middle hole"?

I'm mildly amused. The leftists would mock an old-fashioned person who insisted that the word "vagina" should not have been used because it is not a word suitable for polite conversation. Yet, they are inventing new-fangled rationales for doing the exact same thing.

Jerry: "...they troll and attack each other with such vigor that maybe they way they are attacked online is a reflection of how they behave in general to everyone."

Good point.

Cousin Dave: "The leftists would mock an old-fashioned person who insisted that the word "vagina" should not have been used because it is not a word suitable for polite conversation. Yet, they are inventing new-fangled rationales for doing the exact same thing."

I think that politically correct leftists, liberals, progressives, feminists, whatever... don't have any internalized sense of right and wrong, good and evil, appropriate and inappropriate, correct and incorrect...

To them, whether something that is said is good or bad depends not on what is said, but on who says it.

This issue has reminded of one of the saddest examples of human nature...

I have corresponded with three people, all "religious" by their own description, who simply refuse to learn about this; they have apparently been taught that anything dealing with human sexuality is "icky". Of course, it doesn't slow them down a bit when it is time to make outrageous claims about Caitlyn Jenner.

There are some minds so completely closed that they can never see when they are manipulated. Comfort, not knowledge, is what these people seek.

Well, now you can add a fourth Radwaste. I don't know of have much interest in Jesus but I believe in god the father in the same sense you believe in grass. As for Jenner, I feel sorrow he had this trouble. But that is about it. He doesn't appear to be endangering anyone else. And he doesn't appear to be harming himself significantly more than he already was hurting. So . . . meh.

It's always nice when you can cherry pick your data points. But it often fails to give an accurate picture.

Brain dead neuroscientist Gina Rippon, quoted in the linked column: "You can’t pick up a brain and say ‘that’s a girl’s brain’ or ‘that’s a boy’s brain.’"

Sort of true, in the same way that you can't pick up a smartphone and say, "That's a girl's smartphone or that's a boy's smartphone." Superficially, a girl's smartphone may look identical to a boy's. But there's a difference in the apps. And the longer girls and boys use their smartphones, the greater the differences there will be. It's kind of like that with brains.

When you see what profound differences the male and female hormones humans are exposed to between conception and birth make on the physical body throughout life, it doesn't make sense to say that those same hormones have no effect whatsoever on the brain.

Consider this actress/singer, conceived with 46,XY chromosomes and male DNA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMLLVKqTv7I

Normal women have some effect from the small amounts of androgens in their bodies. But because of a submicroscopic anomaly, women like this one have no effect at all from their high, male levels of androgens. They are female, physically and mentally, from conception on, in spite of their male DNA.

Male-female... hormones make an awesome difference, physically and mentally.

In 1997 I caught a few seconds of a conversation between two coworkers:

A female nurse, about 30, attractive, well breasted and wearing a form fitting knit shirt with a low neck that seemed intended to emphasize her qualities...

And a male nurse, Patrick, early thirties, short, stocky guy with admirable self confidence.

Simone: I don't trust those guys. Why don't they look me in the eye when they talk to me?

Patrick: Because tits don't have eyes?

What I find most remarkable about this is that the supermarket tabloids had this story pegged decades ago. After Bruce got his first nosejob, and growing his hair longer, the tabloids claimed that Bruce was secretly turning himself into a woman.

Must have been very hurtful to him back then.

Chickens. We raise billion of them for food, so we run across the genetic and hormonal oddities in far greater numbers than many other species

here is an interesting blurb and a link to a more in depth article
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=76077.0

My point is studies have shown gender is imprinted on each and every individual cell

Its entirely within the realm of possibility that Bruce/Catlin's brain and hormonal systems has more female cells than male cells.

Its also possible (s)he is just extremely disturbed.

But, its not the government's or anyone else's responsibility to protect you from yourself, so I really dont care about her transition or struggle or peoples reactions to it aside from my own personal scientific curiosity.

I really wish more people would donate their bodies to science

I really wish more people would donate their bodies to science

Posted by: lujlp at June 8, 2015 2:56 PM

Cheaper than a funeral.

However, we are past the point where much can be learned from a dead body. Live bodies, and decoding the entire human genome will get us a lot farther.

But people who get sex change surgery, and not turning themselves into women or men, they are feminizing or masculanizing their physical appearance, and in most cases, with the full Monty, are losing their sexuality, and causing a bunch of long term Heath issues in order to maintain that appearance,

I hope you are all happy with your new Obamacare plan, because Medicaid, and Medicare, as I understand it, is now paying for this shit.

I don't know of have much interest in Jesus but I believe in god the father in the same sense you believe in grass.

I believe in grass. I also believe it should be legal.

While I have to interest in partaking I agree fully with you JD. Prohibition just doesn't work.