Tiny Little Authoritarians Licking Their Lips
Now, I understand that some public outings may cause a need for police or other rescue personnel to come out. Not good.
But if you're not doing an activity that might lead to your drowning in the ocean or requiring search teams to come out and traverse the forest...well, providing you aren't standing a few feet away from somebody else, breathing on them, do you really need policing?
Never discount the ability for the tiny little authoritarians to discover their raison d'etre -- reason for breathing air and goosestepping the planet -- in a crisis.
In Colorado, Rob Low writes at KDVR that cops handcuffed a dad who'd been playing stickball in a park with his wife and daughter:
BRIGHTON, Colo. (KDVR) -- Matt Mooney feels Brighton police owe him a huge apology. The 33-year-old says he was handcuffed at Donelson Park in front of his 6-year-old daughter Sunday afternoon after police told him he violated the state's social distancing guidelines.Mooney told the FOX31 Problem Solvers he refused to provide his identification to three police officers because he was confident he wasn't doing anything unlawful by playing tee-ball with his wife and daughter at the park.
"She's like, 'Daddy, I don't want you to get arrested.' At this point I'm thinking, 'There's no way they're going to arrest me, this is insane.' I'm telling her, 'Don't worry, Daddy's not going to get arrested. I've done nothing wrong. Don't worry about it,' and then they arrest me."
Former Brighton City Councilman Kirby Wallin recorded much of the incident on his cellphone, where you can hear his voice narrate the scene.
"He's being taken by the Brighton police for playing softball with his daughter in an empty park," Wallin said.
In an interview with the Problem Solvers, Wallin said, "I find it hard to believe with all the things going on in our communities, the only way to resolve a situation like this was to handcuff a father in front of his daughter."
The sign at Donelson Park said "Closed" but in smaller print reads, "in groups of no more than 4 persons, parks remain open for walking, hiking, biking, running and similar activities."
Also, what occurred to Mooney occurred to me: Who's really violating "social distancing" guidelines? Authoritarian cops getting all up close and arrest-y with a citizen.
"During the contact, none of the officers had masks on, none of them had gloves on, and they're in my face handcuffing me, they're touching me," he said.Mooney said he was released after spending about 10 minutes in the back of a patrol car but said he still deserved an apology.








Is it me, or will a lot of power-grabbing people need to be fitted for hemp neckties after this crisis passes?
mpetrie98 at April 7, 2020 10:48 PM
This crisis will pass as soon as Martin Shkreli is released from prison and gives us the cure he's developing!
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at April 7, 2020 11:08 PM
Remember: you can decline to speak with the constabulary, or provide them ID. Only if it is a Terry Stop, they have probable cause or a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is about to be committed (stop and frisk) that you have to provide your name. Since you're not driving, you're not legally required to produce a drivers license.
Not sure how any of those apply. I would like to hear their boss explain the legal theory behind the detention of this *checks notes* heinous criminal.
Who's really violating "social distancing" guidelines?
Well, one gun blogger refers to them as Only Ones for a reason. The rules that apply to the rest of us don't to them.
And for the citizens ratting out their neighbors to the constabulary, remember to call them the Suburban Stasi. Conveniently, that can be abbreviated as SS.
I R A Darth Aggie at April 8, 2020 6:31 AM
Related: Don't tread on me.
https://twitter.com/TotalitarianHe2/status/1246791905238794240
I R A Darth Aggie at April 8, 2020 6:38 AM
Wonder if this would work on our current boogieman?
Radwaste at April 8, 2020 6:41 AM
Was it his tee ball equipment being used? Or were he and his family touching, and potentially contaminating, public amenities?
Hiking, biking, and running are solo activities and don't generally require the participant to touch public property.
Charlotte has closed public equipment - playgrounds, basketball courts, baseball fields, etc. - to avoid contaminating equipment that someone else might later touch.
Was his tee ball game obstructing a throughway, preventing others from getting around them with a safe distance between them?
If this was a family violation, why was his wife not also arrested?
He may have, in fact, been in violation of the state's social distancing guidelines. What concerns me here is that they're "guidelines" not "laws." How much force of law is invested in these "guidelines?"
Conan the Grammarian at April 8, 2020 7:57 AM
I'm really quite worried about bouncing back from this, civil-liberties wise.
Conan, I'm guessing because he refused to show ID and told his daughter he wouldn't be arrested, which they saw as offensive somehow.
NicoleK at April 8, 2020 8:02 AM
I'm really quite worried about bouncing back from this, civil-liberties wise.
We're not. Not easily. I'm afraid it will require hemp neckties or some sort of national divorce to allow those who wish to remain free may do so.
which they saw as offensive somehow
They should have called a waaaambulance. They think because they have a badge and a gun, they can do whatever it is they like. Fortunately for them, he merely wants an apology, not a 5 figure settlement.
I R A Darth Aggie at April 8, 2020 8:48 AM
I need to exercise and hiking is my only option left. The state park are closed, national forests are closed and the local university has closed its forest. The city parks are open but the trails are short.
So I am going on illegal hikes. That's a phrase I never thought I would say.
Curtis at April 8, 2020 9:20 AM
Pretty appalling.
Of course, on the positive side, at least they didn't put him in a chokehold and kill him.
JD at April 8, 2020 9:49 AM
Viva la revolution, Curtis!
Ben at April 8, 2020 9:54 AM
Very few people know that Che Guevara's real name
was Curtis Jablonsky.
JD at April 8, 2020 10:32 AM
Viva la revolution
That's among the first steps on the road to insurrection: purposely disobeying dumb ass laws because they're dumb. Eroding respect of the law rarely works out.
That said, the national forest nearest to me isn't closed. Certain popular locations are closed to keep crowds from forming, but I'm pretty sure you can just saunter on in.
I R A Darth Aggie at April 8, 2020 12:03 PM
Radwaste: Wonder if this would work on our current boogieman?
Something similar is being tried. They use antibodies from plasma donated by people who've already had COVID-19 to treat people who are seriously ill with it. The same method has been used for decades to treat other diseases, e.g. hepatitis. As with hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin/zinc the specific treatment hasn't been "scientifically proven" to be effective, just anecdotal evidence. But as long as it works why wait until scientists get around to proving it?
If you've had COVID-19, confirmed by a test; it's been at least 14 days since your last symptoms; and you've had a test to show that you no longer have it, the Red Cross would like to get in touch with you. Here's a link:
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/dlp/plasma-donations-from-recovered-covid-19-patients.html
Ken R at April 8, 2020 1:47 PM
Using antibodies from convalescent plasma to treat COVID-19 patients, a concept that's been in use with other diseases since the 1890's.
A promising COVID-19 treatment gets fast-tracked
https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/08/arturo-casadevall-blood-sera-profile/
Ken R at April 8, 2020 1:59 PM
Can this sheriff cite the law that sets forth this punishment? Many states in the south have anti-mask (aka, anti-klan) laws that forbid the wearing of masks in public. How would the those states authorize the wearing of masks for this situation?
https://pjmedia.com/trending/california-sheriff-insists-this-is-not-a-police-state-after-vowing-to-arrest-people-without-masks/
I R A Darth Aggie at April 8, 2020 2:10 PM
NicoleK: "Conan, I'm guessing because he refused to show ID and told his daughter he wouldn't be arrested, which they saw as offensive somehow."
I'd guess that they more likely saw it as a challenge!
Never challenge someone with even a little authority - they will want to prove they have more authority.
charles at April 8, 2020 4:43 PM
CO's been seeing a lot of overreach. The state government's public directive can be read to prohibit even walking outside if not to one of a few 'essential' activities. https://covid19.colorado.gov/stay-home-except-essential-needs
some municipalities have gone further, even criminalizing entry into their jurisdiction by people who aren't permanent residents.
Stay-at-home policies have been defined ad-hoc and aren't well understood from a legal or social perspective. A lot of them appear to have been adapted from quarantine protocols. That's why they start from the requirement that all activities are prohibited unless specifically allowed.
What's worrying is that a lot of people in government and healthcare are proposing that these policies should be in place for over a year (e.g. 18 mos ) and even be established as default and only specifically relieved by formal exceptions.
maura at April 8, 2020 5:24 PM
Why should we think little Hitlers are restricted to HOA?
Richard Aubrey at April 8, 2020 6:47 PM
"He may have, in fact, been in violation of the state's social distancing guidelines."
More likely he was guilty of contempt of cop.
Sister in law is a psychologist married to a police officer, who happens to be one of the most easy going, non-authoritarian people I know. She has cited several studies indicating that 50% of police job candidates are drawn to law enforcement entirely because they get off on the power differential, and that most of the psychological screening designed to weed out these candidates is of dubious value..
bw1 at April 11, 2020 5:41 PM
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